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kobo
United Kingdom
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toubab1020
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 Posted - 05 May 2006 : 00:14:57
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Originally posted by Biraago
Toubab1020,
In simple terms,
People identify themselves with a langauge, cultural rites etc.
It is not accidental that people that had lived in a particular area of the planet develop means of communication and social interaction. These developments are niether stagnant nor dependent of the people who originally invented them, they are there for the benefit of the whole of himanity.
The world is now inhabited by over 6 billion people and we are all one single nation on a single planet.
So being the case, all the natural and fantastic inventions of the human race should be shared by all it's inhabitants. Be it a language, cultural rites, technical invention etc.
I just want to tell you that, this monster called tribe has no place in a modern society. It is only those who prefer to be backward or those who want to use others for their selfish personal intrests who would advance the notion of tribal affiliation in this day and age.
OK, I understand now thanks for the clarification,your final paragraph totally summs up all the discussions that have gone before.
thanks again. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2006 : 00:33:04
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| Biraago thanks. Am very impressed with your clarification in simple terms! You have totally shattered class struggle, materialism or any rat race kind of domination and manipulation of the human race. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 05 May 2006 : 00:42:33
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Biraago, I have to thank you, too. It looks as if my knowledge of the Jews is very shallow... |
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 05 May 2006 : 10:57:51
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Biraago, let's not forget onething. The sharing of know-how and technology in this our rotten planet is shrouded in secrecy, greed and racism. If the story was otherwise, many natural catastrophes with huge death tolls could have been prevented. There are monopolized technologies that are able to see natural catastrophes before the hit our planet. But the price tag for the acquisition of such technologies is not usually available by poorer nations.
This is just one of the horrors of our planet some, the unfortunate races, are forced to live with. |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 05 May 2006 : 14:48:12
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Thanks Bamba,
I think this the essence of the Global struggle against monopoly, Chauvinism, the feudal oligachy and the crude and heartless capitalist or any other ists who do not subscribe to the respect of SOCIO-ECONOMIC JUSTICE.
We ourselve must also desist from racial and other forms of adressing the common global problematic. We must be cooperative and creative couple with the basic tenets of a solidarity (mutual support) oriented development. We must ride above the tides inorder to create a new world order, if not, we shall sink like the ones we are seeing all around us. The people with such bacward ideologies always end up eating up each other.
Technological advancement cannot be secretive to us, if we are the inventors. We must blame ourselves as we blame the sad our part of our history. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2006 : 02:49:57
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| I believe we have enough food of thoughts from the articles of our renown intellectuals, Dr. Sulayman Nyang and Dr, Abdoulie Saine respectively, where pragmatic solutions and answers are available to deal with social justice, civil liberties and the odd scenarios of tribalisms mentioned and construed to existed or existing presently; hampering the nation's progress inter alia. I believe that we are on one stage of development and any constraint addressed would lead us to another. Therefore we need to benefit from the Global context and tests the application of some political systems to level the field as whether they are solutions to our typical situation. In this regard am asking, what is communism as define? What is Jucee ideology? Are they relevant or are they solutions to the concept of tribalism? This is just to test the tools of communist political systems as we have highlighted some western methods already? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2006 : 08:35:27
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| To put it in another dimension what can we learn from these two political concepts, theories or ideologies, that is communism and socialism? Are they relevant to sort out tribalism and any form of discrimination; Do they apply or can help typically Gambian political situations, state and social development? |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 09:18:51
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| I know that if a black man mates with a white woman or vice versa the product is neither white nor black but a mixture of both ; what is called metisse or half caste so to speak. we have a lot of Gambians whose parentage is mixed so can we safely call any of them as belonging to one tribe that is from the father or mother in in . i think not . So with this case in view, I belief we can move on with life as we have amny who in our dear motherland Gambia cannot ruthfully claim to belong to one unique tribe because of that mix breeding. The harmony that we enjoyed should not be tainted by the narrow selfish and crazy sentiments of a few bandits who feed on this line of discordant misconseptions to create enemity between ordinarilly happy relationships. It is a fact that we have enjoyed the concept of cousinage de pleasantry Joke cousinery between many tribes and family names which cemented those relationships and created bridges rather than barriers as are now seemingly loomimg in the Gambian political and cultural horizons. Shame on those who have transgressed those sanctified bonds of friendship and love for their own devilish designs and I say now that they will not suceed . Long live the Gambia and Long live inter tribal harmony.Let us follow the path of love and shun the devils call to pitch our heads together in distuctive conflicts that only end in glomy doom. Having said that the focus is to remove the major evil and that is the dictator in BANJUL |
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kassma
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 10:01:50
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Originally posted by serenata
BornAfrican is right. I saw Africans in Germany to be each other's devil, and many times tribalism was behind this. I asked myself if these people didn't realize the situation they were in, a situation that would demand to help each other by all means: A foreign country with many hostile people, a difficult job situation, and so on. In the end, nobody had any advantage from this. So, why not learn from the successful Jews instead of hating them?
i really do admire the jews. there are jewish communites all over america where they uphold their traditions, you see them with their hair and hats on, really its a beautiful sight to see a people who got it together. us on the other hands, Gambians actually talk about moving away from other Gambians instead of joining each other and forming communities. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2006 : 12:58:28
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| Kassama crude way of traditinalism is not the way forward. If you maintain your traditions you live like an Island. We should integrate based on mutual respect and share good common values. There is no better sytem than the other. Mankind and the human race is one and we need to be guided by civilisisation and rationale. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2006 : 13:35:49
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Originally posted by kobo
To put it in another dimension what can we learn from these two political concepts, theories or ideologies, that is communism and socialism? Are they relevant to sort out tribalism and any form of discrimination; Do they apply or can help typically Gambian political situations, state and social development?
I have made some research and would culled in some relevant materials to help us with our ultimate tests and criteria for "Equality or Equal Rights and Justice". Any form of discrimation include:- Race, Creed, Colour, Religion, Beliefs, Sex, Physical well being and Disability etc etc. We would realised that tribalism is part of the phenomema of Creed and we have more complexities toresolved that thought to bring peace, progress and stability in not only the motherland but globally.
To me lets attempt leaning something about Communism and Socialism and select, refine, streamline our discussion on the positive information from them in our social studies looking for new resolutiuons to chart a beter course for the motherland. Starting with communism.
COMMUNISM
Communism refers to a conjectured future classless, stateless social organization based upon common ownership of the means of production, and can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement. Communism also refers to a variety of political movements which claim the establishment of such a social organization as their ultimate goal.
Early forms of human social organization have been described as "primitive communism." However, communism as a political goal generally is a conjectured form of future social organization which has never been implemented. There is a considerable variety of views among self-identified communists, including Maoism, Trotskyism, council communism, Luxemburgism, and various currents of left communism, which are generally the more widespread varieties. However, various offshoots of the Soviet (what critics call the "Stalinist") and Maoist forms of Marxism-Leninism comprise a particular branch of communism that has the distinction of having been the primary driving force for communism in world politics during most of the 20th Century. The competing branch of Trotskyism has not had such a distinction.
Marx held that society could not be transformed from the capitalist mode of production to the communist mode of production all at once, but required a state transitional period which Marx described as the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat. The communist society Marx envisioned emerging from capitalism has never been implemented, and it remains theoretical. However, the term "Communism", especially when the word is capitalized, is often used to refer to the political and economic regimes under communist parties which claimed to be the dictatorship of the proletariat.
In the late 19th century, Marxist theories motivated socialist parties across Europe, although their policies later developed along the lines of "reforming" capitalism, rather than overthrowing it. The exception was the Russian Social Democratic Workers' Party. One branch of this party, commonly known as the Bolsheviks and headed by Vladimir Lenin, succeeded in taking control of the country after the toppling of the Provisional Government in the Russian Revolution of 1917. In 1918, this party changed its name to the Communist Party, thus establishing the contemporary distinction between communism and other trends of socialism.
After the success of the October Revolution in Russia, many socialist parties in other countries became communist parties, signaling varying degrees of allegiance to the new Communist Party of the Soviet Union; see Communist International. After World War II, regimes calling themselves communist took power in Eastern Europe, and in 1949, communists in China led by Mao Zedong came to power and established the People's Republic of China. Among the other countries in the Third World that adopted a communist form of government at some point were Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Angola, and Mozambique. By the early 1980s almost one-third of the world's population lived in Communist states.
Since the early 1970s, the term "Eurocommunism" was used to refer to the policies of communist parties in western Europe, which sought to break with the tradition of uncritical and unconditional support of the Soviet Union. Such parties were politically active and electorally significant in France and Italy.
Communism carries a strong social stigma in the United States due to a history of anti-communism in the United States. However, many sections of South America, Central America and Latin America continue to have strong communist movements of various types.
With the collapse of the communist governments in eastern Europe from the late 1980s and the breakup of the Soviet Union on December 8, 1991, communism's influence has decreased dramatically, though it is still much stronger throughout Europe than it is, or ever was, in the United States. Around a quarter of the world's population still lives in Communist states.
Source: Free Encyclopedia
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 15:08:52
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| Of all this tribal problem in the Gambia brothers, the root I believe is one person and thats is no other than The ignorant Gambian Leader.Just look and his aproach to the whole issue (trbalism).Is comtrary to all what the professor(mr Saine and mr Nyang) said.And I believe there is still an ample change to restore a codial intertribe relationship The Gambia, But will be impossible or rather difficult as long as the gambia is ruled by Yaya Jammmeh. |
There is no egg without a chicken, and no chicken without egg. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2006 : 17:00:36
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Tribalism is black Africa’s malign cancer tumour that is so far resistant to all “political chemotherapies” to rid of it. The tumour itself is innate and handed down genetically. New “political drugs” befitting modern times are in dire demand to arrest the seemingly genetically spreading tumour. The scourge of tribalism has many faces, expressions, in different black African countries. But one common denominator is tribalism impedes meaningful progress on a broad spectrum in all black African countries.
Dealing with tribalism from a general perspective can tantamount to oversimplification of the problem. The specifics and modalities of tribalism should be distinguished to properly deal with the problem. Advocating for the abolition of tribalism without a critical review of the problem, amounts to a share waste of time.
From what I can see, tribalism and racism are very sensitive issues in Bantaba. But no-matter how sensitive these two issues are, they have to be critically and constructively reviewed for the benefit of all.
My contribution to this topic continues with a review of tribalism as practiced by Gambians in Sweden. Gambians that came to Sweden lately brought with them tribalism that they, unbeknown to them, handed to Swedes as ammunitions. Jesus once said, “Forgive them lord for they know not what they are doing”. Swedes are now using these ammunitions handed to them by Gambians to shoot at Gambians. Swedes are now sorting Gambians according to tribes and where they hail from in Gambia. Gambians are now urban bandits and rural hicks. Swedes opt for the latter for they are more subservient to whites. But that’s a myth and not true at all. At this point, let me say that what is sauce for sweden is sauce for any other European country and even America.
One of my best friends here is a mandinka and am a Wolof. But the levels of our brains cement us together. Ordinary people bothered by tribalism do lack brains to help them break the boundaries of tribalism. Ordinary people bothered by their birth and where they hail from will always use tribalism as a tool. Tribalism as a political tool will follow in subsequent issues.
It’s very sad to say that Swedes are now using Gambian tribalism to sort out Gambians for their own sexual needs with blacks. The story seems to be the same in the Diaspora.
The debate will continue.
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Edited by - bamba on 06 May 2006 17:04:44 |
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truevoiceof bakau
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 May 2006 : 20:43:48
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| i just feel sorry for the jola after jammeh as they are going to have hard time as everyone will be out to get them |
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