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shaka

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Posted - 15 Jan 2010 : 00:07:30
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I dig you Janko, but don't you think that it will only be fair that any reponsibility to fill 'the political vacuum' and to reverse social dilinquencies and idle minds, be burdened on society and we as a collective people, instead of mortgaging our collective destiny in the hands of a few politicians? Maybe we ought to take a deep critical look at ourselves as a people and a society first before pointing fingers for our collective failure. Besides, politicians and government are merely part of us as a people and nation. When both government and politicians have failed to execute their public duty, it is only right that we look for an alternative. But where is this substitute that we so desperately yearn for? I have looked everywhere but i am still yet to find it. All i see is a very subjugated people who continue to swallow whatever is thrown at them in silence while sofa gainde's in the diaspora disturb this 'submissive peace and tranquil' with daily harangues from obscurity. Maybe you are probably looking at the insignificant vacuum or void here.quote: Originally posted by Janko
Thanks shaka Let’s give Mbay the chance to answer the questions you raised.
You are very right, we should be mindful not to mistake human nature for tribalism; hence “envy” is human and not necessarily tribalist in spite of our personal experience(s). However, even whereas envy is human nature it is prompted by different circumstances and for different reasons. Tribalism is an immediate object to fall back onto in the absence of something to occupy both the mind and time.
It is not a question of Mr. Politician shouldering the burden of society as such, that would be asking for the impossible, rather it is an effort in the outlining of the political task, in other words an opinion as to the way forward.
So the point is, if Mr. Politician does not remedy the political vacuum, a circumstance in which tribalism could be an escapist tool, with some substance, a budget proposition if you may, that would engage the minds and time of supporters and sway them from taking the easy way out, what is then left to fill the vacuum with, if not the banalities of tribalism, envy and corruption which has been the case up to now.
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toubab1020

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Posted - 15 Jan 2010 : 00:44:53
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Shaka,I agree with your first lines but I am very confused by this " All i see is a very subjugated people who continue to swallow whatever is thrown at them in silence while sofa gainde's in the diaspora disturb this 'submissive peace and tranquil' with daily harangues from obscurity. Maybe you are probably looking at the insignificant vacuum or void here." quote:
Can you clarify please ? not names, but meaning.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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shaka

996 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2010 : 00:12:37
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Toubab, i like that pose. To spare yourself the unfortunate event of misrepresenting others, it is best to ask about what you don't understand. What i meant about what you have quoted above is that Gambians in the Gambia have been reduced to a subdued people who have long given up the fight to stand up to a brutal dictatorship and are willing to take whatever evil is meted out to them from the APRC regime with submissive silence, so long as it ensures general peace and quiet. The diaspora Gambian meanwhile have morphed into 'sofa lions and lionesses' speaking in tongues and delusions that hardly fit the daily realities of the people back home. Most of the time they try to transfers actualities from their new found Western environments of matured democracies, nutured over decades of alternating times of good and bad fortunes into an immediate reality in the Gambia, thus alienating themselves from the people back home. |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2010 : 02:51:39
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quote: ….Maybe we ought to take a deep critical look at ourselves as a people and a society first before pointing fingers for our collective failure…..All i see is a very subjugated people who continue to swallow whatever is thrown at them in silence while sofa gainde's in the diaspora disturb this 'submissive peace and tranquil' with daily harangues from obscurity. Maybe you are probably looking at the insignificant vacuum or void here……The diaspora Gambian meanwhile have morphed into 'sofa lions and lionesses' speaking in tongues and delusions that hardly fit the daily realities of the people back home. Most of the time they try to transfers actualities from their new found Western environments of matured democracies, nutured over decades of alternating times of good and bad fortunes into an immediate reality in the Gambia, thus alienating themselves from the people back home.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 16 Jan 2010 05:30:10 |
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toubab1020

12311 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jan 2010 : 13:08:36
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Thanks Shaka,I can now understand the meaning of your words, quote:
Originally posted by shaka
Toubab, i like that pose. To spare yourself the unfortunate event of misrepresenting others, it is best to ask about what you don't understand. What i meant about what you have quoted above is that Gambians in the Gambia have been reduced to a subdued people who have long given up the fight to stand up to a brutal dictatorship and are willing to take whatever evil is meted out to them from the APRC regime with submissive silence, so long as it ensures general peace and quiet. The diaspora Gambian meanwhile have morphed into 'sofa lions and lionesses' speaking in tongues and delusions that hardly fit the daily realities of the people back home. Most of the time they try to transfers actualities from their new found Western environments of matured democracies, nutured over decades of alternating times of good and bad fortunes into an immediate reality in the Gambia, thus alienating themselves from the people back home.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 01:39:04
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Thanks, Shaka Interestingly, the keyboard has gain grounds and has become the centre of all forms of transaction from trade, transfer of technology, books, healthcare and so fort and has changed the notion of distance, time and space. I do all financial transactions to Gambia with the keyboard so why can’t concern Gambians contribute their quota to the political discourse in Gambia with the keyboard. The entire political institution and structure in Gambia derive from a colonial tradition and not from home-grown political or institutional organization. As such only 10-15% of the citizenry are active in politics. So it is acceptable for Mr. Politician to seek knowledge from Western universities but is not acceptable for Gambians to transfer knowledge gained from direct experience of the West, that it is acceptable to use the keyboard to transfer money but not to sensitise Gambian politics.
Of course development and wellbeing is the responsibility of all citizens concentrating on their jobs and solving the problems that come on their way. Let me go back to the “family” metaphor in a previous post about the familyhead getting the family’s monthly or yearly budget correct. For the family to function there has to be a sharing out of task, those who win the bread, those who build houses, those who cook, those who care for the children. The breadwinner does not quit work because the cook is not good enough instead the problems are resolved in a way for the family’s best. Gambia as a nation is composed of people from different works of life and together completes each other. Filling the “political vacuum” is the contractual obligation of Mr. Politician hence s/he has chosen politics as a field of work, in the same way the farmer chooses to cultivate the land, the taxi driver transportation. That the reason Gambia is unable to get out of her political vacuum is due to her lack of “self critique” is not only a way of refraining from critiquing Mr. Politician but also a sign of loosing all hope that Mr. Politician can learn from mistakes and capture differing opinions of citizens in moulding the “way forward”.
I heard a comment on the radio today about Ukraine’s political situation which reminds me of ours. Remember the “Orange Revolution” that paved the way for the present president to power. The radio commentator said the Ukrainians are caught in a situation where they want change but are forced to choose from the same old politicians hence there are no new politicians in the political arena.
Lastly, I would say the Diasporians have transcend to transnationals, the idiom Diaspora does not capture their complex and multiple relationships to not only their country of origin but the entire world, the keyboard REVOLUTION is a factum.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 01:58:32
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quote: I do all financial transactions to Gambia with the keyboard so why can’t concern Gambians contribute their quota to the political discourse in Gambia with the keyboard. The entire political institution and structure in Gambia derive from a colonial tradition and not from home-grown political or institutional organization. As such only 10-15% of the citizenry are active in politics. So it is acceptable for Mr. Politician to seek knowledge from Western universities but is not acceptable for Gambians to transfer knowledge gained from direct experience of the West, that it is acceptable to use the keyboard to transfer money but not to sensitise Gambian politics.
I don't think shaka is questioning if you have right to provide your perspective. He or she is questioning if your perspective is relevant to reality of Gambia. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 12:50:41
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quote: Originally posted by turk I don't think shaka is questioning if you have right to provide your perspective. He or she is questioning if your perspective is relevant to reality of Gambia.
Thanks, turk Elaborate my perspective and its irrelevance |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 13:18:37
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oh no, janko. I was afraid that you were going to ask that. I let Shaka do the battle as he or she is doing much better job than me. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 14:16:03
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Well, turk, afraid of your uncertainty … for your take would be highly refreshing
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 16:51:14
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Janko
This topic is too deep, it is beyond my capacity. If you have any question about Oracle Database architecture for clustered environment, i can help. :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020

12311 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 17:41:53
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Janko,Turk is too shy to show you his/her real expertise, I am only a foreigner here. I thought that I would be helpful and assist . Here is a link to the subject
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/clustering/RACWhitepapers.html
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 17 Jan 2010 17:44:18 |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 21:37:44
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All of these documents on my hard drive already. (lol at 'his/her') But thanks for sharing them for others. I am surprised you did not come accross one of my documents on the subject, touby. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jan 2010 21:38:40 |
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toubab1020

12311 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 22:06:20
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Turk,my previous posting was designed to be humourous,I looked at the pages in the link and thought,Errrrrrr I don't understand all this stuff, far too advanced for me, so much of it,I must admit I didnt look far,if some of this is your work ,what can I say,very advanced beyond the minds of most people,well done.
Further research turned up this,beyond me ! a little off topic Momodou, sorry.
quote: Originally posted by turk
All of these documents on my hard drive already. (lol at 'his/her') But thanks for sharing them for others. I am surprised you did not come accross one of my documents on the subject, touby.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 17 Jan 2010 22:12:22 |
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turk

USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 23:21:43
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Toubab. I don't understand you. It is only 10 minutes, you set up your oracle cluster. Yes, it is technical. I studied 6 years for nothing. No more posting on this, before Janko got upset for hijacking his or her topic. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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