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shaka
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 15:10:05
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Dalton take it easy on my brethren Kay. Moe had got to him. That boy is dangerous. I don't know if it is chonkom or the zumzum what-done-it. Nevertheless i like the new Kay. Some of the most boring people on this planet swear by wonjo and baobab juice.
Kay i have to admit i was never a teacher in the Gambia, i was a stevedore(dockers as we like to call them in Gambia). If dealing with stupid kids could trigger so much intolerance from you, try dealing with the mean bosses at the dock yard who don't want to cough up after a hard day's graft. I swear i feel like murdering those corrupt ba$tards all the time.
Now let's get to issues. I have no problems with you forwarding stuff on this great bantaba at all. I believe there is always a reason for forwarding or sharing an article in public forum. The reason being that you have an opinion on that article. You either agree with the author's story or points or you don't. With the Gambia Echo's story you believed that 'Obama has not even finished his speech yet ...' before a paranoid African dictator in the person of Sheikh Jammeh started bundling up allege threats and enemies to his reign and threw them in Mile Two. How do i know? I have the gift of a seer Kay. You are hilarious. "As coup speculation gathers momentum..."(conspiracy theory ring a bell Kay?) And why did you not not finish the headline if not for "an outstretched hand... but what is it that you have in the other hand, hiding behind your back?" I am not bringing back bad memories am i? Never mind i will finish the task for you. "45 Soldiers Arrested"(allege fact Kay) The story cannot be a fact and a conspiracy. It is either one of them Kay. And you want to know what is wrong with 'forwarding a report about a rumor of a coup in the Gambia?' You cannot be seriously forwarding this article to the Bantaba for us to ascertain the 'truth or falsity' of this story. How the fcuk are we suppose to know? We do not claim omniscience in this forum or do we Kay? Stay away from Moe my brother!!!
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 15:58:18
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Madiba I wish you a speedy recovery.
peace
Sister Omega
Sis many thanks for the well wishes |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 : 11:37:09
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Santafara,
The fact that news is hard to come by in The Gambia is NOT REASON to spread LIES. Foroyaa has been in operation for nearly 20yrs BUT they have never been found in such an appalling situation.
There are other online news papers that take criticism in good faith and make amends. If Sankareh has pulled a good one on Sabi's case, fine. Chapeau bas! That is one out of a hundred stories anyway. Look at it this way, both Sabi and Sankareh are in one country(US) so it would be more easy to investigate a story. If he wants to file in stories he has to be on the ground or be adequately represented. One CANNOT FISH FROM A MOUNTAIN TOP. If that's too hard for him let him zip-up.
If SPECULATIVE JOURNALISM MAKES YOUR DAY, ENJOY IT. Its not for me POLL BU RAFET
Madiba, i wish you well from your illness. Continue swifting your head the other way bro, but as kitabul just related, didn't you know, the old folks of foroyaa are also on bail? what do you call that? and by the way, haven't some foroyaa reporters being chased out of the Gambia? men, you can't play smart here. In as much you love and defend the nonsence regime of yahya and his brutal minds, i will read what i want and analyse the news the way i see fit.
did the regime of yahya arrest a foroyaa editorial staff in Halifa not long ago, well i didn't read any comment from your angle on that famous incidence. where you in hospital bed then? recover well bro.
the concern of decent Gambians is beyoud pittiness and silly twisting of real facts.
the online news papers are acting to counter balance the media blackout. editors have to worry for their life after sending a sensitive news story, is that what you support? This coup smoke is not dead yet, since you and all of us are as glueless in the Yahya mafia organisations, please hold your horse before puting your neck on the line. We all would love a peaceful and properous Gambia, but we want the rights of people to be protected and respected. can you swear that, that is happening in the Gambia? still, look the other way, that is much easier.
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Kitabul Arerr
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Posted - 18 Jul 2009 : 18:34:18
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Great point, Santanfara, "...the online news papers are acting to counter balance the media blackout..."
And then similarly, refraining from putting the cart before the horse.
Well thought, and a firm salute...............................................................2U! |
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 19 Jul 2009 : 10:14:55
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I think when it comes to National security there shouldn't be any partisan issues... National security no matter who is in power is a very serious issue and it has very serious consequencies to the nation as a whole..
While we did not get any signal from the Gambia about a coup I think our brother Sankareh as a huge responsibility to make sure his story is absolutely accurate....
Many peoples' lifes coud be at risk by simply stirring a serious issue like a coup...
There are far more other consequencies of our national economy by simply speculating instability in our nation...
Really we have to separate between Jammeh the person and the interest of the Gambia as a nation.
We know many soldiers died innocently for being implicated in coups.. Gambia is not a free country and therefore what we can get away with in the West is not so simple in the Gambia...
Journalism comes with responsibility and when it comes to national security we should check and double check before reporting...
There is simply too much national price to pay that is greater than Jammeh or any individual... just a caution...
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kayjatta
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Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 09:20:58
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Originally posted by shaka
Dalton take it easy on my brethren Kay. Moe had got to him. That boy is dangerous. I don't know if it is chonkom or the zumzum what-done-it. Nevertheless i like the new Kay. Some of the most boring people on this planet swear by wonjo and baobab juice.
Kay i have to admit i was never a teacher in the Gambia, i was a stevedore(dockers as we like to call them in Gambia). If dealing with stupid kids could trigger so much intolerance from you, try dealing with the mean bosses at the dock yard who don't want to cough up after a hard day's graft. I swear i feel like murdering those corrupt ba$tards all the time.
Now let's get to issues. I have no problems with you forwarding stuff on this great bantaba at all. I believe there is always a reason for forwarding or sharing an article in public forum. The reason being that you have an opinion on that article. You either agree with the author's story or points or you don't. With the Gambia Echo's story you believed that 'Obama has not even finished his speech yet ...' before a paranoid African dictator in the person of Sheikh Jammeh started bundling up allege threats and enemies to his reign and threw them in Mile Two. How do i know? I have the gift of a seer Kay. You are hilarious. "As coup speculation gathers momentum..."(conspiracy theory ring a bell Kay?) And why did you not not finish the headline if not for "an outstretched hand... but what is it that you have in the other hand, hiding behind your back?" I am not bringing back bad memories am i? Never mind i will finish the task for you. "45 Soldiers Arrested"(allege fact Kay) The story cannot be a fact and a conspiracy. It is either one of them Kay. And you want to know what is wrong with 'forwarding a report about a rumor of a coup in the Gambia?' You cannot be seriously forwarding this article to the Bantaba for us to ascertain the 'truth or falsity' of this story. How the fcuk are we suppose to know? We do not claim omniscience in this forum or do we Kay? Stay away from Moe my brother!!!
Hey Shaka, I know being a "stevedore" is a hard work. Sorry I never had to do that kind of stuff. Was it one of you guys who stole an alarm clock and hid it in his pants, and then when it was 2 p.m. the alarm went off ...? The result was very ugly and the story is abound in Banjul .
Okay so much for that, back to reality now. When you and the "Watchman' were involved in that conflict not long ago, I thought that was a very unfortunate thing, because I had the impression that both you and the "Watchman" were very smart people. So to have seen you engage in a detructive spiralling conflict was equally disappointing to me. But I am even more disappointed that you have jumped so quickly in bed with Baghdad Bob in his frivolous accusations. You should know better that Baghdad Bob has a motive, that is he is out to defend his newspaper that he perceived assaulted by KUNO and I. That is the only reason he started insulting me (even though he pretended not to be refering to me by shying from calling any name). Baghdad Bob's reaction is best described by what psychologists called 'displacement of aggression'. His real aggressive target is not Kayjatta, it is his competitors in the market of Gambian online journalism.
While you tried to put words into my mouth, my posting of the topic: "Another Coup in the Gambia?" did not give a personal opinion. It could actually be re-phrased as "Is there another coup in the Gambia?". Furthermore, my remark that "...Obama has not even finished his speech (and there is a speculation of a coup...) should indicate to you that Kayjatta is not a coup supporter...
But that is all besides the point now. I simply do not have the energy to exchange personal insults with anyone, and I have to acknowledge that your responses are more tempered, issue-focused, and sensible than that 'psychotic' at GAINAKO.
I hate it when people drag me into this kind of destructive escalatory conflicts where the importance of issues become lost to fiery emotions (bless my incredible charge of testosterone). That is certainly the dormain of 'empty barrels' like Baghdad Bob and I henceforth (from now on) leave it to him.
My apologies to you particularly Shaka (for giving you the 'black eye' while I was tring to strike at Baghdad Bob). Dbaldeh is also a remarkable person and I apologize to him also if he is hurt by my criticism of his paper, GAINAKO which I often called a 'lousy' paper. I take that remark back. Although I can never reveal names in my private conversations, I was once told privately by a very credible person on this forum that Dbaldeh is one of the most remarkable contibutors here. Although I am aware that Dbaledh has had his own wars here with the 'UDP guy'  , and I do also know that eventually more and more people (including some of my very good friends and others that I have enormous respect for) post less and less for fear of collusion with some rabid member of the forum. We then get engaged in defensive practice like doctors do when malpractice liabilities get too high... I am sure Dr. Lurker can bear me witness here 
Madiba talked about the "mutiny of gambian soldiers from ECOMOG" duties in Liberia and the chaos it created. He cited this as an example to substantiate his claim that those who report about alleged coups in the Gambia are "coup mongers". Madiba perhaps didn't realize that that single incident was in fact one in a series of incidents that culminated in the fall of Jawara and the PPP. In my unpublished book, "The Origins of July 22, 1994; and Its Aftermath" which examined the causes of the coup (part 1), the events of the coup itself (part 2) and the aftermath of the coup(part 3); I have chronicled both the political and socio-economic causes ranging from the collapse of the Gambia Commercial Bank and the AMRC investigation whose recommendations were not followed through by Jawara, the replacement of BB Darboe by Saikou Sabally following the Mansakonko 'bombshell', the collapse of the Gambia Cooperative Union, the demonstration over water shortage in Brikama, the taxi driver riot in Serekunda, the lack of pay for ECOMOG soldiers from Liberia, Jawara's surrounding of himself with Nigerian soldiers and the resultant alienation of the Gambian army, the mounting public feeling of massive corruption by government officials, the general decline in the economy and wellbeing of ordinary Gambians, the successive failure of elections to unseat Jawara and the PPP, and many more...
Unlike Madiba, students of history and social change do not see these issues as mere incidents that need to be brushed under the rug because of the potential chaos associated with them. Instead, these are issues that are interconnected with other issues and incidents. They are issues that have real cause and effect involving all the particpants in the society including in the largest part those in power...
I am convinced that none of us wants another coup in the Gambia. However, the best way to preserve peace and a coup-free Gambia is not to urge the protection of the status quo, but to urge for the respect of freedom and liberty...
I know I have talked way too much now (but at least I hope I have made more sense trhan Baghdad Bob could ever make); let me apologize to all those who feel that I have disappointed them by letting myself engage John Dalton (without the atomic theory)in a destructive conflict of this manner. This man is truly 'evil' (okay just kidding about that). I have buried the hatchet, Dalton. Asalaam alaikum. |
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jambo
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Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 14:11:35
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Hello dalton, how are you, another interesting posting and good replies.
Who is running this coup, noboby in gambia it is in cyberspace. |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 19:05:54
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| Kay you'd be amazed what some of my colleagues at the dockyard do. You do not have to apologize to me. I like people who talk with emotions. They usually speak from the heart and there is little room for hypocrisy in their exchange. You have given Moe a run for his money. He is probably too busy with his satala to bother with nincompoops like us anymore. Your points are taken in regards to the subject under discussion. I still believe you are a coup monger though. Naff off now will you? And leave Dalton alone. He scares the shiit out of you lot but you could not bring yourself to admit it. I remember inviting Nyari to a dwell with Dalton and he has since shown me some clean heels. Would you take my invitation for a 'rumble in the jungle' Kay? To break the ice for you, Peul Futa's are not experts in Karate as people want us to believe. That Bruce Lee myth is all from going to the cinema too much. Don't do a Nyari on me now. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 19:52:19
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Compatriots,
I am in for humor, together with seriousness of what is at stake. Carefulness must be greatly exercised. As far as we are concerned at GON, we have a bigger fish to fry...and trust me, we cannot be easily written off, and those that tried, failed any way. Why? Because we are after the truth, and God likes the truth. I am sure the same applies to anyone that is serious about the wounds we sustained from the dictatorship. We don't have time for pettiness nor do we have time to bully anyone. That said, we are capable of defending ourselves the level far. We cannot let our swords down at a time of aggression. Everyone must do little in their own ways. The combinations of these little doings will get us moving.
On a funny joke, imagine me being that shoe guy in bagdad and GWB in his last days ...can't you see Shaka that GWB is running for his life from that flying shoe? Speed= D/t; where D= distance and t=time.
Otherwise, keep it up everyone! Move onto something worth debating...
Jamba, I acknowledge your posting and thank you as well.
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 21:44:59
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Kay do you plan on publishing your book any time soon? If so when?
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2009 : 23:05:06
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.can't you see Shaka that GWB is running for his life from that flying shoe? Speed= D/t; where D= distance and t=time.
Your hand speed is too scary Dalton. Everyone is turning down my offers. I guess i will never be Don King. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 Jul 2009 : 07:01:21
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Kay do you plan on publishing your book any time soon? If so when?
Thanks Ebou4th, I am planning on publishing it, but I do not really know exactly when right now.There are some technical issues holding off the publication of that book. It should have been published quite a whlie ago. As soon as that is sorted out, it will be released hopefully. One of the people who reviewed the manuscript (for factual accuracy) was Sam Sarr of PDOIS/FOROYAA...
However, my collection of poetry, 'The Columbia' (named after the spaceship that perished over Texas in 2003 killing its seven crew) may be out this winter ... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2009 : 07:40:05
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Originally posted by shaka
Kay ... I still believe you are a coup monger though...
Shaka, you are absolutely entitled to your believes; and I have no problems with that.
In 1991 when Baffour Ankomah, the editor of the 'New African' magazine(my Bible until I left the Gambia) based in the U.K. visited the Gambia, he filed a piece under his famous column 'Baffour's Beef' (I guess PK Jarju, of Allgambian, styled his column after that) where he succintly described the general decay of the Gambia's infrastructure under Jawara and the PPP, the terrble road conditions, the cobwebs at the Banjul International Airport, the excruciating poverty and inequality, and the brewing discontent in the general population. Baffour argued in that celebrated piece that "he had met enough angry young people in the streets of Banjul that the status quo was not sustainable". Baffour was perhaps the first international journalist that had predicted ,proximately, the military coup of July 1994. When July 1994 (the coup of Yahya Jammeh)happened, Baffour is on record saying "...I am not in a triumphalist mood..." indicating that Jawara and the PPP should have listened to him back in 1991.
Is Baffour Ankomah a coup monger? I do not think so. He was a journalist, and as in the words of George Tenet, the CIA director(under the great and able administration of George W. Bush-GWB, he only called it the way he saw (and heard) it.
U.S. political science Professors, Harris and Welch also visited the Gambia during the last days of Jawara and delivered lectures at the U.S. Embassy in Fajara attended by some security personnel. Prof. Welch went as far as saying of the PPP regime that "...if you cut down on transparency and accountability, then you cut down on legitimacy..." and that "...Gambians should wage a new struggle for independence...". These events coincided with a time when the U.S. through United States Aid for International Development (USAID) was about to suspend assistance to the PPP government because of its failure to cooperate with the Asset Management and Recovery Corporation (AMRC) that was probing the collapse of the Gambia Commercial Bank and other corruption cases. Let me stop here because I am writing directly from my book "The Origins of July 22, 1994; and Its Aftermath". This is not the kind of book Baghdad Bob claims he is reading...
The precarious security situation and the daily cloud of military coups in the Gambia is not the making of journalists. The security crisis in the Gambia is the making of the regime in power. Taking away freedoms and liberties and perpetuating inequality, as we see daily in the Gambia, is the ultimate precursor of security failure and unrest. we have seen it happen under Jawara and the PPP, and Jammeh and the APRC is not learning any lesson from that.
Those who wish to silence any report about the real or perceived security crisis in the Gambia are just merely defending the status quo. If such people care so much about peace, then they should defend the things that sustain peace-namely freedom, liberty, and equality... |
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Dalton1
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shaka
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Posted - 21 Jul 2009 : 17:13:58
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| You know you are weird Dalton. Do i look like a friggin guinea pig that you should subject me to a laboratory test. What is so special about my opinion to this subject? Take your subject to the right domain, i am sure there will not be a lack of opinion there. It is one of the hottest discussion domains in this bantaba. |
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