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kayjatta
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 Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 09:23:46
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/11/us/11sniper.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1257927288-MXvve08xPenDmsEFY7UrfA
Personally, I am against the death penalty. I think, in all of its forms, the death penalty (the murder of individuals by the government) is cruel, inhumane; and ineffective in reducing crime. Thou shall not kill, (even the one who has killed).
Notwithstanding the 'humane' nature of U.S. executions, by lethal injection, killing (murder) cannot be a solution for another killing (murder).
Stoning someone to death as has recently happened in Somalia, and a subject of another discussion, is even more horrific and cruel. It cannot be justified in any way...
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Prince
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 10:11:45
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His execution received too much publicity. This may make him a martyr in the twisted minds of sickos like him. He should have been executed waaaay earlier without publicity...
I firmly believe in the death penalty. It may not reduce crime rates but a thug like Mokamel effectively gave up his right to life when he ventured into taking the lives of innocent folks for whatever reason.... and the death penalty is suppose to be cruel and inhumane. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 10:18:02
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Originally posted by Prince
His execution received too much publicity. This may make him a martyr in the twisted minds of sickos like him. He should have been executed waaaay earlier without publicity...
I firmly believe in the death penalty. It may not reduce crime rates but a thug like Mokamel effectively gave up his right to life when he ventured into taking the lives of innocent folks for whatever reason.... and the death penalty is suppose to be cruel and inhumane.
Thanks Prince. I respect your views, but paradoxically cruel and inhumane punishment ( cruel and unusual punishment) is unconstitutional in the U.S. (8th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution). |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 14:31:38
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I am totally against the death penalty as well; and for all my life, I doubted its effectiveness, perhaps only to others who survive to learn from it, and not actually those gone. I watch some of his home vedeos with family yesterday, he was a fine man all his life. Life is full of stages. That is why it is good to continually pray to be guided along the straight path. Anyways, your headline gave me a shock Kay...to my veins/heart..(no offense)...just for love of that one Man called Prophet Muhammad, Peace and Blessings of God Be Upon Him. It is your nuisance (excuse its usage) habbit to forward funny topics on islam here always. I hope that is not the case on this one. Common ooon now, amin...you want to tell me there is no better headline than this one that touches peoples' sensibilities Please if you won't mind taking a suggestion per opinion, go ahead and change this topic...Please!!!
As a former soldier, they could have at least allowed 'rememberance' day to pass by before taking his life since some examintion on his brains shows some after-war stress disease.[He fought in the battle of Desert Storm, Iraq]. That doesn't in my view free him from the horrible crimes he committed. It is better justice than the justice of lethal injections, neck-hanging or firing squads...How about imprisonment with hard labor?
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 16:10:57
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| Thanks Dalton for your insight! Likewise me I felt a traumatic shock to enquire which MUHAMMAD? Hope Admin. should resolved topic as Sniper John A. Muhammad Executed and with no offence to Kayjatta? |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 20:35:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Prince
His execution received too much publicity. This may make him a martyr in the twisted minds of sickos like him. He should have been executed waaaay earlier without publicity...
I firmly believe in the death penalty. It may not reduce crime rates but a thug like Mokamel effectively gave up his right to life when he ventured into taking the lives of innocent folks for whatever reason.... and the death penalty is suppose to be cruel and inhumane.
Prince, may I ask why you 'firmly believe' in death penalty? And would you still favor this penalty if you were sitting in a prison cell, waiting for your execution - and be innocent? Do you really believe in the infallibility of police, judges and jurors? Do you really believe that men should presume to play God? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 06:59:27
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Thanks Prince & Seranata for your comments! As Dalton highlighted that he was a good personality, suffered ill-fate and sadly over-powered by tragedies!
Is this a case of serious depression He served the state but could be a victim afterwards by discrimination, abused or persecuted, considered as state enemy in nationalist politics of U.S war & religion leading to these tragedies |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 07:13:53
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| Dalton and Kobo, I almost used the heading "Muhammad on the Cross", but I wasn't really sure how you guys would have felt about that one... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 09:40:38
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Originally posted by kobo
Thanks Prince & Seranata for your comments! As Dalton highlighted that he was a good personality, suffered ill-fate and sadly over-powered by tragedies!
Is this a case of serious depression He served the state but could be a victim afterwards by discrimination, abused or persecuted, considered as state enemy in nationalist politics of U.S war & religion leading to these tragedies
Kobo, the question you are raising is a question of insanity. I don't know if Muhammad's attorney(s) raised the defence of insanity or not, but except the jurisdiction of Washington D.C., the burden is on the defence to prove insanity. Insanity is not a psychological question, however. It is a legal question. It has to do with whether the defendant is 'competent to stand trial'; whether the defendant understands the charges against him; whether the defendant understands or know 'right from wrong' at the time he committed the crimes; whether the defendant was under an 'irersistible impulse' to commit the crime.
Insanity is different from being 'crazy' or 'mentally ill'...
Muhammad's conviction notwithstanding could be adequately punished with a life imprisonment instead of the death penalty; but I guess there is no limit to human cruelty, to paraphrase Albert Einstein.
Attention: Kayjatta is not an attorney!!! |
Edited by - kayjatta on 12 Nov 2009 09:42:58 |
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Prince
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 10:49:06
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Prince, may I ask why you 'firmly believe' in death penalty? And would you still favor this penalty if you were sitting in a prison cell, waiting for your execution - and be innocent? Do you really believe in the infallibility of police, judges and jurors? Do you really believe that men should presume to play God?
Serenata, Sorry if my post come across rude, a good friend of mine was brutally raped and killed by some thugs who are still having a protracted trial in the warmth of their jail cell. So I'm toooo passionate about capital punishment.
I don't believe in the indiscriminate dishing out of death penalties as punishments for minor crimes... but, people who heinously harm their fellow humans should give up their right to life. It is not about whether death penalty reduces crimes or not...
Only people who commit crimes proven beyond reasonable doubts should be swiftly killed... violent- pedophiles, racist, homophobes, murderers etc should not be fed in jail with tax payer money when homeless people are struggling to eat.
Some of these criminals are not as nice as the pinko activist would like you to believe. I encountered some of them during my kid summer holidays in Soweto, SA. they use to explicitly threaten women with, "I haven't eaten today, I'll rape you to have the govt. feed me."
With the advancement of science and liberal activistism, it is difficult for someone to be "innocently" executed in the US. If i am innocently put on death row, I'll accept my fate in good faith (in a pissed mood though).
And no, we humans don't live by the laws of the gods. Anyone who wants to live by god's law should emigrate to Saudi Arabia, Iran or better still, die to eternally live in God's kingdom!
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 11:03:04
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Thanks Prince. I respect your views, but paradoxically cruel and inhumane punishment ( cruel and unusual punishment) is unconstitutional in the U.S. (8th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution).
Kay, thanks for reminding me. "cruel and usual punishment" is very vague and relative phrase. To some people, anything other than handing fat criminals a cookie jar is inhumane.
In the recent past, there was a supreme court case arguing that the lethal injection constitutes "cruel and usual punishment." Do you know what the S.C. decision was? I can't find it online. I think some southern death row inmates were suing. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 11:47:48
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Originally posted by Prince
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Thanks Prince. I respect your views, but paradoxically cruel and inhumane punishment ( cruel and unusual punishment) is unconstitutional in the U.S. (8th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution).
Kay, thanks for reminding me. "cruel and usual punishment" is very vague and relative phrase. To some people, anything other than handing fat criminals a cookie jar is inhumane.
In the recent past, there was a supreme court case arguing that the lethal injection constitutes "cruel and usual punishment." Do you know what the S.C. decision was? I can't find it online. I think some southern death row inmates were suing.
I am not sure which South Carolina decision you are refering to. Is it Kelley v. South Carolina?
The death penalty, even in its most humane form, the lethal injection is fraught with controversy. The recent Florida and Ohio cases are examples. Besides there are some 14 states in the U.S. that does not practice the capital punishment (death penalty). Only 36 states practice it, including Kansas which just recently adopted it.
The American Medical Association (AMA)and Nurses Association refuses to take part in the execution of death row inmates by lethal injection rightly because they consider it inhumane. That position by the AMA is very instructive... |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 15:33:16
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| Kay, I think Prince is referring a Supreme Court Case, not a South Carolina decision [Baze v. Rees] in which the Court by a 7-2 vote ruled that Kentucky's lethal injection protocol does not violate the 8th Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 06:38:46
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Kay, I think Prince is referring a Supreme Court Case, not a South Carolina decision [Baze v. Rees] in which the Court by a 7-2 vote ruled that Kentucky's lethal injection protocol does not violate the 8th Amendment (cruel and unusual punishment).
Thanks Mansa. |
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faderabraham
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 11:59:16
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i am in total aggreement with you prince if proven without an any reasonable doubt the convicted should face the death penalty what about the VICTIMS AND THERE FAMILIES ?....society is becoming too soft on criminals I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY..regarding other crimes especially here in uk we have got soft on criminals and poor victims have to live with it and the rest of us in fear...while the criminal know they will get off with light sentence AM AFRAID WE ARE BEING BRAINWASH INTO COMPLACENCY.BY THE SO-CALLED HUMAN RIGHTS BRIGADE quote:
Originally posted by Prince
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Prince, may I ask why you 'firmly believe' in death penalty? And would you still favor this penalty if you were sitting in a prison cell, waiting for your execution - and be innocent? Do you really believe in the infallibility of police, judges and jurors? Do you really believe that men should presume to play God?
Serenata, Sorry if my post come across rude, a good friend of mine was brutally raped and killed by some thugs who are still having a protracted trial in the warmth of their jail cell. So I'm toooo passionate about capital punishment.
I don't believe in the indiscriminate dishing out of death penalties as punishments for minor crimes... but, people who heinously harm their fellow humans should give up their right to life. It is not about whether death penalty reduces crimes or not...
Only people who commit crimes proven beyond reasonable doubts should be swiftly killed... violent- pedophiles, racist, homophobes, murderers etc should not be fed in jail with tax payer money when homeless people are struggling to eat.
Some of these criminals are not as nice as the pinko activist would like you to believe. I encountered some of them during my kid summer holidays in Soweto, SA. they use to explicitly threaten women with, "I haven't eaten today, I'll rape you to have the govt. feed me."
With the advancement of science and liberal activistism, it is difficult for someone to be "innocently" executed in the US. If i am innocently put on death row, I'll accept my fate in good faith (in a pissed mood though).
And no, we humans don't live by the laws of the gods. Anyone who wants to live by god's law should emigrate to Saudi Arabia, Iran or better still, die to eternally live in God's kingdom!
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kayjatta
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 12:41:32
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| 'Life imprisonment' is not a light sentence, and is sufficient punishment. Killing the offender does no good to the victims and their families other than appease their primitive desire for vengeance. Modern humans, at least in the criminal justice system, must rise above this hunter and gatherer primitive predatory desires for avengement... |
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