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toubab1020
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 Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 00:19:50
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OK 
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Originally posted by turk
Toubab. I don't understand you. It is only 10 minutes, you set up your oracle cluster. Yes, it is technical. I studied 6 years for nothing. No more posting on this, before Janko got upset for hijacking his or her topic.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 01:20:30
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Thanks, toubab1020, turk
Interesting, even whereas it proves the power of the keyboard in our everyday life, it is off topic as turk rightly mentioned; better to start a new topic.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 02:06:43
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Janko
Do you think lack of 'power of the keyboard' in Gambian Government obstacle for establishing democracy, i.e. getting budget data, statistics, auditing of transactions without computer. Seems like your slogan of 'power of keyboard' is not helping your theory. Actually, its lack of it is bigest reason for your idealism is failing in gambian realities. Most transactions in Gambia are still paper/pencil based. I mean you have a keyboard in your western life, but that is not the case for the government/political institutions you are provide critism. Further, what percentage of gambians reading your posts here?
To implement a e-government project that makes faster, reliable, auditable and reportable transactions is millions dollar project. Looking at the Gambian Government budget in the state house website, it is quite impossible to afford. Looks like your 'keyboard' theory have different impact than you are advocating.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 18 Jan 2010 02:13:39 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 01:24:50
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Thanks, turk
The discussion is about the opposition presenting its alternative budget proposition to the electorate if it wants to be taken seriously and to occupy their minds and time with something meaningful.
The power of the keyboard is not a requirement or a prerequisite for democracy; hence democracy was before the keyboard but it could be incorporated to make things easier. I see no contradiction in that.
You are overlooking the point where the "Keyboard" aspect came in the discussion. It is not about the lack or availability of it. Shaka did a very informative elaboration of the state of technical availability and some of the problems it creates for proper registration and data accuracy making it difficult to assess government intakes and expenditure.
My references to the keyboard in this topic is in response to the idea that Janko is making it very easy for himself hence he just sits at his keyboard and theorise about Gambian politics. My response is, the keyboard has become important in our everyday life and that if Janko uses it for other errands to Gambia then he can also sensitise the political discuss in Gambia with the help of the same keyboard.
I am not denying the fact that only a fraction of Gambians at home can read and write and even less have access to internet but the topic is dedicated to Mr. Politician. And I assume all Gambian politicians have access to internet.
Turk, upgrade that Diaspora mentality of yours hence the keyboard-era has changed the notion of distance, time and space we are transnationals now.
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Edited by - Janko on 19 Jan 2010 01:27:22 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 06:16:23
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Turk, upgrade that Diaspora mentality of yours hence the keyboard-era has changed the notion of distance, time and space we are transnationals now.
What is my diaspora mentality that I need to upgrade again? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 08:02:57
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My references to the keyboard in this topic is in response to the idea that Janko is making it very easy for himself hence he just sits at his keyboard and theorise about Gambian politics. My response is, the keyboard has become important in our everyday life and that if Janko uses it for other errands to Gambia then he can also sensitise the political discuss in Gambia with the help of the same keyboard.
I am not denying the fact that only a fraction of Gambians at home can read and write and even less have access to internet but the topic is dedicated to Mr. Politician. And I assume all Gambian politicians have access to internet.
I am not opposing the use of technology by janko at all. My reaction to your 'keyboard revolution' is that, Janko sentisize/fantasize political discussion but her or his ideas/debates are limited to very a few because of lack of technology in Gambia including politicians and government technocraths. The point is that, yes, you are right that technology making you effective/efficient but lack of it causing budget process to be ineffective. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 19 Jan 2010 : 12:48:44
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Turk, what has happened to you ?, you appear to have joined the real world  The practitioners of talks and blah blahs will be upset 
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 19 Jan 2010 12:51:31 |
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shaka
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 : 02:41:35
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| Janko, i think Turk is right. You have completely veered from the topic under discussion that it is becoming difficult to add substance to the discussion. I hope you are not in anyway insinuating that i don't see value in the internet and cyber activities in relation to the Gambia's political, social, economic development etc. My take is on the present political reality of the Gambia and not the effects of the 'keyboard revolution' in everyday life. The reality i am alluding to is that Janko and his like believe that they have the fix to the Gambian problem, yet they want to burden a 'clueless and empty rethorics Mr Politician' with the dirty work to make it a reality. When the project fails Janko sees it fitting to blame and abuse Mr Politician from the comfort of his sofa and keyboard. Isn't it time now for Janko and his pals to brush aside Mr Politician and face Jammeh and the Gambian people to show us how it is done? Besides if Mr Politician is able to get his square meal, feed and look after his family, fund the logistic to meet and talk to the people, comfort his family and friends who worry daily about his safety, Janko is not to know, because he is too busy preaching to the choir. And so i wonder who is serving us the dishes of empty rethorics!!! |
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turk
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Posted - 20 Jan 2010 : 06:26:38
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The reality i am alluding to is that Janko and his like believe that they have the fix to the Gambian problem, yet they want to burden a 'clueless and empty rethorics Mr Politician' with the dirty work to make it a reality. When the project fails Janko sees it fitting to blame and abuse Mr Politician from the comfort of his sofa and keyboard. Isn't it time now for Janko and his pals to brush aside Mr Politician and face Jammeh and the Gambian people to show us how it is done? Besides if Mr Politician is able to get his square meal, feed and look after his family, fund the logistic to meet and talk to the people, comfort his family and friends who worry daily about his safety, Janko is not to know, because he is too busy preaching to the choir. And so i wonder who is serving us the dishes of empty rethorics!!!
Another amen. Better government system is very complex and it has several dependencies from wealth, technology to citizens capabilities to participate in political process. Theories and rhetorics usually do not suffice. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 21 Jan 2010 21:53:42 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2010 : 22:21:04
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Thanks, Shaka
I had to clear the “keyboard” virus that infected the issue, do not be distracted, hope it will stay away. At least now we reaffirm this is “Bantaba in Cyberspace” and not in Albert Market, two completely different contexts and realities, the one can not replace the other, they complete each other.
Let me make one point clear this is about Mr. Politician, and no abuse or blame is intended. To refrain from critiquing Mr. Politician is not only to loose hope in him but to also give up hope that things could be better.
It can never be more realistic to refrain from honestly contributing to the political discuss of Gambia no matter where one is active at a particular moment in time. No, rather the problem is to understand that words do not act but they activate action, therefore they are not less instructive or less worthy because of the distance between the author and the audience.
I have confidence Mr. Politician understands that the maturity of any democracy, organization, political party, group of people is measured by its ability to have an openhearted discussion, to inspire and be inspired. That thoughts are better understood, transformed, refined and improved in the course of discussions, critiques and exchange of viewpoints, not through ridicule, autocracy and inflexibility. Hence there is no Mr. Know-It-All we discuss to improve each other and as such one must have the competence to understand the spirit and reason of discussion at a given time.
Saying, the opposition stands to gain the respect of the electorate by putting its political ideology in perspective through the formulation of an alternative budget proposition is as realistic as the idea of politics itself which has no practical significance before it can bring a better standard and quality of life to mankind.
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Edited by - Janko on 23 Jan 2010 00:11:04 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2010 : 23:57:49
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Janko
Mr. Politician is not the only element here. What about Mr.Citizen? Mr. Politician need to satisfy Mr.Citizen. What ever requirements you summarize for Mr. Politician also applied Mr. Citizen. Don't you think? Does Mr. Citizen demand what you summarize here? Does Mr.Citizen have awareness/knowledge/demands for Mr. Politician to act? Your point about 'tribe' is very valid that Mr. Citizen is supporting Mr. Politicians because of i.e. tribe, not because of what ideology/politics Mr. Politician advocate. If they don't demand, why should Mr. Politicans be motivated take action? Sounds like Mr. Citizen should be the real issue here, more than Mr. Politicians.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2010 : 12:46:30
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Thanks, turk
It would be highly appreciated if you start a new topic Mr. Citizen, don´t you think |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 23 Jan 2010 00:14:04 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 00:24:23
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| I don't think a new topic is required. Mr. Citizen is relevant to Mr. Politician, Mr. Diaspora, Mr.Government, Mr. Toubab. You are making great mistake if you are excluding Mr.Citizen out of this discussion. Seems like you are only focusing on Mr. Government and Mr. Politician. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Jan 2010 00:26:21 |
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shaka
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 00:45:36
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| Janko, like i said before, there are a million and one things to ask of your opposition politicians but you are just too busy dwelling on the insignificant. Belabouring the opposition for an alternative budget while the official national budget report is nothing short of a tersed recite devoid of substance and designed to hoodwink the masses, is a bit idle. Perhaps we should cut a long argument short by allowing you to fill Mr Politician's boots just for a moment and present us your alternative budget as it relates to the 2010 budget report. Mr Politician might just learn a thing or two from you invaluable wisdom. Besides, the duty to provide an alternative budget is a bestowal on all Gambians. Don't think i am being overprotective about Mr Politician, i am just being REALISTIC. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Jan 2010 : 15:17:52
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I take it that "Mr. Toubab." is a generalisation and not specific to "Toubab 1020"
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Originally posted by turk
I don't think a new topic is required. Mr. Citizen is relevant to Mr. Politician, Mr. Diaspora, Mr.Government, Mr. Toubab. You are making great mistake if you are excluding Mr.Citizen out of this discussion. Seems like you are only focusing on Mr. Government and Mr. Politician.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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