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somita
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 19 May 2006 : 22:11:20
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Again am disappointed with Deminish remarks, as a research student/professor you have to be able to argue and convince the readers base on your facts published. You do not expect the readers like me to consume every line or be on the same wave length.(Unless you are like Jammeh who knows what every one thinks,should think and has to think without asking them).
I counter argued your own facts (sorry but i fine ti difficult to call them facts), its your duty to analysis them further, may be you will win a couple more people, may be me, dont assume that you have won over everybody by inserting statements such as "every Gambian" when you never conducted a poll about it. What do you know about what every Gambian thinks?
For Kondorong, gentleman I dont think I should appologise, firstly It wasnt a personal attack, appologise if it came out that way but I never attack people on their personal capacity. My concern has always been tribe can be a dividing factor, its controversial and very sensitive and require a sensitive approach not insertions. Lets be honest Demnish never researched, he made an insertion then the research( effectively he put the cat before the horse). The likelyhood is the results will reflect his opinion which might not be factual.
Good weekends, i have to catch my transport to London.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 22:13:03
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Take care and God be with you on your journey. Can i have some fish and chips please |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 22:39:56
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his name was General Robert Guei. sounds similar to Gaye but is not the same. i don't think there is a link.he was from an ethnic group near the liberian border.
its not just surnames that emerge as a result of migration but also whole Tribes, i think Wollof is generally taken to be a result of mixture of Tukulor and Serer.
but the french did move 'senegalese' soldiers and administrators to other parts of their empire eg in Madagascar. so its possible that you have offsprings of these soldiers. infact there is a sad story about children born to french african soldiers policing the Rhineland after Germany lost WWI and one of the first things the NAZIs did when they came to power in the 1930s was to round them all up and 'sterilise'/kill them.
ofcourse the world did not notice this only for history to repeat itself 10yrs later. |
Edited by - njucks on 19 May 2006 22:42:21 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2006 : 23:29:09
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Wow i never knew of that in Germany. You see this is why i say that we have to be each other’s keeper. On the whole Hitler affected even the Africans in Germany.
I feel empty a lot of the time knowing that one knows almost nothing.
Njuks you have become a history fan now. I thought you liked economics.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2006 : 00:09:55
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Last names have always been a source of identity in Africa. It is the social security equivalent in the United States or the National Insurance number in the UK. It is, if I may borrow the term, a genetic print of who you are. It also was used to determine which caste on belongs to.
For example, Sanneh, manneh, , sanyang are warrior classes; touray; fatty, Ceesay are from spiritual classes; Baldehs are rulers etc. Please note that this is just an example. Africa is as diverse as the tribes. In some countries there are over 50 languages. Some tribes are unique to only one locality whilst others like Fulani are widely spoken. Wollof is very unique to SeneGambia and so are Jolas to Cassamance, southern Gambia and Guinea Bissau.
What has happened is that overtime, people have moved to other areas where they are a minority and "changed" their tribe to fit in the majority but that does not make them that tribe as far as Africa is concerned. May be i will draw your attention to the African saying that " NO MATTER HOW LONG A PIECE OF LOG FLOATS IN A RIVER, IT NEVER TURNS INTO A CROCODILE". I had JALLOW classmates in Saloum who "claim" to be Wolof. It might be easy to know that Jallow is Fula but in 100 years, the generation that will come up will find it difficult to know who they are.
Kons, with due respect to your critical analysis, its alarming to see these oppinions from you. I think this one you got it wrong and never thought you have these crude ideology promoted by by praise singers who fabricates and diluted our complex rich cultural backgrounds.I think these statements are baseless and your went further to the bush towards introducing "caste or class systems theories" to justify claims, beliefs and your advocacy.
However can you tell me who you are and where you deemed yourself to be priviledged to belong before we continue our debate? I can reckon that this is the second time am seeing your thoughts to be inclined to this crude theory of acknowledgement and exercising justification for its existence rather than its elimination. Earlier I draw your attention to some derogratory remarks on "SALOUM SALOUM" you attempt to play with and repeated over and over again to carry your message. I noted that those statements should be weeded out of our vocabulary and put this discussion on hold as my priorities does not include this topic at the moment. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 00:44:40
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What has this to do with saloum saloum. Kobo are from saloum. You seem to suffer from an inferior complex. I am not from saloum but i am very proud of the people there. Very hardworking and honest people. I take some traditional examples their because i had my youth there and can give personal expeiences.
May be i should not use the word again. Kobo You are right and i am wrong. I think we can now move forward. MIGHTY KOBO IS IN THE HOUSE |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 00:59:25
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| We are working on resolutions and policy issues to address on a bigger scale "RACISM" which includes "Tribalism, nepotism and various forms of discriminations or segregations" and are manifested in different forms within our social fabric, structure and culture. Thats why I need to point out these trivial things but very potent and dangerous if they are left unattended or oversighted. However I am not yet finish with this topic and rest be assured hope to continue with it later after my priorities. Good night! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 01:10:58
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| You are always editing your postings. It makes it hard to know where you stand. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 06:29:09
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Originally posted by kondorong
You are always editing your postings. It makes it hard to know where you stand.
Am sorry about that as you have the potential always to react very swift! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 07:04:49
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Originally posted by kondorong
What has this to do with saloum saloum. Kobo are from saloum. You seem to suffer from an inferior complex. I am not from saloum but i am very proud of the people there. Very hardworking and honest people. I take some traditional examples their because i had my youth there and can give personal expeiences.
May be i should not use the word again. Kobo You are right and i am wrong. I think we can now move forward. MIGHTY KOBO IS IN THE HOUSE
I disagree with you on these dodgy points as you did not answer my question; that allows you to be priviledged with them, claim to yourself the group you belong and all the your titles you feel you need and entitled to, as seen or depicted from your own scenario or context from those postings, rather you asking me another question where I am from and whether I suffer from inferior complex and dodging my question?
The answer to your question is; "I have the pride and honour to state that am clearly a typical Gambian like you 100%, as I am not bothered about being a jola, mandinka, wollof, fulla, serehule, serer, mankamang, mannyago or whatever groups are available to affiliate or connect yourself with by ancestral, descendant or cultural norms. If you have a different outlook you can blow your own trumpet and hit any tunes or lyrics you want for your own good? Ultimately you would realised how common peoples'we are and that my answer is a statement of fact, more appropriate and more sensible for the outlook we need to focus on to share the national cake, address Gambian policy issues and politics.
All said and done, I would appreciate an answer (if possible or available) to my first question from my earlier intervention on this topic. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 20 May 2006 : 11:13:50
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Mankamang???
what ethnic group is that?? i dont think there is one called Mankamang. perhaps someone should name/list all the tribes/ethnic groups so we are all at the same level. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 11:24:41
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Its just used as a word to make things more elaborative but just confine yourself on the five major tribes of the Gambia as stated in history books and social studies. However please note that the historical order have changed massively towards the present modern order with more diverse peoples in particular Gambia Njucks.
Read the following and you will be updated that now we have more than five major tribes
http://allafrica.com/stories/200605190867.html
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2006 : 10:46:44
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| Kons "kaira laate" I have more ideas on this topic and waiting your reactions to continue our discussions. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2006 : 10:52:33
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ive read it but i'm sorry Kobo, i still dont get what you're trying to point out to me.
please just say it in simple terms so i can understand. major or minor every one is equal under the law i think. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2006 : 11:10:37
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| Njucks thats the point. The lines of thoughts from earlier postings were addressing this topic between two of the major tribes and did not reflect that Gambia is so diversed nowadays and both major and minorities are equal under the law like all other countries. |
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