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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 22 Apr 2010 :  22:11:40  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
Karamba
... this is why we as a nation need to go by merit and not inherent attribute

Momodou
a very interesting perspective, the finished work would make an interesting reading.

A friend once told me, that it is very demanding to transform oral history into text/written. I think African philosophers are experiencing the same difficulty in collecting and wording “African Philosophy”

Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy

Edited by - Janko on 22 Apr 2010 22:14:24
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Bodwick



United Kingdom
60 Posts

Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  01:01:57  Show Profile  Visit Bodwick's Homepage Send Bodwick a Private Message
"Botha made a speech in 1985. Does any of the posts by Turk on Bantaba (2010) compare to it?"

Aye Carumba! Karamba,

Where will the Bantaba be without the Turk! No more laugh a minute posts and no more weird stalking comedian antics to quietly giggle at.

What about his new slave labour business in Gambia? We will never know how many people rush to take up such a wonderful opportunity.

Oh well, don’t slam the door on your way out my little Turkish friend…

I for one will miss his little ditties.



A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

Specialization is for insects.

-- Robert A. Heinlein The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  01:43:15  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Bodwick

Good luck to you on your business pimping gambian children to your clients. I know you, in fact, I met you. It is as easy as your telling your client how easy to get a young girls in Gambia when try selling your services. Shame on you.


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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Bodwick



United Kingdom
60 Posts

Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  01:53:11  Show Profile  Visit Bodwick's Homepage Send Bodwick a Private Message
I thought you'd gone

As I said, don't slam the door on your way out.




A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

Specialization is for insects.

-- Robert A. Heinlein The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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Bodwick



United Kingdom
60 Posts

Posted - 23 Apr 2010 :  02:08:53  Show Profile  Visit Bodwick's Homepage Send Bodwick a Private Message
Original post deleted by Bod...

Life is too short to lower myself to the sort of reply I posted...

Suffice to say I've never met Turk and the above post is simply untrue and slanderous being a figment of his imaginary life in Gambia.




A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

Specialization is for insects.

-- Robert A. Heinlein The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

Edited by - Bodwick on 24 Apr 2010 15:40:11
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 24 Apr 2010 :  14:01:05  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Bodwick

"Botha made a speech in 1985. Does any of the posts by Turk on Bantaba (2010) compare to it?"

Aye Carumba! Karamba,

Where will the Bantaba be without the Turk! No more laugh a minute posts and no more weird stalking comedian antics to quietly giggle at.

What about his new slave labour business in Gambia? We will never know how many people rush to take up such a wonderful opportunity.

Oh well, don’t slam the door on your way out my little Turkish friend…

I for one will miss his little ditties.







Bodwick,

It is bone chilling cruelty that tyrants inflict so much pain on others yet some people want the rest silenced. Turk unfortunately is one of those with passion to suppress.

Karamba
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Bodwick



United Kingdom
60 Posts

Posted - 24 Apr 2010 :  15:46:09  Show Profile  Visit Bodwick's Homepage Send Bodwick a Private Message
Hi Karamba,

I used to think I was of a very similar character to Turk and would have much in common but over time and with reflection I came to the conclusion that it's simply not so.

Perhaps we are too similar, I wondered. But again this is not so.

There you go, it's the internet and it involves all sorts.




A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

Specialization is for insects.

-- Robert A. Heinlein The Notebooks of Lazarus Long
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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2010 :  09:55:37  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
Corruption
Is an act of giving or and accepting something to smoothen progress unlawfully, a premeditated moral distortion of honesty –dishonesty. It is not a practice just within the boarders of a country, multinationals and nations, governments and civil servants, or only amongst citizens, comrades, neighbors, colleagues it is a global phenomenon. Corruption also is the use of ones status/position to give or and accept privileges and services based on inherent attributes; tribe, religion, region, gender and not merit. Corruption is a moral problem mostly encouraged by administrative discrepancies over the years, it will only get worst if not fixed. The act jeopardizes competence which in turn compromises efficiency. It is only by identifying the source of corruption that one is able to find solution(s).

Focus here is on corruption within the state, i.e. within government and -between government, civil servants and the citizens it is suppose to serve.
There will always be dishonesty in society. Corruption can not be eradicated but controlled and taken to its minimum level. Minimizing corruption therefore means limiting its extent, putting it under control by mending some of the administrative structural inadequacies making it possible. To archive a high-level incorruptibility is (well, there is no absolute answer, nor a once and for all solution) to understand and highlight the unintentional structural weaknesses encouraging the practice.

If a civil servant gets up every morning, 30 days in the month to go to work, s/he ought to be able to feed a family of four (father, mother and two children) with the salary.
If not, the civil servant resorts to acts of corruption as a means to remedy the income shortage. How does the civil servant compensate for this “income outfall”? There are many ways. The civil servant applies different strategies in mending the shortage in the household income or the difference between the amount of work hours and wages. For example;
- One leaves the workplace before closing time to go and get quick money elsewhere
- See around the workplace for something to sell for instant cash, for example printing papers, ink, petrol, spare parts and other office equipments
- Use of status i.e. to use ones position at work to extract money from citizens requiring the services by withholding documents for example passport, driving license, birth certificates etc. until a gift or compensation is received
- Direct embezzlement of government revenues. In this way the underpaid civil servant transfers the consequences directly onto the workplace, which
- affects political stability and economic improvement
- affects investments and competition negatively
- affects the most unfortunate -most
- maintains incompetence and inefficiency
- obstructs development
- weakens state income
- Cements poverty.
The impact on the workplace in particular and the country in general is far costlier then paying a substantial salary. Therefore to seriously fight corruption, is to pay a salary that can sustain a family. Enabling it to have an “existential minimum” income i.e. basic necessities to survive.

Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy

Edited by - Janko on 28 Apr 2010 10:34:33
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toubab1020



12311 Posts

Posted - 28 Apr 2010 :  11:11:53  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Janko,
I very much like this from your posting above

"There will always be dishonesty in society. Corruption can not be eradicated but controlled and taken to its minimum level. Minimizing corruption therefore means limiting its extent, putting it under control by mending some of the administrative structural inadequacies making it possible."

I feel that in the West this is the idea that prevails.


"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 06 May 2010 :  20:26:50  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
The worst thing about tribalism is, the tribalist believe s/he is fighting a just course when s/he is doing a monstrous disservice to society. Trabalism is a mental sickness whose highest stage is when it becomes spontaneous and just is, like a spontaneous effect. At this stage the idea of tribe has sunken so deep that the tribalist becomes like a programmed robot. This is when the tribalist becomes not only suicidal but a danger to everyone.

Enlightened minds make it their duty to scrutinize the obvious and not let be overwhelmed by indistinguishable sentiments. Our duty in cultivating gambianism (the idea of Gambia as one people and one nation) is to scrutinize the blatancy of tribalism and what makes it apparent. It is only then we would understand why we fall prey to its separating false supremacy.

Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy

Edited by - Janko on 06 May 2010 20:28:41
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 08 May 2010 :  14:48:09  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
Related Bantaba Gambian politics topic Values of Good Citizenship
under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?whichpage=1&TOPIC_ID=9092#58188
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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 10 May 2010 :  12:40:21  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
Block politics and forms of coalitions – England at the crossroads.

What can Gambia learn from the present English Situation?

Take Back Parliament brings together a coalition of different groups and organisations in the call for fair votes. They include POWER2010, Unlock Democracy. Electoral Reform Society and Vote for a Change.
Take Back Parliament is not aligned to any political party - instead it seeks a fair voting system so that all parties have representation in Parliament according to the number of votes they receive.

Take Back Parliament demo - Nick Clegg in full - Billy Bragg interview

Edited by - Janko on 10 May 2010 13:22:30
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 10 May 2010 :  13:23:33  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
The UK experience demonstrates that coalition are based on the political realities on the ground for STRATEGIC & TACTICAL REASONS.

UK HUNG PARLIAMENT IS GOING TO BE A POWER SHARING DEAL; COMPROMISING CERTAIN PARTY INTERESTS AS SOME FORM OF WAY FORWARD TO SET-UP A GOVERNMENT THE DEALS ARE GIVE & TAKE BUSINESS AT EXECUTIVE LEVEL OF PARTIES CONCERN.

Coalition/Mergers can only exist prior to elections under the Gambia Constitution.
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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 14 Jun 2010 :  13:43:39  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
Interestingly, it seems as if those who lay blame on others for tribalism do so mostly from a tribalist position.

Still waiting for an alternative budget proposition, Mr. Politician

Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy
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monday

43 Posts

Posted - 15 Jun 2010 :  15:46:06  Show Profile Send monday a Private Message
[quote]Originally posted by Janko

Corruption

janko,

This posting of yours is just excellent. I hope readers will analysis the words and not just "read and go".
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