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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
 Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 14:04:46
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Santafara,
The fact that news is hard to come by in The Gambia is NOT REASON to spread LIES. Foroyaa has been in operation for nearly 20yrs BUT they have never been found in such an appalling situation.
There are other online news papers that take criticism in good faith and make amends. If Sankareh has pulled a good one on Sabi's case, fine. Chapeau bas! That is one out of a hundred stories anyway. Look at it this way, both Sabi and Sankareh are in one country(US) so it would be more easy to investigate a story. If he wants to file in stories he has to be on the ground or be adequately represented. One CANNOT FISH FROM A MOUNTAIN TOP. If that's too hard for him let him zip-up.
If SPECULATIVE JOURNALISM MAKES YOUR DAY, ENJOY IT. Its not for me POLL BU RAFET |
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 16:28:11
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Spot on Madiba. Good to know that you are recovering very well from surgery by the way. I wish you complete recovery in the very near future. Back to the issue... i believe any medium or institution that claim to speak on behalf of the Gambian people or is officially established to report news about the Gambia must be duly held to account by the Gambian people anywhere. Factual reporting especially when it pertains to national security is not optional for any online newspaper, it is a must. Nobody put a gun to any diaspora journalist's head to report news about the Gambia, therefore the argument that anyone who criticizes a newspaper should themselves engage in the news business instead, won't wash here. Get the title 'Gambia' out of the bloody face of your medium and you would not hear from Gambian critics. Until then every word, sentence or phrase from your medium will be subject to scrutiny from the Gambian public. The dictatorial tendencies of the diaspora online newspapers is getting sickening. Immunity to to criticism is not reserved for even God let alone a friggin diaspora Gambian journalist.
I am disappointed in you Kay. You have done a fantastic job with Kuno's Reflection on Gainako (and) Other Gambian Journalism then turn around and give thumbs up to conspiracy theories and lie peddling all in the name of "breaking news". Is factual writing not a basic tenet of journalism? That is all Madiba asked for and i did not see the need to engage him in unnecessary argument. The questions you asked him are nothing but fodder for even more conspiracy theory. You know damn well that the Gambia mansakunda reserves the right like every government to determine at security and intelligence level what is and what is not for public consumption. It's called state secret Kay. Whether or not Jammeh attend the ECOWAS summit is of little significance here. There is no mandate of him to attend such a function at all cost. What is important is that the Gambia government was adequately represented at this sub-regional gathering and i believe it was. Likewise putting names of allege arrested individuals in the Gambia Echo story does not make it fact. These newspapers in the diaspora know they almost got "immunity" from prosecution because of safe distance from accused persons and that Gambians in the diaspora are sympathetic to their cause owing to the dictatorship presiding over affair back in Gambia and therefore less likely to go down the unfortunate route of legal action. But needless to say, they aught to stop abusing their 'mandate' The sad state of affairs back home gives no online newspaper the right to peddle lies and conspiracies or mediocrity at its worst. To have Pa Nderry Mbai and Yahya Jammeh speaking on our behalf in the international arena is already nauseating. The rest of the world must be thinking; what the fcuk passes down the conveyor belts of the Gambia faculty factory? Let us not add salt and pepper to injury. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 16:32:17
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bro Madis,
With due respect to all the good work these media outlets are doing...i personally think you, Madis scored a very important point regarding the coup monger, though as always we have different views about the Gambia. You personally might have had bad experinece about coups and I am sure you shun them in all..and this is attested by a poem you once wrote here. You can re-post that poem here.I understand the media business is really hard, as such one can only go by sources. After these many days...and I am expecting one, I still think he will update about that piece. I look forward to that honestly because details of a coup is still not out there.
thanks though...
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 17:13:13
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Shaka,
Thank you for your well wishes.
I am on record here for saying that as much as we want a change in Banjul it MUST be done thru peaceful means. I also said here many times that the regime is far from being complete. I also said that the regime needs to look at its governance and press relations. This is because these two areas are dysfunctional.
Bro Dalton1
You see i dnt have a problem wit gambians or non-gambians operating online newspapers as an alternative voice, BUT it must be responsibly done to earn the respect of all decent people. You are right the stability we have at home , which is an envy of the sub-region MUST be protected at all costs. Coups must be condemned. Look at Mauritania and Guinea Bissau. Mauritania barely started her new found status as an oil-exporting which was a hope for the ordinary, now instability has struck thanks to endless coups.
I saw what happened in 1981, when there was only a sizable paramilitary force locally called (depot). Absolute barbarism took centre stage. Imagine what would happen with the size of the armed forces and the size of the reservists and dismissed but trained soldiers and the weaponry at their disposal.
If those gambians who are clamouring for violent change from outside the Gambia have no more relatives in Gambia, i have plenty and luv them to pieces.
If you are waiting for the details of such a coup details to emerge you must have the patience of a fisherman. Remember the infamous Neneh Mcdoll story with a doctored picture which he published claiming the love affair and blockbuster that turn out to be the mother of all LIES.
For the poem i will try to fish it out if not Admin will do us the favour.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 18:22:41
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Bro Shaka,
I acknowledge your post. I was submitting mine at the same time as yours.
there is a poem Madis shared here a while back about cuops. He must be very sensitive to the palaver…I could tell…it was a tear-dropping one.
Regards,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 18:44:00
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| Acknowledgement appreciated Dalton. No worries. Hope you are in good health. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 18:57:53
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As always bro Shaka, just be alerted about werewolves cases. I think that I went back to the debates about a while back, you advised Kuno in his real person. I think he should have taken your advice then, rather than a rebirth in a pen. That part of it is a shame! That's why your person must be careful in endorsing him wholly...with due respect his advice, the part we feel...is truly valauable. I like it and Demba does, but he remains who???? |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 21:02:24
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quote:
Originally posted by MADIBA
Santafara,
.......The fact that news is hard to come by in The Gambia is NOT REASON to spread LIES. Foroyaa has been in operation for nearly 20yrs BUT they have never been found in such an appalling situation.......
A great point, MADIBA....lol! The attempt to suffocate Foroyaa, with false accusations, continuous harassment and regular incarcerations, is the main culprit pertaining to it's "appalling situation". It's a miracle that it's still in circulation and 4ever going strong. Shame to it's detractors. Long live freedom of the press in the Gambia! |
The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 22:36:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Kitabul Arerr
Shame to it's detractors. Long live freedom of the press in the Gambia!
Echo that aloud bro Kitabul arerr! For far too long now, the press has been muzzled....I recently heard that Adiamoh (Editor of Today newspaper) quitted. He was fined D50,000.00 in the last court case. These newspapers are closing one by one. It truly give the justifications for online papers to put feet on their faces.
thanks,
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 00:41:41
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Thanks too, and congrats, Dalton1, with the new Gainako News site overhaul.
The renegades of news cannot, and will not be muzzled, local or online, pros or cons. Hurray!
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 01:49:43
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Madiba I wish you a speedy recovery.
Guy's haven't you heard of the law of attraction' Like attracts Like. So when you dig a pit for someone be sure of digging a pit for yourself. Some of these online pooper scooper amateur blogs have for years tried to stir up a coup and each time they fail. the last one being in 2006, when certain bantabaa writers were reaching fever inciting a coup. These bog roll newspapers are trying to bring instsbility to Gambia as usual and their spin will bind them all up.
These newspapers are far from reliable they are based on fantasy Journalism peddling lies for the truth. They love Gambia so much that they want to insight violence on innocent civilians. Yet they will sing the National Athem but given the chance will shatter the peace in a moment for self profit.
These Guys aren't Journalists they need to go and study Journalism i agree with you Madiba and may I add, send their Reporters to Gambia and interview the government, conduct interviews on the ground etc. No instead they spout rubbish from US and UK. They aren't credible Journalists at all. They're too afraid to take risks. How many Investigative Journalist worth their salt won't take the risks neccesary to bring back primary info. If they are speaking for Gambian people, why haven't they gone into the provinces and Kombos to speak to ordinary Gambian to find out about issues which are concerning them and write about that? That would be news.
peace
Sister Omega
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Dalton1
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 04:48:43
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quote:
The renegades of news cannot, and will not be muzzled, local or online, pros or cons. Hurray!
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/d50000-fine-for-today-newspaper-boss
Bro Kitabul arerr,
Your postings on this topic are great and effective. It is like a dangerous drug. It reminds me of these drug addicts on my way, to and fro the city ---they are normally on dangerous drugs like cocaine, such that they will be scratching their bodies and heads off..holding the sitiva or crack pipes. You will be lucky if they don't fall down on your knees while they tremble like birds that urinated on their wings...of course you know they can't flap wings in the air like the airplanes. The only time I ever wished I was a sitiva man is during the reggae concerts.
Thanks...and gimme a pipe here too......ha ha ha ha.....to the snell shell, I am laughing my head off...the herb is good.
Besides, see the forwarded links from DO.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 08:51:28
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To paraphrase Bill Clinton, "I feel like I am running a cemetery here, there are many people below me who are not listening-I mean mentally dead people. There is a nice word for it: morons! Baghdad Bob(Dalton,the out-of-orbit GAINAKO editor), Madiba (please do not confuse this guy's name with Nelson Mandela), and lately Shaka. But I am a little troubled by Shaka's association here, because although I have not had much encounter with him, I have had the impression that he was an intelligent man. But hey, I guess you may never know how little wisdom a man may actually possess...
Let me go back to Bill Clinton again. In his 1998 Grand Jury testimony, Clinton argued that the truth of his response to the question of whether he had a relationship with Ms. Lewinsky depended on the meaning of the word 'is'.
Now talking about the meaning of 'is', let us examine the topic under discussion here that has provoked much stupidity from the senile Dalton, Madiba and lately Shaka. Having been a teacher, I have had my fair share of dealing with difficult kids, but I never had any tolerance for stupidity. I usually do not deal with that class of people. So Madiba may be right, I am a bigot in that sense.
Now here is the headline from THE ECHO: "As coup speculation gathers momentum...". Please note the word speculation. This indicates that this is a developing story, nothing is confirmed yet. Also when kayjatta forwarded the report, his own title to the report is: "Another coup in the Gambia?". Again watchout for the question mark. Kayjatta did not in any way suggest the accuracy of THE ECHO's report, nor did he suggest that an actual coup was afoot in the Gambia. So what is the fuss about? What is wrong about forwarding a report about a rumor of a coup in the Gambia? Shouldn't we know and discuss such a rumor of coup in the Gambia openly? How would we know the truth or falsity of such if it is not discussed in the open?
So the crux of these people's attack and all the nonsense is this: Kayjatta should not post an unconfirmed report of a coup in the Gambia on Bantaba.
Yet none of these "brain deads" provided any evidence to dispel the rumor. They are only banking on 'the test of time'.
Meanwhile, I am sure by now everyone has heard about KUNO, 'the bird' flying over the rugged country sides in Malawi, Africa chasing down disease. That is the job of an epidemiologist. Well I guess that is besides the point ...
KUNO, as a reader (of GAINAKO particularly) gave a free advice (opinion, critique) to GAINAKO and the Gambian media in general. The result is a virulent attack on his person. Kayjatta, then intervene and advised that, even though he does not read GAINAKO critics should not be condemned but acknowledged instead,because criticism is a very useful resource for anyone who wants to improve. Afterall we are all dealing with a regime (in the Gambia) that kills and jails critics...
Because Kayjatta said he does not read GAINAKO, its wayward editor, Baghdad Bob launched a barrage of insults (please see the original posts under "Reflections on GAINAKO") at Kayjatta's person.
This is the crux of the matter, and I will leave it at that for the record... |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 13:18:34
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GWB,
Even Shaka's simple message you cannot understand...the only thing he pointed out is about the coup. Don't you think, the night was long for you? I told you...I do not know which books you've been sipping lately. As for me, I am taking it easy with Mamburay "..Lost brother." May be I will catch up with you later booo. The problem is you cannot act the boss style educationist and yet still telling us you cannot comprehend something as simple as what Shaka wrote. Professor Cummings once said "They talk to you like angels and behave like stupid humanbeings." Get some cool-aid and dust off the bugs from your shoulders...and maybe it can help remove the seal on your mind.
I see the insecurity bug has infected you to your moron nerves as well. Walking with a wick on your arms, Heh! The more you argue, the more the people see absolute stupidity in you. Who are you again to measure Shaka's IQ here as intelligent or not? Get on your pomposity ship and keep being in self-denial all you want. Scream aloud if you like, the truth remains...you are at a standstill. Again, it shows to all you failed in your notions of pretending that you can withstand criticism. Don't forget to look through the mirrow, trim the moustache, cut the hairs a little....and ask yourself about coups for a minute boss!. Please make sure if you are aspiring for leadership, you don't get in through the wrong door -coups! I will be here to grill your balls hard in that B scrotal sac.
You are still justifying it...but for how long now? If you drop the ball...you just have to still defend your position, just acknowledge the good points offered by others without down-playing on it. You are that case!
Meanwhile thanks for the genuine points you scored before, regardless of your sympathetic situation now...and I am glad finally to debate you live.
I am still waiting to debate you on Obama's sermon....let me know when you are ready. Or are you all satisfied with that one...still fresh! I told you Islam is beautiful...whatsup??
Later GWB! |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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