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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 May 2006 : 01:23:23
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Originally posted by truevoiceof bakau
i just feel sorry for the jola after jammeh as they are going to have hard time as everyone will be out to get them
I totally disagree on this comment. Don't promote any civil war in this forum as declared here. Am sorry we are all just ordinary Gambians and by God's design sharing a tiny strip of landmass with a small flow of river from the futa Jallon towards the Atlantic ocean. In our quest to seek solutions to our political crises there are certain elements not helping us put accross the answers in what is considered as a re-orientation exercise to revolutionise and develope the society and social fabric that we live in. However from my assessment there are some with better intellect, consciousness or sober minds deemed to be are more patriotic than others,whilst certain elements appear to be amongst weakest links and don't even consider the implications of their statements. There appear to be no censorship in Bantaba but some of us are ready not to compromise any foolish or insensible statement as we are looking for constructive comments, wisdom and good resolutions for the way forward for the Gambia towards peace, progressive and stability for all sundry and denominations living their. We need mature minds and I call upon every one to forward positive ideas, comments and relevant information. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 03:15:45
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Kobo, there has to be a provision for different abilities to read and perceive in Bantaba. This is a forum where members are not expected to see issues from the same perspective. U are very right, Jolas--Yaya's kinsmen, are not expected to repent for the sins of Yaya's tyranny. The uprising in Cassamance is enough a distability in our region.
If Jolas are to bequeath the tyrannical rule of Yaya and suffer for it, it will be unprecedented in the annal of African history. No tyrannat has yet, in black Africa, handed over the sins of his tyranny to his kinsmen. No cause for alarm. It's just an extreme reaction form a very sensitive issue. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 07:48:08
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| Bamba I cannot compromise on certain irresponsible statements. We should have a sense of direction and take certain responsiblities and mature through the Bantaba. Jammeh's weak leadership or rule is the problem. Although the Casamance rebels have infiltrate us and Gambia us a safe haven for them. That political problem should be addressed in another dimension. |
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kiwi
Sweden
662 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 08:35:39
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One of my best friends here is a mandinka and am a Wolof. But the levels of our brains cement us together. Ordinary people bothered by tribalism do lack brains to help them break the boundaries of tribalism. Ordinary people bothered by their birth and where they hail from will always use tribalism as a tool. Tribalism as a political tool will follow in subsequent issues.
It’s very sad to say that Swedes are now using Gambian tribalism to sort out Gambians for their own sexual needs with blacks. The story seems to be the same in the Diaspora
Bamba, you might see things I don´t or maybe it is about brain levels, but I would say that ordinary people don´t know anything about tribes in the Gambia. So in what way is tribalism used as a tool? In what situations? Do you really mean people want to state one´s tribe before having sex? Your statement is a bit obscure.
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 10:45:29
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Dont u see the sexual exploitations of the very poor that's going on all around the world, or u dont want see that? Who is talking people "stating their trbes before having sex". Dont quite get what u mean there. I hope that the victims of sexual exploitations are not being forced to swallow everything, whereas the perpetrators can go ahead unabated.
If u dont know how tribalism is being used as a tool, then u are not abreast with what's going on in black Africa. Are u an African?
Humans like animals in the jungle are always protecting their areas, am beginnig to get a clear picture of that. |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 12:12:27
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Bamba, I think you already know that I am not African, but you should reread you own writing which is:
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It’s very sad to say that Swedes are now using Gambian tribalism to sort out Gambians for their own sexual needs with blacks
That is the sentence I ask you to explain, followed by
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Swedes are now using these ammunitions handed to them by Gambians to shoot at Gambians. Swedes are now sorting Gambians according to tribes and where they hail from in Gambia
Is it diffucullt to explain it to one who is not on your level?
I usually appreciate your writings very much but when asked for explanation you sometimes become quite arrogant.
So why not not explain how tribalism affects Africans in Sweden , instead of changing it to
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Dont u see the sexual exploitations of the very poor that's going on all around the world, or u dont want see that?
Yes Bamba, I see the sexual exploitations of the poor going on around the world, and yes, I want to see it, there is know need to accuse me of being ignorant. I travel, I read a lot and have learnt a lot from this Bantaba though I would not compare it with your knowledge of Africa.
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somita
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 12:40:39
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I'm not surprise but worried by the extent of this debate, I think most of the postings are sensible enough to give the topic the sensitivity it requires however some postings are sadly simplistic and carries the very ignorance that breeds tribilism. I'm of the opinion that some of the postings bear the hallmarks ..... of sweet revenge that awaits the jolas.
Generalisation and alienation is the perfect mixture to creating an environment of hatred and indeed civil war. What is even more worrying is using irresponsible, wishful and selective statistic to back up ones own opinion, as Demnish successsfully demonstrated, the insertion that 60% of civil servants are jolas, is blantantly inaccurate and at worse has the element to encourage other tribes into thinking that their rights and that of their children are being taken away from them .... A perfect ingredient for civil war. Lets face it, large percentage of the civil service car drivers in Greater Banjul area are jola's this was the case for many years well before Jammeh because Jolas hardly send their childeren to school and those that make it stops in secondary school. I have no doubt some of the jolas comes from Cassamance that is well documented fact but have settled and work in Gambia for many years now into their third or secondary generations who going by the constitution have a ligitmate right as you and I to vote and support the man of their choice even for the wrong reason.
All facts shows that as the years go by we are less likely to have civil war today than ever before, because alots my generation are not compelled to married from their own tribes. Children whoes parents are from mixed tribes are on the increase, surely we have an irresponsible, uneducated, ignorant president, on the other hand we all have a moral duty to the country. Iressponsiblity on our party is equally damaging.
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 12:49:12
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They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If u find some of my responses as arrogant, well it's rather sad and unfortunate. But I think there are more arrogant subscribers to Bantaba than I am.
Most Swedes with Gambian connections are now interested in a gambian's tribe than his nationality. This was not the case before. More specific examples on this will come, so dont be in a hurry.
Am not putting my brain level above anybody's. There are gambians above being impeded being by tribalism. People like Halifa Sallah, Sidia Jatta and co of NADD are far above being hindered by tribalism.
Be advised to turn to Gambians with better knowledege of Gambia, like u said, to lecture u more on tribalism. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 13:14:10
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| Am afraid that its sad to say am loosing appetite on this topic. If the sun came out in the open in broad daylight and you can't see light you are blind and we have many blind mindedness but very active through Bantaba. Who the cap fits let them wear it. |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 13:37:23
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| If one looses appetite in any given topic one can just varnish in oblivion and keeps ones mouth shut. Those who do not want to contribute are not contributing. It's so backward for humans to take roles that they are not assigned. |
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 13:49:18
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Somita the fact of the matter is,everty Gambian today knows that there is a severe descrimation based on tribalism happening in the GambIa today.Do you want to deny that the top civil post of 60 percent (or now even more hence Jammeh fires on daily basis) is not occupied by the Jolas I will soon proof my points will the name of all the jolas and their position in the Gambia, ranging from commisioners, managing directors,permanent secs, seefoos, and even alkalos.the home work is presently going on and the result will soon be pulished soon, you will be sucked.The Gambians knew about it, they wouldn't say publicly because of the simple lack of freedom of selfexpression in the Gambia.Is better we debate on the issue on this bantaba, may be this way the authorities will indeed be aware that indeed there is need for creating equal opportunies for every Gambain deviod of tribe affiliation.
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"Lets face it, large percentage of the civil service car drivers in Greater Banjul area are jola's this was the case for many years well before Jammeh because Jolas hardly send their childeren to school and those that make it stops in secondary school."
IF THIS IS SO HOW COMES ALL OF A SUNDDEN ALL THESE KEY POSITIONS ARE OCCUPIED BY THE JOLAS.Then one should not be suprise of the underperformance of some gov. departments, hence incompetency. THE BEST WAY TO DETECT DESCRIMATION IS CONSIDER THE NUMBER OF JOLAS IS TOP CIVIL POST ASGAINST THE REST, THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF JOLAS IN THE NATIONAL POPULATION AGAINST THE REST.
I AM AFRAID WE HAVE TO SAY THIS, FOR FAILURE TO DO SO WILL LEAD TO A REVENGE IN THE FUTURE IF ANOTHER TRIBEMAN COMES TO POWER.THAT WILL SURELY LEADS US TO MORE DESASTER THAN SAYING IT NOW.SO TO PREVENT THAT LETS CALL A SPADE A SPADE AND FIND SOLUTIONS. |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 14:27:25
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Most Swedes with Gambian connections are now interested in a gambian's tribe than his nationality. This was not the case before. More specific examples on this will come, so dont be in a hurry.
That was a sensible comment and I can agree to that. Looking forward to more.
You ask me to turn to Gambians for knowledge. How about a polite answer next time? |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 14:32:16
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| Dembish, I am totally in for critical and constructive dicussions of tribalism. It's the scourge of black African politics. Those that condoned it dont want it discussed. I do feel sorry for those that are being eaten up by tribalism. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2006 : 15:30:41
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Originally posted by bamba
If one looses appetite in any given topic one can just varnish in oblivion and keeps ones mouth shut. Those who do not want to contribute are not contributing. It's so backward for humans to take roles that they are not assigned.
There is no way that I would vanish. Am sorry to hear some of your comments with the man of your calibre. The debate is still on but a lot of rubbish is coming up including some stupid remarks you've already made which I will review in due course. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 May 2006 : 15:41:10
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I am reading all of this and not commenting until now.
Tribalism can have terrible consequences and it frightens me when I hear it in a Gambian context....especially when linked with revenge.
It is SO negative and once it is unleashed the damage may be much more that ever intended..but it cant be stopped.
You are all Gambians together, all muslims. What does the Muslim faith have to say about tribalism?
To move forward you need to unite as brothers and sisters. Put the past and tribal differences to one side and unite for the good of The Gambia and the generations to come.
Try to be positive in these difficult times. One day change will come. I just hope it will be peaceful and democratic. |
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