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kobo
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 Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 17:37:43
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Yes Toubab in simple terms; "Be a coward and be happy!" for own survival or personal benefit
Since topic started I have been following Janko's comments but haven't seen any serious discussions or comments to address tribalism or nepotism in Gambian politics. We can benefit from the Point newspaper editorial on Nationalism, patriotism under http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/nationalism-patriotism |
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Janko
Gambia
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turk
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Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 19:58:36
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| Marie Saine-Firdaus deserves lots of credit. Especially implementing Child Protection Act for Gambia. The only thing she may have had on her plate was to make Gambia part of La Hague Convention on Child Protection. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 20:01:11
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I don't quite agree with that,if you live in a country that has certain problems, then you abide by the way that you know things are done,if you do not, then its your problem when you suffer,assuming of course that you have the choice to follow another path that will not give you problems.
The Gambia will not join the world outside Africa until the people of Gambia think of themselves formost as Gambians and not members with a total commitment to one tribe.
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Originally posted by kobo
Yes Toubab in simple terms; "Be a coward and be happy!" for own survival or personal benefit
Since topic started I have been following Janko's comments but haven't seen any serious discussions or comments to address tribalism or nepotism in Gambian politics. We can benefit from the Point newspaper editorial on Nationalism, patriotism under http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/nationalism-patriotism
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Apr 2010 : 20:38:03
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If a monthly salary cannot uphold a family then surely all will fall apart.
A man who cannot fend for his family with his monthly salary cannot enforce the law or be innovative at work; hence his constant worry both at work and after would be how to put food on the table. How does that social reality affect the administration of justice, honesty and (patriotism)?
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 00:59:12
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What you write is totally true,with no prospect whatever of a monthly salary that will "uphold a family" in a satisfactory manner,there is no hope for the Gambian people at all,no jobs,no hope of a vast increase in available jobs,an astromical public debt burden,I think that H.E. and his advisors have hit on the solution "go back to the land" and feed yourselves be farmers,but as has been recognised MOST men sit around and chat, drink attaya whilst the women do the work,"attitudinal change" is the buzzword what is needed and is a strong factor in the Social Engineering that is taking place now with the current Empowerment of Women.
In other words it has been finally recognised that MOST Gambian men have no wish to change their habits,fine let the Women try now and be "Enpowered" I read somewhere that there is A Woman Police Chief in the Western Region,something that would be unthinkable a few years ago,and let us not forget that the Vice President is a WOMAN.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 04:03:50
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| After all Mr. Janko finally appreciate the idea of the hierarchical needs theory of Mr. Maslow. That is so true, without 'wealth', 'proper income' and basic needs satisfied it is very difficult to establish a governmental system and rule of law - democracy. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 12:19:32
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If you are wondering who Mr Maslow is (as written about in the posting by Turk above) here is a link:
http://www.abraham-maslow.com/m_motivation/Hierarchy_of_Needs.asp
There is a U Tube link as well. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 15:39:36
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Poverty is also a product of greed in situations where very selfish persons like Yaya Jammeh control the nation's limited wealth to call it his. That means rest of society stay as beggars. He enjoys that and will time to time come around with gifts of money and things from what is looted public wealth.
Such greedy people are poisons to keep.
On the evils of tribalism, these greedy people some times exploit the tribal sentiment while enjoying their selfish loot from the public including destitute members of their own tribe.
The best solution is to ensure even distribution of public wealth and to stop exploitation of masses in the name of development. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 15:52:13
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You have given your reasons for the problems as you see them,can you please give your views on what should be done in order to solve the problems as percieved by yourself in your posting.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 16:35:18
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One solution (there may be many) to this situation of selfish people taking a toll over whole society is to stop them (selfish people /person) going further. Society has to come to terms with the fact that poverty is not just a matter of bad luck and riches matter of good luck. People have to question and rise to challenge those exploiters. First to expose them and then to resist their dominance over public goods.
In the case of Gambia, the most trusted segments of society turned out the most unreliable and worst corruptible. For example Imams that people expect to address truth turn into sycophants and beggars. So also are those called community elders (whatever that means.)
In short, people have to refuse and resist injustice totally. Accumulation of private wealth while in public position amounts to exploitation. That ugly conduct deserves total rejection. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 17:25:39
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Thanks for that input Karamba,you have identified elders as being ONE segment of those that you hold responsible for "the problem" as elders (Old people who have gained experience of life through their age)have been in place as advisors and community leaders since time began in African culture,this is most certainly going to take a great deal of doing, it is not reasonable to expect elders to change their thinking in their remaining years.If that is the case how do you go about changing the younger people to make their own decisions without taking advice?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 21:22:51
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Toubab1020
Sorry to differ, but I don't share the good view that experience is gained through age only as implied by your clear post. Also, there is no sweeping classification of every elderly person in Gambia being deluded. Some good elders retain valued attachment to decency and will not beg tyrants for crumbs. Others, unfortunately have not. It depends on the side of this experience, knowledge, and wisdom divide that you biting on.
There still exists in Gambia, a whole pool of very decent persons elderly, illiteratre or literate, willing to share with whoever.
Overall, the failure by some members of society not fulfilling their bit does not mean younger generation can't pave through.
These reserve of people in society are just good when they are good. Otherwise, whatever. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 22:11:06
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OK I must admith that I generalised a bit in my post and I agree wholehartedly with what you have written,there are good people and bad people agreed, "the problem" still remains though where else can young Gambians get advice from if they want to form their own opinions in relation to the future of "their" country,must the old ways exist forever ?it must be extremly difficult for them only having limited access to the outside world being unable to travel outside Africa,Europe and America for instance must remain a dream,a well paid job must remain a dream,good wholesome varied foods must remain a dream,if you do not know any different, things will remain the same.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 01:52:47
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toubab
Touby
As you can see Karamba can't answer your critical question. He is stating the issue but he can't answer to 'How'? Because he does not understand the issue that the problem of Gambia is not Person A or Person B. His understanding is Jammeh is the issue. That is not right. The issue is socio-economic.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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