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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:07:31
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Seranata,
i am glad you understand what i am talking about and you have seen it among African tribes in Germany as well.
many a times, people say we should stop talking about history and delve on the present state of affairs. history is very important. we can use what happened yesterday to rectify the bad happenings today and shape up tomorrow to the desire and benefit of humanity.
Serenata, i believe in AFricanism. i was born among a certain tribe in the Gambia, but i never see myself as belonging to that tribe. i may be an outcast for that matter, but i am not ashame of it. the domain that matters here is Africa where we all belong and therefore it should determine our identity. if Africans were one tribe, i believe we would have been able to develop our own language which we will use as a language of science and technology. language is the number one prerequisite for development. in Germany for example, German is the language of science and technology so as every developed nation employes their national language as a language of science and technology. with all the rich languages and cultures in Africa, because of our tribal differences, Europeans had the chance to infilterate us and enforce their languages on us which we unfortunately use to educate our children. these are languages we first struggle to understand and then understand the ideas they are putting across. history teaches us that people in the Manding empire were writing well before Europeans came to AFrica. i am not saying Manding writing should have been the official language of the Gambia, but that could tell us that Africans could have developed a language that we will use to teach our children in schools. but because of tribal sentiments, no one wants to drop his language for another language. while we were and are still fighting each other, we have no time to come together and produce something productive such as a common language. the result is catastrophe. i have been to school with lots of people who dropped out. they were termed stupid because they performed badly at school. i know they are not stupid. they were taught in a language they cannot understand. we all have different levels of aptitude for languages different from our mother tongues.
unfortunately, tribalism has come to set us back. our leaders know our concept of tribism and they use it to manipulate us to gain their wants. i swear we can change things. there is nothing named "can't". |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:11:27
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Originally posted by serenata
The example I can give may not be very popular, because this special group is not very popular among Muslims. I mean the Jews, who are famous for helping each other in any country they are living. Very intelligent people, and we all should learn from them.
BornAfrican is right. I saw Africans in Germany to be each other's devil, and many times tribalism was behind this. I asked myself if these people didn't realize the situation they were in, a situation that would demand to help each other by all means: A foreign country with many hostile people, a difficult job situation, and so on. In the end, nobody had any advantage from this. So, why not learn from the successful Jews instead of hating them?
Seranata am afraid the way I perceived your postings may be different from your intention in posting it as relevant sceanario in the topic of tribalism. The Jews culture is entrenched in their beliefs, faith, religion or covenant and they try to comply with their cardinal principles, discipline, solidarity and go by the norms of the Tora. In this sense Christians and Muslims have there own rules and books of faith like the Bible and Koran and comply with its teachings respectively. However the other two religions have wider denominations and followers as these religion are proclaimed to be for MANKIND! generally, whether a Jew, Arab, White, Black or Asian. In that perspective the Jews are a small minority of the human race but very closely knitted. The only thing that I can buy or appreciate from your postings is the advise for Gambians to unite and be ready to help each other. Apart from that, the political context of highlighting the Jews is different from the tribalism we are trying to understand and address. Citing Jews expand the debate further to politics of the world and international politics. Thanks for your contributions. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:21:30
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Thank you, BornAfrican. Really, history can teach us a lot, and in the present situation of Africa a 'look over the fence' is very helpful. This is why I mentioned the American Indians above - sometimes I get the impression that their situation in some aspects (of course not all!) can be compared to the situation of present Africans. It was easy for white settlers, soldiers etc. to run around from tribe to tribe and tell them about alleged war plans of the neighbouring tribe. Then they sold weapons to every group, and alas! the Indians were killing each other, and the whites had both, profit and land.
Kobo, it was this single point I meant, and I meant it mainly for the diaspora. And this point, helping each other and realizing there are many obstacles to overcome, cannot be highlighted enough. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:22:15
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Originally posted by BornAfrican
Seranata,
unfortunately, tribalism has come to set us back. our leaders know our concept of tribism and they use it to manipulate us to gain their wants. i swear we can change things. there is nothing named "can't".
BornAfrican
With all said and done you finally came to the conclusions of Dr.Sulayman Nyang's lecture. However can you give us alternative solution as you rightly stated "i swear we can change things. there is nothing named "can't". |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:32:21
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Another small thing, Born African: Germany was a tribal society for a very long time, longer than most of the other European countries. The tribal chiefs in ancient Germany were very fond of being at war with each other. Later, the regional nobility did the same, and today, we have a strong 'tribal' thinking in Bavaria. Really, the Bavarians are regarded as something like a foreign tribe, and also in their own definition, they are different from the rest of Germany  |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:43:05
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| I read in the forum list that there is a posting from kobo, but my computer doesn't show it. Hm. I try again later. |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:54:47
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| Nice to see you all back again,what an educative bantaba, I am really learning a lot from you all, Kobo how was your day.Madiba I hope you are fine,how about you kondorong,serenata, bornafrican, Delton and every one else.Thanks all for contributions to this prudent topic yeasterday.Lets keep each other informed. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 20:56:07
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Serenat
He edited his posting. What the sytem does is as soon as you edit your posting it shows on the main page as the latest. If you read the time the editing was done, it will match with the time aginst the individuals name on the main page of bantaba. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:03:41
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DEMBISH,
Thanks am fine. I am very happy that we have shown all that we are a mature people and progressive. We disagree just to agree. Thats the way forward. I think as KOBO and the others intimate, the PAST is the PAST, lets devise strategies for the future Gambia. I know we can do it. I am here in the UK and many folks are doing very well academically and its their fervent desire to go back home one day sooner than later. My thnaks also goo to Momodou who has shown his true democratic principles by letting things flow freely. KUDOS bro. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:04:24
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| In communism and with highest order of social science in terms of equality. Is there any sort of tribalism or other "isms"? Any one with the knowledge of "Juchee ideology"? Any knowledge or sources available, can someone sent through this Bantaba Section 1 or review Section 1 of the consitution of these communist states that deals with equality or social justice? |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:10:24
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Just a cautionary note. Presentdays facts.
First of all Judendom is a religion and not a nation in the terms we could categorise Gambia, although it is termed so.
We should'nt fall into the propaganda of a so-called harmonious Jewish nation.
These people are expiriencing the same battles as Gambians even more brutal at times.
We should be aware that besides the so-called original twelve social, cultural and language groupings otherwise caled tribes of Israel with the chauvinistic dominance of the Yiddish and the Hebrew, there is open racism against the Falashas from Ethiopia and Eritrea and other groups found in South Africa and Uganda whom the Jews have now accepted through genetic (sad that a genetic test had to be done) evidence that they are "desendants of Harun - brother of Mosses.
Another group is the people who stayed behind in Pharoanic Egypt after the migration and the ones who went back to egypt because of the same harassement they suffer from other groups internally.
Also, after the great exodus, consequence of the european invasions, there is open and general discrimination of the Jews from North Africa by the ones from Western and eastern Europe. These battles are fought openly, in different institutions of the state and the Jewish diaspora, both economically and socially.
Besides there are those who converted to Islam or Chritianity (who are not Arabs but rather members of the original social groupings called tribes) who suffer even worst discrimination.
So we are not alone in the sruggle against sectionalism. We just need to be adamant and consistent. |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
119 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:14:50
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Originally posted by kobo
BornAfrican
With all said and done you finally came to the conclusions of Dr.Sulayman Nyang's lecture. However can you give us alternative solution as you rightly stated "i swear we can change things. there is nothing named "can't".
BornAfrican:
How can we change things?
kobo, education is the backbone of our civilization. unfortunately, most of us think going to school is being educated. i believe there is a thick line between the former and the latter. i consider being educated as being open minded. going to school is a good catalyst for such a mental state (open mindedness). the media plays a very important role in our mental development. without a good flow of information through the media, we are subjected to live in information-poor societies. governments of the day do know this. for this reason, they control the media and the only ifo. that seeps out is about the ruling parties' achievements. a good example is the Gambia.
if we could create an information rich society where people can analyse what is being passed to them (through the various media) and make good use of it, we will be able to break those psychological barriers between us. human beings fear what they don't know. we only speculate about things don't even have the faintest idea about. infact, this is one reason why racism is rife in Europe and America. but as younger generations begin to have enough information, that fear do evaporate. most europeans who didn't travel didn't know anything about Africans but as we all begin to be adventurers, we begin to know and appreciate each other's cultures.
how can we implement such in the Gambia. the Gambia government is the only institution that can bring about such a change. the government has to be realistic about tribalism and accept that it exists. therefore they should implement bodies that will be there solely to oversee that there is mutual understanding and respect among the citizenry, like we have bodies overseeing racial and gender equality here in Europe and America. we just don't have to believe that because we have co-existed peacefully for a long time, so things cannot change. human beings and their thoughts evolve.
A good example we can take here is our tourist industry. when APRC came to power, they relied so much on the image of the Gambia sold to the world by the former regime. they forgot that there are competitors out there always trying to woo tourists to other destinations. this affected tourism in the gambia in the subsequent year(s).
what i am trying to say here is that we are dynamic. we don't have to take our peaceful co-existence in the past for granted. we have to work on it constantly. we in the diaspora as well are not, and should not only good for sending for-ex back home, but our experience should also be sent back home. how can we do this? unfortunately, many will disagree with me, but we have to be on the ground in the Gambia to do this. we cannot always effect changes while being away. most of us don't want to go back home. by going back home, no matter how difficult the situation is, we can influence others who did not have the chance to see around the magnificient world, her peoples and their cultures. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:45:28
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Hi Biraago,
I have read your posting and I am very confused, exactly what do you mean?Can you please explain in terms that ordinary people can understand who like me have not had the benefit of being able to write such in depth social reviews of a very real problem.
I look forward to an answer that I can understand. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 23:07:34
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Originally posted by BornAfricanBornAfrican
With all said and done you finally came to the conclusions of Dr.Sulayman Nyang's lecture. However can you give us alternative solution as you rightly stated "i swear we can change things. there is nothing named "can't".
How can we change things?
racial and gender equality here in Europe and America.
Having read through your postings the only point I have taken note of is Institutionalising "Racial and Gender Equality". Thanks for that and the rest is not clear to me.
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 04 May 2006 : 23:16:18
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Toubab1020,
In simple terms,
People identify themselves with a langauge, cultural rites etc.
It is not accidental that people that had lived in a particular area of the planet develop means of communication and social interaction. These developments are niether stagnant nor dependent of the people who originally invented them, they are there for the benefit of the whole of himanity.
The world is now inhabited by over 6 billion people and we are all one single nation on a single planet.
So being the case, all the natural and fantastic inventions of the human race should be shared by all it's inhabitants. Be it a language, cultural rites, technical invention etc.
I just want to tell you that, this monster called tribe has no place in a modern society. It is only those who prefer to be backward or those who want to use others for their selfish personal intrests who would advance the notion of tribal affiliation in this day and age. |
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