 |
|
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
shaka
996 Posts |
 Posted - 15 Sep 2009 : 20:44:34
|
| I hope you spent enough quality time your shrink during your long absence. Not logged my arse!!! Do you need to be logged to see the contents of the Bantaba pages? What a load of loony rants!! Can you furnish me with the following before i could even contemplate your time wasting exercise: can you point us to 'Halifa Sallah's statement that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government [Gambian tax Payer]?' Can you point me where i said the Gambian government paid the whole $11.4 million to Alimenta? Can you also point to me where i or the IMF report said the EU paid $7 million instead of $6.7 millions? The only person making false accusations and fabrications to deceive here is Nyari. You are almost making me miss my football you lunatic. Go away will you. |
 |
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2009 : 21:03:38
|
Ohey! Ohey! don't go mad, you scummy little tosser. This is good stuff going into your little empty barrel and it's good for you, alright!
I have provided reference for you to follow. So I do not need to repeat myself. Use your senses to get there, ok. Anyway, could you kindly answer the question below;
Given that you have stated that $7million of the $11.4 was paid by the EU, something that clearly contradicts Halifa Sallah's statement to the effect that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government [Gambian tax Payer]. Can you now tell the readership which of the two contradictory statements is a palpable lie, yours or he’s?
Thanks |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
|
|
|
shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2009 : 23:16:14
|
| What friggin reference are you on about? Just highlight your points of reference and i will gladly get back to you. If according to you Halifa and i said 'the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government' can you please point it out to me. What about the $7 million, where did you get that figure from? How can i answer your above question when i did not say any such thing neither does Mr Sallah? Putting words into peoples mouths does not make them own it. I was only trying to point to you that your pants are on your ankle and your nakedness is exposed to the world. Just pull your pants up and walk away boy. You brought the shame to yourself not me. I provided facts and qualified data to expose your folly. Be a bit reasonable and point us to your facts. Is that so hard to ask? I do not want you to do a disappearing act again only to resurface in three weeks time with more toss. |
|
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2009 : 17:30:06
|
This is why I said you don’t know what you are talking about. You are just a mere ignoramus with ruffian traits that is merely rambling on an issue that he has no clue about. And your ineptness is not helping you either. That is why you are employing insults to compensate your inadequacies.
I am gonna have to excuse your memory lapse here as I understood from your postings that your are suffering from a severe down syndrome, and this makes it difficult for you to recall things you have said or written in the past. I will now answer your questions with clear cut references, i.e. dates and time of posting. I hope you will also be kind enough to answer the question that I have repeatedly asked here and which is stated herein below - at the bottom part of this posting.
'Can you point me where I said the Gambian government paid the whole $11.4 million to Alimenta?' – Shaka -posted 15th September 2009 @ 20:44:34
No, I did not state that you said this. God knows where you get this from.
'Can you also point to me where I or the IMF report said the EU paid $7 million?'- Shaka - posted 15th September 2009 @ 23:16:14
This is what you posted on the 1st September 2009 @ 22:00:24
‘In January 1999, the government seized the property of The Gambian Groundnut Corporation
(GGC)—a private company that had a monopoly on the processing and exporting of
groundnuts—without compensation. Alimenta, GGC’s parent company, submitted the case for
arbitration in July 1999. The dispute was settled out-of-court after the government paid
compensation of US$11.4 million to the company. The EU provided grant aid of about
US$7 million to help settle the case.’
What this is effectively saying is that; out of the US$11.4million, US$7million was paid for by EU tax payers’ money. This is certainly not the position adopted in Halifa Sallah’s July 22 statement. In fact, he made no mention of EU involvement in this saga.
'Can you point us to 'Halifa Sallah's statement that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government?' - Shaka -posted 15th September @ 20:44:34
This is what Halifa Sallah said in paragraph 12 of his 22nd July Statement
'They seized GGC with the objective of reviving GPMB only to end having to settle a 11.4 Million dollar liability emanating from international arbitration. Now the GGC is in the hands of the Government and it is up for privatization. Could the APRC government assure the Gambian people that it will derive 11.4 Million dollars from its privatization or has earned as much from its operations for the past fifteen years? I will listen to the president’s speech for reply.'
There is no mention of EU’s role in this statement, and what is clearly and effectively indicated here especially by the use of the word ‘settle’ is that the Gambia government actually paid the whole $11.4 Million debt. This is a very remarkable deception, and it is very surprising to have come from somebody like Halifa who persistently hold himself out to be a crusader for the enlightenment of the people. He deliberately chose not to acknowledge EU’s role in the liquidation of this debt even though he is very well in the knowing. His choice of the words ‘settle’ without any qualification whatsoever, was deliberately designed to leave his readership with the impression that the whole $11.4million bill was footed by the Gambian government and from the tax payers’ coffers. Otherwise why wouldn't he acknowledge the role of the EU in this saga if he sincerely meant to enlighten the people on this matter? You can't say he doesn't know about it, can you? The truth is, your Ayatollah is out and about to propagate deciet as a tool of propaganda and to personify himself as a grand political Ayatollah who is hell bent on building a fanatical followership that believes and accepts anything he says or do without questioning . This can only appeal to inept people like you.
I also don't believe that his [Halifa] 30yrs AFPRC/APRC rule claim was a typographic/human erro. I am convinced without doubt that this was classical Halifa Sallah trying to sex-up his statement, and nothing else.
Here is the gist of my posting; based on a purported IMF report you posted on the 1st September 2009 @ 22:00:24, you claimed, by your posting, that $7million of this $11.4 million debt was [I am paraphrasing here] actually paid by the EU. However, Your Ayatollah’s July 22 statement unequivocally indicated that the whole $11.4million was paid by the Gambia government. He made no mention of EU’s involvement in the settlement of this debt. My position on this grand contradiction, and without prejudice to either side is that even if I go by your side of the story, which goes on the line of EU paying $7million of the $11.4 debt, that still vindicates my point that Halifa Sallah had been deceitful in his July 22 statement because he has deliberately failed to acknowledge EU’s role in the liquidation of this debt even though he very well knows about it, thereby deceitfully leaving his readership with a palpable impression that the whole $11.4million bill was footed by the Gambian government and out of the tax payers’ coffers, something he very well knows is not true.
Now, here is the crunchy nut of this matter; Given that you have claimed, by your posting of 1st September 2009 @ 22:00:24, that $7million of the $11.4 was paid by the EU, something that clearly contradicts Halifa Sallah's statement to the effect and without any qualification whatsoever, that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government . Can you now tell the readership which of the two statements is a dead lie, yours or he’s? Pls don't disappoint the readership this time around by not answering this question.
By the way, the purported IMF reported you stated is largely irrelevant as its dwelling on this matter is limited in scope and does not go far enough to spell-out the entire facts of this matter, and that is understanable as this issue is only mentioned within a limited context. I know you don't understand it that way but that is only because you are a dummy.
Thanks
|
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Sep 2009 18:28:26 |
|
|
|
shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2009 : 11:37:46
|
| Nyari is your understanding of simple English this limited or is it for lack of facts that you try to take me on a circus expedition to draw me into your delusions. You're a real clown albeit a mentally challenged one. Otherwise how i can i begin to rationalise your blatant hatred for and attempted to tarnish the image of man who did nothing wrong to you. Here is simple English for you: about 7 million is not equal to 7 million. It simply means nearly 7 million which in this case refers to $6.7 million. In your second statement do you really expect us to discern to settle as indicative of Mr Sallah's attempt to break down paymnent of $11.4 million? You need serious help. There are a lot of wires crossed in that tiny brain of yours. Such reasoning can only emanate from a confused head. Pull your pants up and go seek help. |
|
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 20:40:27
|
quote:
Originally posted by shaka
[In your second statement do you really expect us to discern to settle as indicative of Mr Sallah's attempt to break down paymnent of $11.4 million? You need serious help.
This question is outlandish. Halifa’s statement did not indicate any break down of payment or third party involvement in respect of the Almenta debt. What he have in fact indicated was that the $11.4million which represents the whole sum, was paid by the Gambia government, and this statement is without any qualification whatsoever. He did not make any mention of the EU’s involvement or indeed the so-called break downs you just talked about. We only got talking about the EU’s involvement when I brought it up. This is deceitful and Halifa knows it.
I underscore the word ‘settle’ in his statement only because that word, in the contextual sense therein, also means ‘pay’, and that is very significant because it connotes to the suggestion that the $11.4million debt was paid from the tax payers’ purse. Again, that too is decietful.
[quote]Originally posted by shaka
''Here is simple English for you: about 7 million is not equal to 7 million. It simply means nearly 7 million which in this case refers to $6.7 million.''
I have stated that I was paraphrasing your statement as it was not before me when I was writing my posting. Therefore you should not have expected me to quote your exact words. You should have placed emphasis on the contextual sense that I was projecting which is not about whether the figure was $7million or about $7million but how you ended up contradicting the very person whose position you professed to defend. But you know what? I won’t allow myself to be distracted by this pettiness of yours because I know it is borne out your frustration over the exposure of your Ayatollah. You just can’t bear to see the myth created around him being shredded into pieces. I will now return to the substantive issues once again, and I hope you will now provide an answer to my question. Also, Please be assured that I will not paraphrase anything this time around, I will quote you exactly.
By your postings of 1st September 2009 @ 22:00:24 and 20th September 2009 @ 11:37:46, you claimed that about $7million [$6.7million to be precise] of this $11.4 million debt was paid by the EU. However, Your Ayatollah’s July 22 statement unequivocally indicated that the whole $11.4million was paid by the Gambia government. He made no mention of EU’s involvement in the settlement of this debt. Not even the about $7million EU payment you alluded to. My position on this and without prejudice to your side of the story, is that even if I go by your story which goes on the line of EU paying about $7million [$6.7million to be precise] of the $11.4 debt, that still vindicates my point that Halifa Sallah had been deceitful in his July 22 statement because he has deliberately failed to acknowledge EU’s role in the liquidation of this debt even though he very well knows about it, thereby deceitfully leaving his readership with a palpable impression that the whole $11.4million bill was footed by the Gambian government and out of the tax payers’ coffers, something he very well knows is not true. Now here is the crunchy nuts question;
Given that you have claimed that about $7million of the $11.4 was paid by the EU, something that clearly contradicts Halifa Sallah's statement to the effect and without any qualification whatsoever, that the whole $11.4 million was paid by the Gambia government. Can you now tell the readership which of the two statements is a dead lie, yours or he’s? Please do not disappoint the readership this time around by not answering this question.
By the way, if you think my expose’ of Halifa’s deceitful tendencies is borne out of hatred for him or that I am the only one knows about it, well may be you have not read what BBC’S Umaru Fofana who recently visited Gambia and interviewed Halifa, had to say about him. I leave you with and extract of his comments below.
Thanks
Unconvincing
''Mr Sallah has been secretary-general of the opposition People's Democratic Organisation for Independence and Socialism (PDOIS) since its establishment in 1987.
When asked about internal democracy - or the lack of it - within his party, he deviates into a history lesson, and then gets all philosophical.
Defending his long stay at the top echelon of the PDOIS, the former presidential candidate told me that his party was "in transition" from 1987 to 1994 when the military coup happened which banned all political parties. Once the ban was lifted in 1996, he said his PDOIS functioned up to 2001 when they formed an alliance with four other political parties under the National Alliance for Democracy and Development (NADD) - but this was an alliance that collapsed pretty much before it started. But Mr Sallah is still the PDOIS secretary-general 22 years on. He concedes the point but is quick to add that his party "operates on [the system of] collective leadership. Individuals who are in authority do not have individual powers… [because] there is no individual-centred leadership in the party," he said, sounding as unconvinced as he looks embarrassed.''
Courtesy of BBC’s Umaru Fofana.
|
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 26 Sep 2009 21:11:09 |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 00:39:29
|
quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Guys, despite your eluquent comments about this statement of Halifa Sallah, nobody seems to pick up two very fundamental flaws therein. One is a complete hyperbole and the other is an utter deciet. I hereby produce them below;
The hyperbole
'Let us look at the farming Community before going on to examine the conditions of the women and youth. The question now arises: What is the state of farming in the country after 30 years of AFPRC/APRC leadership'? – para 7 of Halifa's july 22 statement
The APFRC/APRC has being in power for 15yrs [1994-2009] not 30yrs as stated by the Ayatollah. This is a big exaggeration. It is unexcusable and should have caught the eyes of all and sundry.
The deception
'They seized GGC with the objective of reviving GPMB only to end having to settle a 11.4 Million dollar liability emanating from international arbitration. Now the GGC is in the hands of the Government and it is up for privatization. Could the APRC government assure the Gambian people that it will derive 11.4 Million dollars from its privatization or has earned as much from its operations for the past fifteen years? I will listen to the president’s speech for reply.' –para 12 of Halifa's july 22 statement
The Ayatollah has deliberately distorted the facts here. The $11.4 Million liability incurred by the Republic of the Gambia [ROG] as a result of the APRC's reckless mishandling of the GGC fiasco was paid by the European Union, not the APRC government. This is the truth and the Ayattollah knows it very well because it was an open secret.
I hope he will, in future, state the facts in their original form without any distortion or embellishment.
Thanks
Nyari please stop false impressions and distortions of facts Its a straightforward sentence about how much Gambia government was liable to pay and actually finally settled as liability. The facts are clearly stated its original form and even yourself made a similar comment and endorsed this $11.4 million liability as follows:-
1. Nyarikangbanna Posted - 21 Aug 2009: clock 18:10:23 that; " The government however lost the case to Almenta and was ordered to pay $11.4 million compensation and an additional $500,000 as cost. "
2. Government letter of requests refer to $11.4 liability required for settlement of the dispute under paragraph 4;
"4. The settlement of the dispute with Alimenta, which required the government to pay a total of US$11.4 million (of which US$6.7 million has been paid in 2001), and related issues have dominated the developments in the internal and external balances during 2001. 1 Accelerated payments to Alimenta through February and government payments (D 64 million) to commercial banks for nonperforming loans from the 1999/2000 crop season, together with underperformance in customs revenue, contributed to a fiscal outturn that is more expansionary than programmed. However, the government undertook corrective measures, including increases in the domestic prices of petroleum products and improvements in customs administration (e.g., the full implementation of the automated system for customs data—ASYCUDA)."
IMF website source of reference courtesy of Shaka; http://www.imf.org/External/NP/LOI/2001/gmb/02/
|
|
|
|
terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 13:23:16
|
While you argue about the validity of what Halifa said and did not say, APRC is ruling the Gambia at will and laughing all the way to the bank. Who is the fool? If you guys are half as smart you will be laboring to unite the opposition rather than sowing seeds of divide.
What is really going on here: is the underlying and the dirt underneath the carpet argument all tribal?
|
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
|
|
|
shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 23:27:30
|
| Why does everything revolve around tribalism with you Terangba? You ought to look at yourself properly before pointing at other people. |
|
|
|
shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 23:34:15
|
| Nyari just pull your pants up, ifanang. You are embarassing me now. Kids do peek in this forum as well, you know. |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 23:38:44
|
quote:
Originally posted by terangba
While you argue about the validity of what Halifa said and did not say, APRC is ruling the Gambia at will and laughing all the way to the bank. Who is the fool? If you guys are half as smart you will be laboring to unite the opposition rather than sowing seeds of divide.
What is really going on here: is the underlying and the dirt underneath the carpet argument all tribal?
Halifa's conclusion as quoted below can help address your concerns;
"Are we really on the road to liberty, dignity and prosperity for each sovereign Gambian in this sovereign Republic?
I now pause for your sincere reply.
To conclude allow me to say that during these past 15 years the sovereign Gambian people have cast their votes or remained apathetic because of political expediency. People generally knew what they were opposed to but did not care much about what they want and how to realise it. We must know what we are against and what we stand for in order to know who to support in Gambian politics. The moment for decision has come. We must now open our minds to all ideas in order to have all the views to be able to make informed choice.
We the people are the owners of power, the determinants of the leaders of nations and the architects of our own destiny. The battle of ideas has dawned. None of us could afford to be neutral. Each must take his or her place. What Gambia becomes after 2011 is entirely in each of our sovereign hands.
The insincere and the ignorant will always pay a price for their folly?
The future will tell and history will record or sovereign decision for posterity to pass its judgment on our generation.
Halifa Sallah"
|
|
|
|
terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 05:04:15
|
I am pointing out what you guys are dancing around, PPP and UP went through the same crap “the birth of an improbable nation". Most of you guys oppose UDP because of tribal reasons and some of you oppose PDOIS because of tribal reasons.
I wonder if the aggressive opposition to Halifa and PDOIS will abate if Sedia takes over the helm. I wonder if the opposition to Darboe will abate if someone other than a Mandinka takes over the leadership of UDP.
Look at the energy you spend attacking Halifa, and look at the energy YOU spend on defending Halifa.
We ought to look at all angles of the lack of unity. What am telling you is to spend your time looking at solution to our problems, these arguments are useless. APRC is laughing at you stupidity. You write long posts thinking you are smart but you are not. Smart Gambians are working on solutions and unity rather than these POLITICAL GRANDSTANDINGS. WHAT IS THE F(ing) POINT OF THESE FRUITLESS ARGUMENTS?
HOW ABOUT YOU START WRITING ABOUT HOW TO BRIDGE THE POLITICA DIVIDE; THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. APRC IS ENJOYING POWER WHILE YOU FOOLS ARE FIGHTING UNNECESSARY WAYS. WHAT A SHAME
Terang du bayee ken: TERANG be ka tu mo yeah. Ka bay Foo.
|
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
Edited by - terangba on 28 Sep 2009 12:23:45 |
|
|
|
Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:13:50
|
Loud & Clear, Halifa.
This is the next President of the Gambia speaking. Good luck, and thak care!
Another masterpiece form Halifa, here:
http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3469
where Jammeh/Gambia is desperately trying to preempt a senerio with Jammeh on the dock for Human Rights violations at the ECOWAS courts.
|
The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
|
|
|
toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:47:51
|
This is EXACTLY what Janko meant when he/she wrote:
"Why is it hard for Gambians to take any kind of critique but like to criticise left, right, centre? Is that a sign of a lack of perseverance, patience and the ability of dialogue? Is it possible to have a meaningful dialogue without criticising and being criticised?"
In topic:
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8156
Still I suppose its quite colourful in some ways when you read phrases like.
"you scummy little tosser" and
"Just pull your pants up and walk away boy. You brought the shame to yourself not me."
" Pull your pants up and go seek help" and "Nyari just pull your pants up, ifanang. You are embarassing me now"
Hit The nail right on the head Janko.
Long live the Politicos  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
|
Edited by - toubab1020 on 28 Sep 2009 15:56:09 |
|
|
|
shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 17:06:36
|
Er..ok! In nomine patri et fili et spiritus sancti!!!! By the way, while you are wondering loud about tribalism and 'tribalists' do you look at yourself and see the tribalism in you that you immediately recognise in others or are you simply qualified to read people's mind? Can you prove tribalism in any Bantaba discourse and if so where? Quel imbecile!! Go write some thesis, will you? For your information my defence of personalities is not limited to Mr. Sallah. It include you, the Sheikh, Nyari and anybody i deem is unjustly attacked. You just sit tight a little bit longer to know what stand i for or dig the archives. I burn liars, hypocrites, haters and delusional fantasists. Just keeping it real. Telling it like it is.quote:
Originally posted by terangba
I am pointing out what you guys are dancing around, PPP and UP went through the same crap “the birth of an improbable nation". Most of you guys oppose UDP because of tribal reasons and some of you oppose PDOIS because of tribal reasons.
I wonder if the aggressive opposition to Halifa and PDOIS will abate if Sedia takes over the helm. I wonder if the opposition to Darboe will abate if someone other than a Mandinka takes over the leadership of UDP.
Look at the energy you spend attacking Halifa, and look at the energy YOU spend on defending Halifa.
We ought to look at all angles of the lack of unity. What am telling you is to spend your time looking at solution to our problems, these arguments are useless. APRC is laughing at you stupidity. You write long posts thinking you are smart but you are not. Smart Gambians are working on solutions and unity rather than these POLITICAL GRANDSTANDINGS. WHAT IS THE F(ing) POINT OF THESE FRUITLESS ARGUMENTS?
HOW ABOUT YOU START WRITING ABOUT HOW TO BRIDGE THE POLITICA DIVIDE; THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. APRC IS ENJOYING POWER WHILE YOU FOOLS ARE FIGHTING UNNECESSARY WAYS. WHAT A SHAME
Terang du bayee ken: TERANG be ka tu mo yeah. Ka bay Foo.
|
Edited by - shaka on 28 Sep 2009 17:20:36 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
| Bantaba in Cyberspace |
© 2005-2024 Nijii |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
