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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 10 Mar 2010 : 22:54:41
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Many people gossip that chances are Mr President His Excess lengthy names Jammeh could be a drug dealer. Recent crack down on pupported drug dealers is blamed on the situation that they have been enjoying it with Chief and he now backs off to dirty them.
Is Mr president clean enough on issue of drugs and dirty money matters? A curious population is keenly concerned?
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 23:03:06
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Well, well, Kitabul Arerr,
There is overwhelming evidence to link Yaya Jammeh as a bloody drug dealer. Gambians have to disown this bandit for lot of good reasons. This is not politics. Our dear nation is drowning by the bandit hands of this cruel person. Yaya Jammeh knows that he is not fit for purpose. All the recent arrests and trumpet blowing is Yaya's game of deviating attention from his ugly misdeeds. He will never do good and will never, never change for any better. Let Gambians stop self denial. In real sense there is a situation of NO GOVERNMENT in Gambia. Anyone who doubts that needs to think again and the picture becomes clear. It will take far too long to resettle Gambia when this bandit is gone.
Gambia is seriously doomed with Yaya as things stand. Real bad state of affairs. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 02:00:18
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Oh this Kitabul dude do some search and google and get some links, blogs, discussion as an 'overwhelming evidence' linking Yaya as a bloody drug dealer. What evidence Karamba? I mean we are talking 'overwhelming evidence'.
I question opposition 'ability', 'fairness' and 'honesty' when opposing Jammeh. They have not demonstrated that they can do better then Jammeh. Jammeh is the product of Gambian society, just like the opposition or diaspora. It is unfair to link to him drug dealing business based on google search. If Jammeh is not a good leader, the election is coming. So, these diasporas and opposition work hard and win the election. If I was in Gambian, I would vote for Jammeh. I do not see any worthy/capable opposition as an alternative. Certainly, I would not support anyone to link him to drug dealing based on the google search.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 02:43:21
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Not to let you escape with error, may I beg to rectify your view that exposing truth about wrongs, amounts to being "Gambian Opposition." Is this some new logical formulation of yours good Turk? From what I understand, you seem to confuse the expression of free and fair views as meaning opposition. I am no opposition in your context. I am a concerned person. I stand by every dot of expression you read from me. Criminality is bad. But worse still is the self denial by those insensitive to people being harmed by criminal. Unfortunately, you are quite close to that from what you have demonstrated on this occasion.
One task for you Turk. Can you disprove all that is forwarded by Kitabul Arerr? Is he the author of any of the links? Your responsibility is not to qualify how more or less overwhelming the evidence is. I will trade for the most minute form of any evidence linking Yaya Jammeh to killings and peddling of dirty money in any nature. These links have been around for quite long and not one person from Yaya Jammeh's ring sought to challenge a bit of it. You are doing that job.
Now Turk, if you KNOW all that is written as untrue, prove it with evidence then. Failing to do that makes great fun.
Are you sure or do you know that Yaya Jammeh does not kill, steal, trade in drug or swims in a pool of dirty money?
What do you know about Yaya and Hines or Viktor. Welcome Turk. You have an important role to perform. Don't just stop at oppostion this and that. Come up with iron hard proof of Yaya's innocence. That will help. Otherwise you may end up having to soil him more.
Remember, I have not stated even once what I would do if I have to become president of Gambia. My stance if you care knowing, is total condemnation of criminality by any person called any name or title against helpless persons.If Yaya Jammeh represents a category of people that harm others in the name or title of president, then he falls in the ranks. That does not mean he is THE target. He happens to be there and that's not my selection. Criminals can run but can't hide.
I will buy all the links from Kitabul Arerr about this matter until something better shows the contrary.
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Edited by - Karamba on 12 Mar 2010 03:54:39 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 17:42:49
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My formula is simple. Both leading government and opposition are products of Gambian Society. So, while one is from Gambia, and the other did not come from Sweden or Moon or Mars. The people get the government and the opposition they deserve.
I am not confused with the expression of free and fair view as meaning opposition. You are an opposition but you are so obsessed with ‘being opposition with Jammeh’, I think it became personal obsession. You lose your sense. It is not being critical about Jammeh, it became obsession. You said ‘there is an overwhelming evidence to link Yahya Jammeh as a bloody drug dealer’. This is not opposition. This is a dirty game, demonization and unfair to an individual. You are not criticizing Jammeh; you are accusing him to be ‘drug dealer’ without anything concrete. It is demonization. You can speculate. You can say, ‘it is suggested….’. No, you are sure he is a drug dealer based on blogs, forums and internet articles. You already judged him based on rumors.
Your expression is unfair in this case. You go beyond from being opposition, it is personal hate and you unfairly accused Jammeh based on some ‘google search’, blogs, discussion board and some other’s opinion. That is not politics. This is a dirty game.
And, you are getting hilarious asking me disapprove what Kitabul is forwarded. He is not author of links but he claims, and you claim, these links are ‘overwhelming evidence’ for Jammeh to be criminal. This is ridiculous. Mister, it is not me, it is your duty to prove that Jammeh is the criminal. And, seem like you did not get the basic principle of law. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.
It is my responsibility to qualify the so-called ‘overwhelming evidence’ I need to expose the unfairness and dirty politics like you demonstrated here very well. Politics should not be based on that. Come with the clean, honest opposition. Beat Jammeh with better alternatives with a fair game. Not with smear campaign.
When you qualify all the links from Kitabul about this matter as ‘overwhelming evidence’, and if this is the principle of your ‘law’ and standard of politics, I am even more and more convinced that Jammeh has no better alternatives.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 20:24:51
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Simple questions, simple answers, Turk Man.
Better we get the connections right otherwise risk drawing fallacious and hasty conclusions. Now focusing on the person of Yaya Jammeh and position of Gambian president. Principle dictates that all paid positions have fixed sums as remuneration. It is reasonable to expect that whoever sits as president of Gambia gets fixed pay for that role.
The person of Yaya Jammeh is the current occupant of that seat. His financial and material extravacancy is not compatible with someone living on paid job. It is therefore tempting to question where the excess funds are gotten from. Any other person would attract same type of doubt and be subjected to critical enquiry. Do you still call it hate for that person?
Turk you sound very insentive to plight of Gambians and expect people to refrain from asking genuine questions. You do not have any authority to block people with genuine concerns ask basic questions.
I don't know Yaya Jammeh by person but do know and care about Gambia, a country on this planet. Your type of queries are common and hold no fibre to defend rogues like Yaya Jammeh.
If you feel confident that the person of Yaya Jammeh is so clean, come up with proof of his innocence. "Science can never prove anything; it can only disprove things." Does that make sense at all?
I have no secret about my open challenge of bandits harming the nation of Gambia. There are very compelling reasons to believe that Yaya Jammeh is not getting all the extra money from what the job of Gambian president remunerates. Will you please deny that?
About "Google" search, what's wrong with that? Google is not the author of any materials in this case. Will you deny and defend what is written in all those linked materials?
I quote:
"Your expression is unfair in this case. You go beyond from being opposition, it is personal hate and you unfairly accused Jammeh based on some ‘google search’, blogs, discussion board and some other’s opinion. That is not politics. This is a dirty game." end of quote- Turk
So many names are listed on those materials. Wish there were others with muscles like you to defend each of the named persons.
Turk, please share your good knowledge of what is brought before us and stop bouncing on people for simple expression of frank opinion.
What exactly is your problem?
If you have facts to share, be generous enough for this is the best time. Is it news to you that Yaya Jammeh features in such distasteful image? Key in the name Yaya Jammeh using your best trusted search sources and see what comes on. Stand up to all that and then you are taken serious.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 21:08:26
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Karamba. You see, you don’t know what politic is. You confuse politics and law. You can provide critics for Jammeh, but you go further and you accuse him being ‘drug dealer’ without concrete evidence, not even concrete argument. Your tactic is ‘demonization’ and ‘dirty politics’. You may suggest/speculate within the rule of politics but he is innocent until proven guilty. You are NOT playing the game of politic with the fair rules. If you believe he is a ‘drug dealer’, you should start a legal process.
Your blame for corruption is within the society in Gambia or most other under developing country. I guess you have not been in Gambia for a long time. That is fundamental differences between your and my approach. We all know, your obsession with Jammeh, whatever goes wrong in Gambia should be blamed for Jammeh. To you problem is Mr. John, Sandy, Lamin, Ida. To me problem is within society. I think your approach is not effective approach if you want to solve problems in your country. The problem is structural. It is within society. It has economic, social, cultural base. Today Jammeh is gone, another person will come. Without solving the structural problems, there is no guarantee the new person is going to change everything. It may even get worse.
I am sensitive for Gambians. I found your approach for Gambia is wrong. But you are getting funny when you say ‘You do not have any authority to block people with genuine concerns and ask basic questions’. What are you saying? You don’t make any sense. Who claims I have authority? I express my opinion, is that ‘block’. Did I silence you? I provide a counter argument and exposes your unfair charge of Jammeh is being drug dealer’ and that is blocking you with authority. Don’t make this so much drama. I am just debating here.
Science can never prove….. does not make any sense to me in this debate. However, let me quote again with the capital letters what make sense to me. EVERYONE IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
So, stop the dirty politics and accuse someone without facts for such crime. If you want to oppose Jammeh. Here is what you do.
Go to Gambia, deal with the realities of Gambia and work hard instead of barking from another country while you are safe in your home. I guess it is very practical to make opposition this way. “power of keyboard’.
I deny anything that is not brought to the legal process in order to charge someone to be ‘drug dealer’. You see, you don’t get my point. I am not defending Jammeh here. I am raising standards of how you do the politics and applying basic principle of law.
In Albanian there is a saying. If you want to beat the wrestler, you should only beat him in the arena. If you want to beat Jammeh, there is a election coming. Go Gambia, work hard during election campaign. Be a candidate or support a candidate. But no dirty politics. Until then, Jammeh is the president of Gambia. Leader of the country. And until you prove he is a drug dealer, he is an innocent man.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 12 Mar 2010 21:13:01 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 21:22:01
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Turk,
To correct you once more, this thread begins as a question.
"Is our president in drug dealings?"
It is you who misconceive intent and purpose. Read carefully and properly. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 06:18:42
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There is overwhelming evidence to link Yaya Jammeh as a bloody drug dealer.
That is a smear campaign. I condemn. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 11:25:16
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Turk man, your right to condemn will be defended by last bit of energy but will not stop others dispising bandits like Yaya Jammeh. While you trumpet about in your bid to satisfy ego, Yaya knows what is at stake. There is complete history to all people and events. The very ugly histroy about how Yaya Jammeh came to where he is relates in terrible ways. He seized power!! He continues to steal, kill, and deceive people. If that is OK with you Turk, that is not OK with thousands of others. Had Yaya Jammeh not played the monkey behind my back yard, I would not bother about him. He is the monkey of Gambians, stealing our crops and sterving us. Then he turns around seeking to deceive us. No, no, Turk.
For whole 15 years, Yaya Jammeh has been put under serious vigilance. Now his true picture is clear. You may choose to paint different picture from reality. That is simply in your greater powers. But, hey, Turk, you can't throw dust in the eyes of all.
Will you explain what your stake is in this whole affair? Fighting for a rogue and criminal!! That is not the most decent thing to venture on.
Just to help you understand better, taking on the criminality of Yaya Jammeh is a perfectly chosen mission. Therefore you or thousand others like you will not stop me and others in our targeted crusade of exposing the bandit and thieves. Let the whole Gambia rally behind this bandit but not near me. This is my mission whether you like it or not. I am prepared to see people like you emerge. I am prepared for legal experts seeking frivilous alibi for deadly criminals. That a man is innocent until he is proven guilty, go and tell that to dummies.
I will never give up on this Yaya Jammeh affair until truth triumph. You call it hate or whatever. I knew such people like you would come up with remarks as that. But does it bother me? Of course not
Every hostile word you cast out, it does not get near me. I expect reaction from reactionaries and bigots alike. What more? Devils will never rule over decent humans and you expect quiet. All the noise is because something is wrong and people like you can't stand the heat of truth.
Welcome Turk. Let's go.
Is president of Gambia, Mr Yaya Jammeh in drug dealings? Yes or No. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 13 Mar 2010 13:24:58 |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 18:26:48
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Been absent for a while, but I can see that Karamba & turk's been slugging it out, civilly. That's the whole purpose for a Bantaba. free speech!
turk, I'm just replying to a question posed by Karamba: Is our President in Drug Dealings?
If scouring the Internet for answers is a crime, so be it.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 20:37:05
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Karamba
You asked to question. And you answered it as 'Yes'. My response was that I don't qualify the blogs, discussion, opinions as a result of your google search as overwhelming evidence, not even evidence. I don't know if he is in drug business or not. My response is to your biased judgement on him. You are biased and when you judge him, you found him guilty already based on ridicoulous ground.
Kitabul
I neither stop you from free speech, not I declare your internet search is crime. My response to based your google search, Karamba has came to conclusion that Jammeh is a drug dealer. This is not lawful, this is not ethical. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 22:26:32
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Turk,
One step back you will get to grips. Biased! That is still another value judgement. Still within the bounds of your extensive right of free expression.
All what can be added is that Yaya Jammeh has amply demonstrated his true self and whether my observation serves well or marked biased, Yaya is widely exposed to the world. I would be quite lucky to bear responsibility for all that is heaped on him. There are good reasons to trust so many of the sources on line.
Bloggers, Google, even Daily Observer (Gambia) hold so much on the person and manners of Yaya Jammeh. Gentle, Turk, I am not responsible for that my totality of biased could not have that impact.
Look at you still resisting and insisting!!
Yaya is the sole creator of whatever bad mouth biting his thick skin. Seriously Turk, open up a bit and exercise your full strength of un-biased.
I will still buy the Google links from Kitabul Arerr. You may not and that's the beauty of dieffernce. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Mar 2010 : 23:03:10
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Where is the UN REPORT for ALLEGATIONS; "A UN Security Council report dated November 30, 2005, lists Bout's Gambia New Millennium Air Company as having its address at the residence of Hines' client Jammeh: State House, Banjul, Gambia."
Courtesy of Kitabul Arerr google searches; read more allegations WHO SELLS THE WEAPONS OF WAR? under http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2009/11/who-sells-weapons-of-war.html
These are shocking ALLEGATIONS AND HARD EVIDENCES can surface if there is ENQUIRY, PROBITY & HIGH PROFILE INVESTIGATION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT
UNTIL THEN WE CAN CONSIDER THEM AS SPECULATIONS AND THE PRESIDENT SUSPICIOUS FROM EXTRAVAGANT LIFESTYLE ("JAMMEH'S MILLIONS") |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 03:37:03
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Kobo before you start spreading this unsubtantiated tripe and start spinning more illusions read the blog owners disclaimer ("aangirfan Disclaimer: the posting of stories, commentaries, reports, documents and links (embedded or otherwise) on this site does not in any way, shape or form, implied or otherwise, necessarily express or suggest endorsement or support of any of such posted material or parts therein.* Also in the interest of enquiry, probity and high profile investigation against the president at least have the backbone to reveal yourself for transparency because hiding behind a pseudnym slinging these accustions is cowardly and warped as the writer of this thread himself.
It never ceases to amaze me how much these advocates of freedom of expression and liberty contradict themselves week in and week out. words after all are cheap however when they're backed up with substance they are more worthy than diamonds.
What's up Karamba did Jammeh arrest your drug dealer? 
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