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Moe
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 Posted - 30 Sep 2009 : 00:19:16
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I will Black tourist , That is after you start having an opinion and stop being on your knees all the time. Everyone knows what terangba is saying ,What are you saying Mr Pakalinding? You don't speak british English and it seems like you went to Pakalinding Secondary. The term that best describes you is an ignorant opportunist, who in their right mind is listening to you Toubab1020 apart from people feeling sorry for you ,you have no standards and straight up retarded ,no questions asked ..............................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by toubab1020
Well done Terangba lets hope that others will join in on the terms outlined by you,(would be interesting if they do)
"Does anyone want to add to this civil discussion in a respectful manner? Of once lets exchange ideas in a meaningful manner.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Sep 2009 : 00:43:06
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Originally posted by terangba
Only when the best and brightest are allowed to lead will we see a difference. I totally agree with you Janko. No one wants to answer the hard questions. thanks
The hard questions are continuously addressed by Halifa & compatriots. I referred you to his conclusion but rather than commenting or appreciating them you deviate on new agenda related to tribalism; for hatred, smearing campaign and more disillusions
However when I read your comments Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 14:57:33; I tend to understand what you stand for and want us to focus on! Respect bro
Quotes repeated again;
" Are we really on the road to liberty, dignity and prosperity for each sovereign Gambian in this sovereign Republic?
I now pause for your sincere reply.
To conclude allow me to say that during these past 15 years the sovereign Gambian people have cast their votes or remained apathetic because of political expediency. People generally knew what they were opposed to but did not care much about what they want and how to realise it. We must know what we are against and what we stand for in order to know who to support in Gambian politics. The moment for decision has come. We must now open our minds to all ideas in order to have all the views to be able to make informed choice.
We the people are the owners of power, the determinants of the leaders of nations and the architects of our own destiny. The battle of ideas has dawned. None of us could afford to be neutral. Each must take his or her place. What Gambia becomes after 2011 is entirely in each of our sovereign hands.
The insincere and the ignorant will always pay a price for their folly?
The future will tell and history will record or sovereign decision for posterity to pass its judgment on our generation.
Halifa Sallah"
On crossroad of opposition, unity and way forward these Bantaba Gambian Politics topics are relevant to help you pick some points and update us with what is at stake 2011;
1. Darboe Discusses his Alternative to Jammeh's rule under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8021
2. Halifa: THE WAY FORWARD FOR DEMOCRATIC CHANGE under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8158
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Oct 2009 : 20:04:27
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Originally posted by Janko
Terangba, point taken
Any leader whose only merit is “tribe” is not only corrupted but doomed to fail.
We have to be able to formulate a discursive atmosphere based on the idea of gambianism/gambianist/-gambianity. That each is judged according to his/her merits and contribution to the betterment of Gambia. The decisive factor for Yaya, Haifa, Darboe or Sedia to qualify as leaders of their parties should not be tribe but their ability to serve the interest of the Gambian people unconditionally.
If the ability to learn from history or from individual experiences is valid then there is no convincing reason not to attain unity based on the everyday realities we are faced with. The paradox with tribal discourses is that they are always; consciously or unconsciously driven and motivated by some antiquated ideas of “primitive societies” projected on others by outsiders in their quest to have a better picture of themselves. Which has its roots in the antiquated anthropological ideas of race and primitivism? So, the choice is ours, as civilized people in this century to seek unity in progress or barbarism in backwardness.
Janko, I couldn't agree with you more because you've said it all. These kind of tirades are only advanced by people who have no explanation for the positions they adopted. It is always better not to respond to them.
As for shaka, I will now leave him with his crudity and insolence since that is what he is left with. Although, he refuses to answer my question even though it was asked repeatedly -I suppose that is only because the answer now appears obvious- I have taken comfort from the fact that he has inadvertently vindicated the point I made against his Ayatollah when he started talking about EU money, something Halifa's statement never alluded to. He's lost the plot in the substantive debate, and no wonder he is now using insolence to compensate for his dismal performance.
I now rest my case
Thanks
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Oct 2009 : 20:51:01
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Nyrikangbanna; point taken
Interestingly, you and Shaka are different sides of the same coin, the advancement of Gambia. Secondly, you both have the ability to look right through the “eye of the storm” when the rest of us are busy covering our eyes from the debris.
What common ground can we find to harness this vast knowledge and passion for Gambia. We need that assemblage very badly and time … is running ...
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2009 : 12:38:08
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Please stop the personal attacks, pettiness, cyber fights and smearing campaign to focus on the important things general issues, general concerns, general problems, platform for common ground on strategic efforts for unity and winning This debate is not about Halifa Sallah, Darboe, Hassan Musa Camara or anyone as a scapegoat!
Refer related Bantaba Gambia politics topic; Some Foreign Diplomats Won't Meet the UDP under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8169
Quotes repeated again;
" Are we really on the road to liberty, dignity and prosperity for each sovereign Gambian in this sovereign Republic?
I now pause for your sincere reply.
To conclude allow me to say that during these past 15 years the sovereign Gambian people have cast their votes or remained apathetic because of political expediency. People generally knew what they were opposed to but did not care much about what they want and how to realise it. We must know what we are against and what we stand for in order to know who to support in Gambian politics. The moment for decision has come. We must now open our minds to all ideas in order to have all the views to be able to make informed choice.
We the people are the owners of power, the determinants of the leaders of nations and the architects of our own destiny. The battle of ideas has dawned. None of us could afford to be neutral. Each must take his or her place. What Gambia becomes after 2011 is entirely in each of our sovereign hands.
The insincere and the ignorant will always pay a price for their folly?
The future will tell and history will record or sovereign decision for posterity to pass its judgment on our generation.
Halifa Sallah"
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shaka
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Posted - 04 Oct 2009 : 22:23:08
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As for shaka, I will now leave him with his crudity and insolence since that is what he is left with. Although, he refuses to answer my question even though it was asked repeatedly -I suppose that is only because the answer now appears obvious- I have taken comfort from the fact that he has inadvertently vindicated the point I made against his Ayatollah when he started talking about EU money, something Halifa's statement never alluded to. He's lost the plot in the substantive debate, and no wonder he is now using insolence to compensate for his dismal performance.
I now rest my case
Thanks
Nyari mbulla bang. Rest my case my blue arse. The only case you got are figments of your imagination. It is a delusion that had threatens to do harm yo your well being. A delusion derived from passionate hatred of what you clearly do not understand. What you hate does not exist, it is what you think exist. Why can't you quit hating. Such delusions like 'you worked in the civil service' and had access to every information right from the top of government meant that you can make an uninformed statement like 'the EU paid the whole $11.4 million' Gambia government obligations to Alimenta. Delusions that a statement of Mr Sallah that says the Gambia government 'seized GGC with the objective of reviving GPMB only to end having to settle a 11.4 Million dollar liability emanating from international arbitration' meant Mr Sallah withheld information about the full breakdown of payment of the $11.4 million with the intention to deceive. Delusion that a siple typographical error by Foroyaa and not Mr Sallah meant Mr Sallah was altering dates and time with intention to deceive. You see Nyari, it is for these rasons and many others that i worry for your sanity. For even my toddler son can reason better than you. So intense is your fixation of hating Mr Sallah that you commit almost every sin that you accused him of. If i am wrong then can you provide us with your unimpeachable fact that the EU paid the whole $11.4 million as per your sacrosant source high up in government against the IMF facts? Are we right to call it a case of pots and kettles? By the way don't mind people obsessed with tribalism and 'tribalists', they are just small minds. |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2009 : 04:17:39
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Originally posted by kobo
Please stop the personal attacks, pettiness, cyber fights and smearing campaign to focus on the important things general issues, general concerns, general problems, platform for common ground on strategic efforts for unity and winning This debate is not about Halifa Sallah, Darboe, Hassan Musa Camara or anyone as a scapegoat!
Refer related Bantaba Gambia politics topic; Some Foreign Diplomats Won't Meet the UDP under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8169
Quotes repeated again;
" Are we really on the road to liberty, dignity and prosperity for each sovereign Gambian in this sovereign Republic?
I now pause for your sincere reply.
To conclude allow me to say that during these past 15 years the sovereign Gambian people have cast their votes or remained apathetic because of political expediency. People generally knew what they were opposed to but did not care much about what they want and how to realise it. We must know what we are against and what we stand for in order to know who to support in Gambian politics. The moment for decision has come. We must now open our minds to all ideas in order to have all the views to be able to make informed choice.
We the people are the owners of power, the determinants of the leaders of nations and the architects of our own destiny. The battle of ideas has dawned. None of us could afford to be neutral. Each must take his or her place. What Gambia becomes after 2011 is entirely in each of our sovereign hands.
The insincere and the ignorant will always pay a price for their folly?
The future will tell and history will record or sovereign decision for posterity to pass its judgment on our generation.
Halifa Sallah"
Kobo;
Please capitalize your post so that Nyri and Shaka can get it. We need to be working together and not against each order.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2009 : 03:38:31
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Originally posted by Janko
Terangba, point taken
Any leader whose only merit is “tribe” is not only corrupted but doomed to fail.
We have to be able to formulate a discursive atmosphere based on the idea of gambianism/gambianist/-gambianity. That each is judged according to his/her merits and contribution to the betterment of Gambia. The decisive factor for Yaya, Haifa, Darboe or Sedia to qualify as leaders of their parties should not be tribe but their ability to serve the interest of the Gambian people unconditionally.
If the ability to learn from history or from individual experiences is valid then there is no convincing reason not to attain unity based on the everyday realities we are faced with. The paradox with tribal discourses is that they are always; consciously or unconsciously driven and motivated by some antiquated ideas of “primitive societies” projected on others by outsiders in their quest to have a better picture of themselves. Which has its roots in the antiquated anthropological ideas of race and primitivism? So, the choice is ours, as civilized people in this century to seek unity in progress or barbarism in backwardness.
Brother JANKO! I don't think your ideas on "GAMBIANISM/GAMBIANIST - GAMBIANITY" makes any sense in our discussions mainly on Gambian politics topics to address certain issues. It appears cosmetic theories rather than going straight to the point on civic education, citizenship, sovereingty, duties, rights, obligations affecting every individual Gambian. We need to discuss certain issues in proper perspectives or consider them very seriously as the stakes are high for all of us
Follow more with courtesy of Foroyaa online newspaper editorial on Citizens, Politics and Political Leaders under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3569
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 11 Oct 2009 : 13:02:04
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Brother Kobo, thanks, point taken
“Any leader whose only merit is “tribe” is not only corrupted but doomed to fail.” Hence my position is; being Gambian comes first then …
You are right, for my intention is to set eyes on the bigger picture and not dual on the “same old story” or tread “on the same old road” to the same old boring town.
Theories are outlandish/cosmetic that is their nature for they are meant to stimulate thoughts beyond the obvious and “taken granted-nesses”. I am not claiming to have any answers.
Secondly, as you can see, the post starts with acknowledging what has been said earlier, by amongst others Terangba (Terangba, point taken). If you think it does not fit after acquainting yourself with the context and point it came in the discussion then the only option left is to ask administration to lift it to a new topic, where we can sharpen our arguments. What do you think?
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