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MADIBA
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 Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 13:47:33
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Arenīt Jeng and Jaiteh common wolof names from Saloum?
kiwi01,
Jengs are two different types. Jeng-Sala and Jeng-Bela(Guewell). Jeng too can be Fullah. My mothers father came from Rosso Senegal and was a Fullah with the second name Jeng.Even some of my uncles speak only Pullar and Hassania. There are many of them even in Basse too. Jeng can also be NARR.There are some of them who dwell in Barra. Most of the Jengs in the Sahara region speak Hassania or Pular. I think most of these names have changed withn all language groups because of migration and intermarrage.
As we say the second name has no home. Today it can be Bambara and tomorrow Wollof. It is only the Jelis that are spread all over in all language groups. Even they too are building bridges so as to make it for all people. Not only for the Jelis.
Jaiteh-Kaba are they also Wollof?
Kondorong the written wollof of today can be new to you. You have not yet started to read wollof books. I would suggest if you try to get one. Being able to speak wollof without being able to write it is a pity. We are in the 21 century .Now adays people graduate in the language. There are books and even dictonaries. It is time to make our languages readable with the Latin alphabeth. This we do today with the Arabic one. We must make our languages readable and with digrees so as to let other people learn it. Like English or French. I see that you have lost contact with Senegambia. There are developments that you are not awear of. If you do not belive me , please contact the Arts Council Gambia for conformation. The Wollof teachers in Stockholm have written wollof from Senegal. Gambia has non.
I hope in the feature we have wollof in our computers and even read signboards in Wollof. In Senegal the development is on the way.
Koto,
I agree with your posting except the highlighted one. SANTA AMUT KERR(a surname has no home), is great distortion of our comtemporary history. All surnames have origins but because of inter-marriages, migrations and conversion of faith( animist/christian to Muslim ). Like my mother is not a Fula, if my Dad never spoke Fula to us or our relatives in the provinces don't visit us we would have been speaking my mother's language. We as children used to go to the provinces on vacation and our cousins who have both their parents as Fula taught us the fluent Fula.
The other reason why some surname as present in other tribes is becos of changing faith, there are Njies today in The Gambia who are in fact Manjago, there are Marenahs who are Manjagoes, the list goes on and on.The elders in such families know their true origins. Attimes they tell their children attimes they don't. This results in the children losing their original identity.
On migration some people in order to settle properly take the familyname of their hosts as a sign of loyality. |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 15:16:13
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Alhassan,
The Jeng/Jaiteh family I know lives not far from Sotokoi and Kudang. The late fatherīs name was Jeng. The mother is a Jaiteh and originates from the Senegales side of Saloum. They regard themselves as wollofs, but like most Gambias they communicate in several languages as well. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 15:45:11
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Alhassan,
The Jeng/Jaiteh family I know lives not far from Sotokoi and Kudang. The late fatherīs name was Jeng. The mother is a Jaiteh and originates from the Senegales side of Saloum. They regard themselves as wollofs, but like most Gambias they communicate in several languages as well.
You are right. I remembered Jais(Jaiteh Kaba)from Banjul who died in Stockholm. He spoke wollof and was wollof but the surname was not a wollof suename. I have some friends from Dakar Sidibeh nowadays they only speak Wollof and not Sonninke. The Manjakos Njie have it from my great, great grandfather Abdou Njie(The grreat Jeli of the king of Casa di mansa) the father of Khali Njie. The Njies of Khali can still be found in Cassamance and the Gambia. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 18:37:57
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Arenīt Jeng and Jaiteh common wolof names from Saloum?
kiwi01,
Jengs are two different types. Jeng-Sala and Jeng-Bela(Guewell). Jeng too can be Fullah. My mothers father came from Rosso Senegal and was a Fullah with the second name Jeng.Even some of my uncles speak only Pullar and Hassania. There are many of them even in Basse too. Jeng can also be NARR.There are some of them who dwell in Barra. Most of the Jengs in the Sahara region speak Hassania or Pular. I think most of these names have changed withn all language groups because of migration and intermarrage.
As we say the second name has no home. Today it can be Bambara and tomorrow Wollof. It is only the Jelis that are spread all over in all language groups. Even they too are building bridges so as to make it for all people. Not only for the Jelis.
Jaiteh-Kaba are they also Wollof?
Kondorong the written wollof of today can be new to you. You have not yet started to read wollof books. I would suggest if you try to get one. Being able to speak wollof without being able to write it is a pity. We are in the 21 century .Now adays people graduate in the language. There are books and even dictonaries. It is time to make our languages readable with the Latin alphabeth. This we do today with the Arabic one. We must make our languages readable and with digrees so as to let other people learn it. Like English or French. I see that you have lost contact with Senegambia. There are developments that you are not awear of. If you do not belive me , please contact the Arts Council Gambia for conformation. The Wollof teachers in Stockholm have written wollof from Senegal. Gambia has non.
I hope in the feature we have wollof in our computers and even read signboards in Wollof. In Senegal the development is on the way.
How sure are you that written wolof is new to me?
Jaiteh is and never was a wollof name. Its the lastname of a dialect of the Mande People called the JAHANKA. They live mostly in Bundu and are muslims. A very closed knit group who dont marry outside their family. Its typical for two brothers to give their children in marriage to each other.
Until very recently, they never embraced western education. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 21:01:43
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| Serious question: if cousins are given in marriage to each other, doesn't that mean that the Jahanka people have a lot of (mentally) handicapped children between them? |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 21:23:11
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Originally posted by anna
Serious question: if cousins are given in marriage to each other, doesn't that mean that the Jahanka people have a lot of (mentally) handicapped children between them?
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 21:27:43
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| That's a relief! But it seems strange, because here marriage between firstline relatives is not really allowed - just for this reason! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kiwi
Sweden
661 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 21:28:37
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Kondorong,
are you saying that a Jaiteh who says that she is wollof is not wollof and does not know where she comes from? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 22:50:06
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Kondorong,
are you saying that a Jaiteh who says that she is wollof is not wollof and does not know where she comes from?
I am not sure about the issue of where she comes from, but Jaiteh is not wollof. Jaiteh is from a tribe called JAHANKA which is part of the larger Mande speaking people.
Forexample jAHANKA will call peanuts as TIGO whilst a mandinka will call the same thing as TIYO. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 00:57:01
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Kiwi01 it's a small world I have visited Rosso Senegal in 1992 and again in 96. I purchased a Wolof learning manual from Timbuktu Book shop at Kairaba Ave in 04 called "KU Begga Akkara neme kaani." IBSN 9983-900-11-4. Along with Pular and mandinka books. I think its of paramount importance that African children where possible become literate in their mother tongue.
Peace
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 01:45:53
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Kiwi01 it's a small world I have visited Rosso Senegal in 1992 and again in 96. I purchased a Wolof learning manual from Timbuktu Book shop at Kairaba Ave in 04 called "KU Begga Akkara neme kaani." IBSN 9983-900-11-4. Along with Pular and mandinka books. I think its of paramount importance that African children where possible become literate in their mother tongue.
Peace
Sister Omega
AKKARA?
In Mandinka they say: NING TOOCHI DIYA TEYEH, IKA JAATO LEH SENNEH |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 14:15:57
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Arenīt Jeng and Jaiteh common wolof names from Saloum?
kiwi01,
Jengs are two different types. Jeng-Sala and Jeng-Bela(Guewell). Jeng too can be Fullah. My mothers father came from Rosso Senegal and was a Fullah with the second name Jeng.Even some of my uncles speak only Pullar and Hassania. There are many of them even in Basse too. Jeng can also be NARR.There are some of them who dwell in Barra. Most of the Jengs in the Sahara region speak Hassania or Pular. I think most of these names have changed withn all language groups because of migration and intermarrage.
As we say the second name has no home. Today it can be Bambara and tomorrow Wollof. It is only the Jelis that are spread all over in all language groups. Even they too are building bridges so as to make it for all people. Not only for the Jelis.
Jaiteh-Kaba are they also Wollof?
Kondorong the written wollof of today can be new to you. You have not yet started to read wollof books. I would suggest if you try to get one. Being able to speak wollof without being able to write it is a pity. We are in the 21 century .Now adays people graduate in the language. There are books and even dictonaries. It is time to make our languages readable with the Latin alphabeth. This we do today with the Arabic one. We must make our languages readable and with digrees so as to let other people learn it. Like English or French. I see that you have lost contact with Senegambia. There are developments that you are not awear of. If you do not belive me , please contact the Arts Council Gambia for conformation. The Wollof teachers in Stockholm have written wollof from Senegal. Gambia has non.
I hope in the feature we have wollof in our computers and even read signboards in Wollof. In Senegal the development is on the way.
How sure are you that written wolof is new to me?
Jaiteh is and never was a wollof name. Its the lastname of a dialect of the Mande People called the JAHANKA. They live mostly in Bundu and are muslims. A very closed knit group who dont marry outside their family. Its typical for two brothers to give their children in marriage to each other.
Until very recently, they never embraced western education.
kONDORONG,
nobody has said that Jaiteh is Wollof. I know different Jaitehs. I have a cousin who used to play KUTIRO with Hamat Njie(sewruba jalo). He is called Ebou Jaiteh. He is partly wollof and partly Mandinka. He speaks as good wollof as any other wollof but plays the Kutiro lika a Mandinka. Hamat Njie himself is Wollof but choose to play Mandinka musik which I think is very good. Tata Din dins mother is Nyang and Wollof. I still suggest you buy some Wollof books and make yoourself familier with them. I have not said that you cannot speak Wollof or Jaitehs are Wollofs.
Jaliba Kuyateh's mother is Wollof as her brother is Jeli Alhaji Mbye. Alhaji is too half wollof but plays the Kora. There are many examples I can give you.
If you want to get a BA or MA in Wollof you have to go to Dakar University. This is a fact. |
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kiwi
Sweden
661 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 22:22:47
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http://kcm.co.kr/bethany_eng/p_code4/1368.html
I donīt know if this site about JAHANKAs (Diakhanke) is reliable but it says that they are descendants of the Soninke.
Their native language is Azer, but as they mostly live among Mandinka populatio, they speak mandinka as a second language.
It also says that they value education and scholarship.
Here is another link about Jahankas
http://www.joshuaproject.net/peopctry.php?rop3=104152&rog3=ML
Anyway, I donīt see any connection to the family I know.
Sister Omega, what a pity I didnīt know about the book as a friend of mine went to the shop only two months ago. I agree that it is important that African children are taught to read and value their own language. May I ask you to read my posting The art of writing and reading? The meaning of the article is that in the near future we are not going to know how to write or read. Quite a provoking thought for us who enjoy reading and writing and probably pay fees for African children.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 21:01:17
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by Alhassan
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Originally posted by kiwi01
Arenīt Jeng and Jaiteh common wolof names from Saloum?
kiwi01,
Jengs are two different types. Jeng-Sala and Jeng-Bela(Guewell). Jeng too can be Fullah. My mothers father came from Rosso Senegal and was a Fullah with the second name Jeng.Even some of my uncles speak only Pullar and Hassania. There are many of them even in Basse too. Jeng can also be NARR.There are some of them who dwell in Barra. Most of the Jengs in the Sahara region speak Hassania or Pular. I think most of these names have changed withn all language groups because of migration and intermarrage.
As we say the second name has no home. Today it can be Bambara and tomorrow Wollof. It is only the Jelis that are spread all over in all language groups. Even they too are building bridges so as to make it for all people. Not only for the Jelis.
Jaiteh-Kaba are they also Wollof?
Kondorong the written wollof of today can be new to you. You have not yet started to read wollof books. I would suggest if you try to get one. Being able to speak wollof without being able to write it is a pity. We are in the 21 century .Now adays people graduate in the language. There are books and even dictonaries. It is time to make our languages readable with the Latin alphabeth. This we do today with the Arabic one. We must make our languages readable and with digrees so as to let other people learn it. Like English or French. I see that you have lost contact with Senegambia. There are developments that you are not awear of. If you do not belive me , please contact the Arts Council Gambia for conformation. The Wollof teachers in Stockholm have written wollof from Senegal. Gambia has non.
I hope in the feature we have wollof in our computers and even read signboards in Wollof. In Senegal the development is on the way.
How sure are you that written wolof is new to me?
Jaiteh is and never was a wollof name. Its the lastname of a dialect of the Mande People called the JAHANKA. They live mostly in Bundu and are muslims. A very closed knit group who dont marry outside their family. Its typical for two brothers to give their children in marriage to each other.
Until very recently, they never embraced western education.
kONDORONG,
nobody has said that Jaiteh is Wollof. I know different Jaitehs. I have a cousin who used to play KUTIRO with Hamat Njie(sewruba jalo). He is called Ebou Jaiteh. He is partly wollof and partly Mandinka. He speaks as good wollof as any other wollof but plays the Kutiro lika a Mandinka. Hamat Njie himself is Wollof but choose to play Mandinka musik which I think is very good. Tata Din dins mother is Nyang and Wollof. I still suggest you buy some Wollof books and make yoourself familier with them. I have not said that you cannot speak Wollof or Jaitehs are Wollofs.
Jaliba Kuyateh's mother is Wollof as her brother is Jeli Alhaji Mbye. Alhaji is too half wollof but plays the Kora. There are many examples I can give you.
If you want to get a BA or MA in Wollof you have to go to Dakar University. This is a fact.
Jaiteh is never anything but a JAHANKA. |
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salimina
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Posted - 06 Feb 2007 : 03:49:33
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Alhassan and Kondorong this topic is so educative. We should revisit it again.What really facinates me is the beauty of intermarriage and settling in an area that is predominantly one-tribe(one language)- that gave birth to jaitehs being another tribe other than jahanka.This not true of only jaiteh, but it translates to our way of belongings in this small and beautiful gambia.
Dilution of languages makes it so difficult to differentiate by just looking at a typical surname, is a blessing in a right direction. I wish it could be translates to peace and harmony.I think too many languages are a stumbling block to real development.
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