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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 May 2006 : 16:04:14
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I am reading all of this and not commenting until now.
Tribalism can have terrible consequences and it frightens me when I hear it in a Gambian context....especially when linked with revenge.
It is SO negative and once it is unleashed the damage may be much more that ever intended..but it cant be stopped.
You are all Gambians together, all muslims. What does the Muslim faith have to say about tribalism?
To move forward you need to unite as brothers and sisters. Put the past and tribal differences to one side and unite for the good of The Gambia and the generations to come.
Try to be positive in these difficult times. One day change will come. I just hope it will be peaceful and democratic.
Thanks Gambiabev for step in. Its not only Gambia but Africa as a whole that should unite. Certain elements surfacing in Bantaba with their ignorance are aggravating the complexities and issues that are relevant towards our poltical development and unity. Many appear to be taking some misleading roles and needs to be exposed that we are not in their incompentent level to chart our destiny. We need the way forward, constructive critisms, valid proposals, sound ideas, wisdom and new resolutions to educate, dessiminate and resolve the mess at home. These are not individual, personal issue but society and the need for hramonisation of our efforts, resources and whatever potentials we have. Thats my revolutionary ideas and I would fight to clear myself from the ignorance and callous. |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 16:23:50
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Thanks Bamba, the strong fact is tribalism exists, a REAL Gambian phenomenom AND STRONGER TODAY THAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR DEAR MOTHERLAND.So you either CONDEMN IT OR YOU CONDONE IT ,SIMPLY.THOSE WHO ALL MAKING NOISE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO BE AGAINST JAMMEH IN ONE WAY BUT FROM ANOTHER ANGLE THEY ARE CONDONING HIS TRIBALIST ACTS FOR SOME REASONS BEST KNOWN TO THEM.
You either CONDEM OR CONDONE Period. |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 17:39:59
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Dembish, u could never have finished your piece above with a better expression than---CONDEM OR CONDONE.
I heard on the news this morning, bbc's daily summary of the African news, though a short mentioned of it, about a tribal war on one of the borders of Gabon. Look at the tribal wars going on in the DR Congo with some cannibalistic features, ussssh!! They were not discussing it until it's now off hand. Cant we learn from those wars and try to correct our own tribalism in Gambia before it gets off hand?
Gambians in Sweden are in what i would call small tribal pockets--the akus, wolofs, mandinkas and lately jolas. The jolas were formerly neutral but not anymore since Jammeh came to power. It was not easy formerly to distinguish a jola from a mandinka, all jolas speak mandinka.
I can say with all honesty that am not part of any of these pockets, I have better things to do.
A distinguished feature of tribalism is that those that practice it often are those suffering from profound inferiority complex. Talking about in search of common solutions is the only out.
My friend told that there are 100% Jammeh supporters coz of tribalism in your forum. But they falsely follow the flow of criticisms of Jammeh to be part of it.
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rah
117 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 20:46:56
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| Gambiabev, who told you that "Gambians are all muslims"? Get your facts right. yeh.rah |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 20:55:12
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| When brother rah is on everything has to "all correct sir" yeh.man rah. |
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rah
117 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 21:21:33
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| Probably bamba, but I am not "one in a million" that is atheist or of other denomination. yeh.rah |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 08:40:02
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| Rah..sorry.....I do know there are christians, rastas and animists too.....but in this context I meant to unite with the common thing, which for the majority of Gambians is their religion...rather than look for the tribal differences. Rastas think you are all brothers..this is a simple belief that could save alot of blood. |
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somita
United Kingdom
163 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 11:38:18
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Dembish I shall look farward to reading your statistical analysis, i'm hopeful that it will be analytical and comprehensive not selective and opinionated.
No body on the forum is denying the facts on Jammeh's divisive and socially destructive political views however generating random, irresponsible and selective statistics is dangerous on such a sensitive issue at least from an academic point of view. The fact that you are taking time to bring the actual statistic vindicate my view about your initial insertion.
I honestly I do not think Jammeh is appointing people on the basis of "tribe", equally i do not think he appoints people on the basis of competency and merit, rather Jammeh appoints people who will dance to his tune, people who will obey his words without question, people who will tell him what he wants to hear not the truth. The question is whether you should call that tribalism or not! To call it tribalism you might need a mind reading machine.
Dembish your insertion that Jammeh appointments individual's on the basis of tribe needs more proof and evidence, not just statistic. You need to show a consistant phychological behaviour or policy initiatives, am not a human scientist but surely you need alot more proofs. That is why i branded your statements as irresponsible.
I find it difficult to understand tribalism although i know its is a reality and a harsh one, on the other hand tribalism is fictional. The concept of tribe has no genetic or biological basis.
All humans under the clouds of Gambia are suffering under Jammeh that is the bottom line.
I look farward to reading more of your work. |
Edited by - somita on 08 May 2006 11:56:14 |
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rah
117 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 13:03:19
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No problem, gambiabev. I just can't see the relevance of religion in regards to this topic.
Your avatar and mine have something in common, dreadlocks. yeh,rah |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 13:29:00
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| tribes divide a country..religion CAN unite..... |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 13:38:28
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Somita, your display of maturity is highly commendable. This is what it should be------argument with counter-argument, in a intellectual and academic manner. Now is up to Dembish to come forth with his back-up.Here we see a display of what me and some friends refer to as brain level---maturity.
There is no issue, no matter how sensitive, that cant be dealt with in a matured manner in forums. It's lower than low for people, especially when unmandated, to intrude the flow of exchanges and try to stop them. Am impressed Somita.
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somita
United Kingdom
163 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 14:10:19
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Bamba, point well taken, i try not be embroiled in emotion but truthful exchange because i believe strongly that only facts can withstand the test of time. I know Bamba there is something call an honest mistake and I will put my hands up if I make one, on the other hand i know that there exist individuals who believe that what they think, or their opinion is factual. This group, I believe are the most dangerous in our soceity and must be countered because their effects might bring unforseen suffering to our people.
Only one thing is certain, "uncertaintity". |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2006 : 21:07:09
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Originally posted by bamba
Somita, your display of maturity is highly commendable. This is what it should be------argument with counter-argument, in a intellectual and academic manner. Now is up to Dembish to come forth with his back-up.Here we see a display of what me and some friends refer to as brain level---maturity.
There is no issue, no matter how sensitive, that cant be dealt with in a matured manner in forums. It's lower than low for people, especially when unmandated, to intrude the flow of exchanges and try to stop them. Am impressed Somita.
Can you please tell me what mandate do you have to condemn me to "varnish" from the following comment and your basis for series of outright personal attacks through this forum. I repeat again:-
" Am afraid that its sad to say am loosing appetite on this topic. If the sun came out in the open in broad daylight and you can't see light you are blind and we have many blind mindedness but very active through Bantaba. Who the cap fits let them wear it?"
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Samarew
USA
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 11:43:17
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There is no difference between yaya and land Tombong!They are all part of the same system.We need to start exermining those labelled as "good" in the Jammeh BS of a government.People should question the characters of Isatou Njie Saidy, Susan, Tombong Tamba, Bala Gaye, Dr Mbowe...if these people are good, honorable citizens, what the hell are they doing with Yaya. They are like worms, doing there stuff and hiding?How can Lang Tombong be clean?He is the Chief of staff of an armed force responsible for the killing of Gambians.
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Originally posted by Dalton1
Madis, echo that one louder. Opportuned to be from the same village with Lang Tombong, known him to be a gentleman. But i am sorry he might not be able to clean himself,come what may, because he is next to a bad doer. My wish that he didn't associate himself to jammeh cannot be put in paper. Also, one might argue that some are keeping jobs, and a great way of survival. Only few soldiers i spoke with from the area who described him as a cat, 'toilet and burry.' Lang is way older than me, but had the respect of even the younger ones from the village. "the man with the six fingers on his hands."
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2006 : 18:18:44
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| You are right Samarew. Just like Bush said you are either with us or with the terrorists. You cannot run with the hares and hunt with hounds. I think it is hypocritical. Birds of the same feather flock together. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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