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shaka



996 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  17:16:00  Show Profile Send shaka a Private Message
Toubab, ham nga lan la!!! Start censoring yourself first with your prejudiced connotations before extending your censorship to others. Why do you always dig yourself into unnecessary problems you scummy little tosser?
quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

This is EXACTLY what Janko meant when he/she wrote:
"Why is it hard for Gambians to take any kind of critique but like to criticise left, right, centre? Is that a sign of a lack of perseverance, patience and the ability of dialogue? Is it possible to have a meaningful dialogue without criticising and being criticised?"
In topic:

http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8156

Still I suppose its quite colourful in some ways when you read phrases like.
"you scummy little tosser" and
"Just pull your pants up and walk away boy. You brought the shame to yourself not me."
" Pull your pants up and go seek help" and "Nyari just pull your pants up, ifanang. You are embarassing me now"


Hit The nail right on the head Janko.

Long live the Politicos

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kayjatta



2978 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  19:19:48  Show Profile Send kayjatta a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna

quote:
Originally posted by shaka
[In your second statement do you really expect us to discern to settle as indicative of Mr Sallah's attempt to break down paymnent of $11.4 million? You need serious help.


This question is outlandish. Halifa’s statement did not indicate any break down of payment or third party involvement in respect of the Almenta debt. What he have in fact indicated was that the $11.4million which represents the whole sum, was paid by the Gambia government, and this statement is without any qualification whatsoever. He did not make any mention of the EU’s involvement or indeed the so-called break downs you just talked about. We only got talking about the EU’s involvement when I brought it up. This is deceitful and Halifa knows it.

I underscore the word ‘settle’ in his statement only because that word, in the contextual sense therein, also means ‘pay’, and that is very significant because it connotes to the suggestion that the $11.4million debt was paid from the tax payers’ purse. Again, that too is decietful.

[quote]Originally posted by shaka

''Here is simple English for you: about 7 million is not equal to 7 million. It simply means nearly 7 million which in this case refers to $6.7 million.''


I have stated that I was paraphrasing your statement as it was not before me when I was writing my posting. Therefore you should not have expected me to quote your exact words. You should have placed emphasis on the contextual sense that I was projecting which is not about whether the figure was $7million or about $7million but how you ended up contradicting the very person whose position you professed to defend. But you know what? I won’t allow myself to be distracted by this pettiness of yours because I know it is borne out your frustration over the exposure of your Ayatollah. You just can’t bear to see the myth created around him being shredded into pieces. I will now return to the substantive issues once again, and I hope you will now provide an answer to my question. Also, Please be assured that I will not paraphrase anything this time around, I will quote you exactly.

By your postings of 1st September 2009 @ 22:00:24 and 20th September 2009 @ 11:37:46, you claimed that about $7million [$6.7million to be precise] of this $11.4 million debt was paid by the EU. However, Your Ayatollah’s July 22 statement unequivocally indicated that the whole $11.4million was paid by the Gambia government. He made no mention of EU’s involvement in the settlement of this debt. Not even the about $7million EU payment you alluded to. My position on this and without prejudice to your side of the story, is that even if I go by your story which goes on the line of EU paying about $7million [$6.7million to be precise] of the $11.4 debt, that still vindicates my point that Halifa Sallah had been deceitful in his July 22 statement because he has deliberately failed to acknowledge EU’s role in the liquidation of this debt even though he very well knows about it, thereby deceitfully leaving his readership with a palpable impression that the whole $11.4million bill was footed by the Gambian government and out of the tax payers’ coffers, something he very well knows is not true. Now here is the crunchy nuts question;

Given that you have claimed that about $7million of the $11.4 was paid by the EU, something that clearly contradicts Halifa Sallah's statement to the effect and without any qualification whatsoever, that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government. Can you now tell the readership which of the two statements is a dead lie, yours or he’s? Please do not disappoint the readership this time around by not answering this question.

By the way, if you think my expose’ of Halifa’s deceitful tendencies is borne out of hatred for him or that I am the only one knows about it, well may be you have not read what BBC’S Umaru Fofana who recently visited Gambia and interviewed Halifa, had to say about him. I leave you with and extract of his comments below.

Thanks


Unconvincing


''Mr Sallah has been secretary-general of the opposition People's Democratic Organisation for Independence and Socialism (PDOIS) since its establishment in 1987.
When asked about internal democracy - or the lack of it - within his party, he deviates into a history lesson, and then gets all philosophical.

Defending his long stay at the top echelon of the PDOIS, the former presidential candidate told me that his party was "in transition" from 1987 to 1994 when the military coup happened which banned all political parties. Once the ban was lifted in 1996, he said his PDOIS functioned up to 2001 when they formed an alliance with four other political parties under the National Alliance for Democracy and Development (NADD) - but this was an alliance that collapsed pretty much before it started. But Mr Sallah is still the PDOIS secretary-general 22 years on. He concedes the point but is quick to add that his party "operates on [the system of] collective leadership. Individuals who are in authority do not have individual powers… [because] there is no individual-centred leadership in the party," he said, sounding as unconvinced as he looks embarrassed.''



Courtesy of BBC’s Umaru Fofana.












In as much as we yearn for internal democracy in the opposition parties, we must understand that leadership in the opposition, especially PDOIS is a sacrifice rather than a priviledge as in the ruling APRC and some opposition parties like UDP . Political leadership in APRC (by the president) and to some extent in UDP by Darboe come with enormous priviledge unavailable in PDOIS. There is hardly any economic or social incentive for leadership in PDOIS. It is simply a sacrifice, although i would still like Halifa, Sedia and Sam concede responsibility more to newcomers and new faces who are willing to take the required sacrifices.
I will post a detail explanation of this point shortly...
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  19:25:18  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
One thing is for certain Shaka,NO one would vote for you in an election unless they were in Campama ,besides, I am quite happy in my dugout safe from all this rubbish that is being spewed out. No one wants to Censor anyone as you yourself can see, all the noxious fumes that eminate from the venom of your words used recently is left in place for everyone to view and make up their own minds if such a person as yourself can be taken seriously.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 28 Sep 2009 19:28:07
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Moe



USA
2326 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  22:54:41  Show Profile Send Moe a Private Message
How did you know about Campama and what servicesare provided Toubab1020,Mr tourist !!!,I told you Shaka he is a goddamn front. Toubab is from "DANDEH MAYO" and I know he will soon start speaking Chinese.............................................Peace
quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

One thing is for certain Shaka,NO one would vote for you in an election unless they were in Campama ,besides, I am quite happy in my dugout safe from all this rubbish that is being spewed out. No one wants to Censor anyone as you yourself can see, all the noxious fumes that eminate from the venom of your words used recently is left in place for everyone to view and make up their own minds if such a person as yourself can be taken seriously.


I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction

The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know .....
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shaka



996 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  23:13:52  Show Profile Send shaka a Private Message
Moe Toubab is spot on. Problem is i wasn't running for the village id-iot's elections. I know even he would beat me in that elections by a landslide. He is simply irresistible!!! Aye waye Toubab waye Toubab!!!
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Moe



USA
2326 Posts

Posted - 28 Sep 2009 :  23:15:38  Show Profile Send Moe a Private Message
Toubab Napakat ,"Gage Gi dafa Sambaraa" you ain't gonna catch NOTHING......................Peace
quote:
Originally posted by shaka

Moe Toubab is spot on. Problem is i wasn't running for the village id-iot's elections. I know even he would beat me in that elections by a landslide. He is simply irresistible!!! Aye waye Toubab waye Toubab!!!


I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction

The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know .....
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terangba



Egypt
225 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  02:56:09  Show Profile Send terangba a Private Message
One day some one will tell me what is the cause of lack of unity, there is a problem in Gambia and decent citizens cannot unite to tackle the problem. Instead of focusing on the problem we spend endless times arguing about nonsense.
This is the conclusion I came to. I think all of you need to sit yourselves and question why you oppose Haifa and Darboe.
Why is there a political impasse? Why this lasting so long?

I wonder if the aggressive opposition to Halifa and PDOIS will abate if Sedia takes over the helm. I wonder if the opposition to Darboe will abate if someone other than a Mandinka takes over the leadership of UDP.

God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  10:08:43  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
If the following question asked by TERANGBA could be resolved on a fully national Gambian scale this would go a long long way to bringing a full unity in all things that Gambians must face to become a developed country instead of a static developing country:

One day some one will tell me what is the cause of lack of unity, there is a problem in Gambia and decent citizens cannot unite to tackle the problem. Instead of focusing on the problem we spend endless times arguing about nonsense."

As you know I hate politics, I have quoted Terangba's words and used them in a GENERAL context (as opposed to a political one!) about ALL things Gambian and the attitudes of Most Gambians.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  10:52:31  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Sorry to have confused you, most people understand that American English is different from English as used in England,although generally both nations can understand one anothers' words!

quote:
Originally posted by Moe

How did you know about Campama and what servicesare provided Toubab1020,Mr tourist !!!,I told you Shaka he is a goddamn front. Toubab is from "DANDEH MAYO" and I know he will soon start speaking Chinese.............................................Peace
quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

One thing is for certain Shaka,NO one would vote for you in an election unless they were in Campama ,besides, I am quite happy in my dugout safe from all this rubbish that is being spewed out. No one wants to Censor anyone as you yourself can see, all the noxious fumes that eminate from the venom of your words used recently is left in place for everyone to view and make up their own minds if such a person as yourself can be taken seriously.




"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko

Gambia
1267 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  11:08:51  Show Profile  Visit Janko's Homepage Send Janko a Private Message
Terangba, point taken

Any leader whose only merit is “tribe” is not only corrupted but doomed to fail.

We have to be able to formulate a discursive atmosphere based on the idea of gambianism/gambianist/-gambianity. That each is judged according to his/her merits and contribution to the betterment of Gambia. The decisive factor for Yaya, Haifa, Darboe or Sedia to qualify as leaders of their parties should not be tribe but their ability to serve the interest of the Gambian people unconditionally.

If the ability to learn from history or from individual experiences is valid then there is no convincing reason not to attain unity based on the everyday realities we are faced with. The paradox with tribal discourses is that they are always; consciously or unconsciously driven and motivated by some antiquated ideas of “primitive societies” projected on others by outsiders in their quest to have a better picture of themselves. Which has its roots in the antiquated anthropological ideas of race and primitivism? So, the choice is ours, as civilized people in this century to seek unity in progress or barbarism in backwardness.

Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy

Edited by - Janko on 29 Sep 2009 11:11:29
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  12:40:00  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message


Well said Janko,my point exactly although you have put it is an extremly accurate way, I have just quoted the words used by Terangba

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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terangba



Egypt
225 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  13:04:39  Show Profile Send terangba a Private Message
Only when the best and brightest are allowed to lead will we see a difference. I totally agree with you Janko. No one wants to answer the hard questions. thanks

God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  13:27:04  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by terangba

Only when the best and brightest are allowed to lead will we see a difference. I totally agree with you Janko. No one wants to answer the hard questions. thanks



OK.... all the Bla Bla Bla is out of the way now can the discussion resume..........Do you wish to make a nomination ?

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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terangba



Egypt
225 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  14:57:33  Show Profile Send terangba a Private Message
Thanks for the challenge Toubab: There are many qualified Gambians but most are silent because people are not ready for change. Of all the known qualified and willing Gambians I think Halifa is ahead of the pack. If elections are held today and Halifa is a candidate I will vote for him. Below are my reasons:

Halifa has stood for the victims of the witch hunt. In fact he went to jail to defend powerless victims and at the end the witch hunt stopped because he made it a high profile case

He has spoken out when the six journalists were in jail and offered join them in jail.

He is smart and full of ideas, unlike many African politicians; he is not power hungry, he is not in politics to make money and make a name for him self. He has shown time and time again that he is willing to scrifice for the common good.

I have to add that it is highly unlikely for Halifa to lead a united opposition party in the near future because UDP is the major opposition party and will not surrender the leadership to PDOIS..

Selection of a highly respected Gambian who does not belong to either party is the key.

Does anyone want to add to this civil discussion in a respectful manner? Of once lets exchange ideas in a meaningful manner.

Brothers and Sisters read “Enter the Gambia The Birth of an improbable nation” by Berkeley Rice (1967)

ÏÑÓ


God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 29 Sep 2009 :  16:45:01  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Well done Terangba lets hope that others will join in on the terms outlined by you,(would be interesting if they do)

"Does anyone want to add to this civil discussion in a respectful manner? Of once lets exchange ideas in a meaningful manner.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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