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Santanfara
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 13:38:19
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http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/terror-intro.html
by Karen Armstrong on "Islamic Terrorism"
This perception is not due to any intrinsic resentment of Islam by the American people. It is understood that the mainstream of Muslims, the vast majority of them, like in every other faith, is peaceful and pay their taxes, trying to make America a better society, trying to improve relations with neighbors and colleagues.
But images and terminology influence public opinion, and a bitter taste is left when Islam is reported in the daily headlines. The term "Islamic fundamentalism", whatever it means, has been repeated enough times in relation to violent incidents that naturally, any thinking human being has to be uncomfortable with the fact that America is home to a vibrant Muslim community. The problem stems from negative images about Islam. In the court of public opinion, Islam is guilty until proven innocent.
Even though the Middle East was home to fewer terrorist incidents than Latin America and Europe, for example, it is still regarded as the region where terrorism is rooted. According to a recent US State Department report, Patterns of Global Terrorism, issued earlier this year, 272 terrorist events occurred in Europe, 92 in Latin America and 45 in the Middle East. Sixty-two anti-US attacks occurred in Latin America last year, 21 in Europe and 6 in the Middle East. These numbers represent the terrorist trend and not an anomaly, whereby the majority of perpetrators are not linked to the Middle East or Islam. The Red Army Faction in Germany, the Basque Separatists in Spain, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the Shining Path in Peru and the National Liberation Army in Columbia are not viewed with the same horror as terrorist groups of Muslim background.
There is no moral justification for terrorism regardless of the ethnic or religious background of the perpetrator or the victim, but the factual basis of terrorism has been either hidden or twisted in the public's perception of this policy problem, especially in congressional hearings on terrorism. The countries with the worst terrorist records in the world are not in the Middle East either. They are not even Muslim countries outside the Middle East. They are Columbia and Germany, havens for drug lords and neo-Nazis.
The negative association of Islam with terrorism exists, but no one has ever asked "Why?". Could it be that American society cannot overcome the Khomeini phobia, even though he is dead? The US Congress found it necessary to push $20 million towards covert operations in toppling the Iranian government even at the dissent of people in the CIA. The Arab countries, both friend and foe, are run by tyrants who kill more of their own people than those outside their countries. The presumption that these countries represent a threat to American interests or that any one of them can dominate the region or even rival the only remaining superpower is indeed generous. So the issue is not these countries' hegemony in their region or the world, but about who can dominate their people and exploit their resources.
The perception in the Middle East is that US policy does not serve the peoples interests; it protects Israel and friendly Arab dictators even when they violate human rights, while it slaps sanctions on and takes military actions against countries whose dictators misbehave, resulting in suffering, starvation and even slaughter, all in the name of teaching the tyrants a lesson. The priorities in the Middle East for the US are not human rights and democracy, but rather oil and Israeli superiority. Consequently, anti-American sentiment increases. This mood of the general public is then characterized as "Islamic fundamentalism", even though the resentment is not rooted in religion. When it turns violent, it is termed "radical Islamic fundamentalism" or "Islamic terrorism." The various "terrorism experts" promote linkage to the Middle East before any other possibility every time terrorism is speculated. They exploit the human suffering of the victims, their families, and the fears of the American public.
Indeed, extremists of Muslim backgrounds are violating the norms of Islamic justice and should be held accountable for their criminal behavior, but we in America should not be held hostage to the politics of the Middle East or biased reporting.
An Israeli journalist, Yo'av Karny, reporting on the events in Chechnya made a striking observation about this development: "The West will be told--and will be inclined to believe--that the oppression of the Chechens is part and parcel of a cosmic struggle against 'Islamic extremism' that rages from Gaza to Algeria, from Tehran to Khartoum. Russians will seek Western sympathy. They should not be given it." The issue is not Chechnya, and it is not even about Islam and the West. Debates about religious wars and cultural clashes only distract us from the real issue: the powerful want to continue dominating the powerless, manipulating facts to influence public opinion, hence maintaining the status quo.
more artciles to come from Karen Armstrong.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 13:51:13
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an interesting link on a Terrorism conference held in America.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/jul/11/northernireland.july7
The label of Catholic terror was never used about the IRAFundamentalism is often a form of nationalism in religious disguise
Buzz up!
Digg it
Karen Armstrong The Guardian, Monday 11 July 2005 00.03 BST Article historyLast year I attended a conference in the US about security and intelligence in the so-called war on terror and was astonished to hear one of the more belligerent participants, who as far as I could tell had nothing but contempt for religion, strongly argue that as a purely practical expedient, politicians and the media must stop referring to "Muslim terrorism". It was obvious, he said, that the atrocities had nothing to do with Islam, and to suggest otherwise was not merely inaccurate but dangerously counterproductive.
Rhetoric is a powerful weapon in any conflict. We cannot hope to convert Osama bin Laden from his vicious ideology; our priority must be to stem the flow of young people into organisations such as al-Qaida, instead of alienating them by routinely coupling their religion with immoral violence. Incorrect statements about Islam have convinced too many in the Muslim world that the west is an implacable enemy. Yet, as we found at the conference, it is not easy to find an alternative for referring to this terrorism; however, the attempt can be a salutary exercise that reveals the complexity of what we are up against.
We need a phrase that is more exact than "Islamic terror". These acts may be committed by people who call themselves Muslims, but they violate essential Islamic principles. The Qur'an prohibits aggressive warfare, permits war only in self-defence and insists that the true Islamic values are peace, reconciliation and forgiveness. It also states firmly that there must be no coercion in religious matters, and for centuries Islam had a much better record of religious tolerance than Christianity.
Like the Bible, the Qur'an has its share of aggressive texts, but like all the great religions, its main thrust is towards kindliness and compassion. Islamic law outlaws war against any country in which Muslims are allowed to practice their religion freely, and forbids the use of fire, the destruction of buildings and the killing of innocent civilians in a military campaign. So although Muslims, like Christians or Jews, have all too often failed to live up to their ideals, it is not because of the religion per se.
We rarely, if ever, called the IRA bombings "Catholic" terrorism because we knew enough to realise that this was not essentially a religious campaign. Indeed, like the Irish republican movement, many fundamentalist movements worldwide are simply new forms of nationalism in a highly unorthodox religious guise. This is obviously the case with Zionist fundamentalism in Israel and the fervently patriotic Christian right in the US.
In the Muslim world, too, where the European nationalist ideology has always seemed an alien import, fundamentalisms are often more about a search for social identity and national self-definition than religion. They represent a widespread desire to return to the roots of the culture, before it was invaded and weakened by the colonial powers.
Because it is increasingly recognised that the terrorists in no way represent mainstream Islam, some prefer to call them jihadists, but this is not very satisfactory. Extremists and unscrupulous politicians have purloined the word for their own purposes, but the real meaning of jihad is not "holy war" but "struggle" or "effort." Muslims are commanded to make a massive attempt on all fronts - social, economic, intellectual, ethical and spiritual - to put the will of God into practice.
Sometimes a military effort may be a regrettable necessity in order to defend decent values, but an oft-quoted tradition has the Prophet Muhammad saying after a military victory: "We are coming back from the Lesser Jihad [ie the battle] and returning to the Greater Jihad" - the far more important, difficult and momentous struggle to reform our own society and our own hearts.
Jihad is thus a cherished spiritual value that, for most Muslims, has no connection with violence. Last year, at the University of Kentucky, I met a delightful young man called Jihad; his parents had given him that name in the hope that he would become not a holy warrior, but a truly spiritual man who would make the world a better place. The term jihadi terrorism is likely to be offensive, therefore, and will win no hearts or minds.
At our conference in Washington, many people favoured "Wahhabi terrorism". They pointed out that most of the hijackers on September 11 came from Saudi Arabia, where a peculiarly intolerant form of Islam known as Wahhabism was the state religion. They argued that this description would be popular with those many Muslims who tended to be hostile to the Saudis. I was not happy, however, because even though the narrow, sometimes bigoted vision of Wahhabism makes it a fruitful ground for extremism, the vast majority of Wahhabis do not commit acts of terror.
Bin Laden was not inspired by Wahhabism but by the writings of the Egyptian ideologue Sayyid Qutb, who was executed by President Nasser in 1966. Almost every fundamentalist movement in Sunni Islam has been strongly influenced by Qutb, so there is a good case for calling the violence that some of his followers commit "Qutbian terrorism." Qutb urged his followers to withdraw from the moral and spiritual barbarism of modern society and fight it to the death.
Western people should learn more about such thinkers as Qutb, and become aware of the many dramatically different shades of opinion in the Muslim world. There are too many lazy, unexamined assumptions about Islam, which tends to be regarded as an amorphous, monolithic entity. Remarks such as "They hate our freedom" may give some a righteous glow, but they are not useful, because they are rarely accompanied by a rigorous analysis of who exactly "they" are.
The story of Qutb is also instructive as a reminder that militant religiosity is often the product of social, economic and political factors. Qutb was imprisoned for 15 years in one of Nasser's vile concentration camps, where he and thousands of other members of the Muslim Brotherhood were subjected to physical and mental torture. He entered the camp as a moderate, but the prison made him a fundamentalist. Modern secularism, as he had experienced it under Nasser, seemed a great evil and a lethal assault on faith.
Precise intelligence is essential in any conflict. It is important to know who our enemies are, but equally crucial to know who they are not. It is even more vital to avoid turning potential friends into foes. By making the disciplined effort to name our enemies correctly, we will learn more about them, and come one step nearer, perhaps, to solving the seemingly intractable and increasingly perilous problems of our divided world.
· Karen Armstrong is author of Islam: a Short History
karmstronginfo@btopenworld.com
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 14:11:05
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http://www.gallup.com/consulting/worldpoll/26551/john-esposito-phd.aspx
John L. Esposito, Ph.D.University Professor and Professor of Religion & International Affairs and of Islamic Studies, Georgetown University
Founding Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding in the Walsh School of Foreign Service
John L. Esposito, Ph.D., is University Professor and Professor of Religion & International Affairs and of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University. He is Founding Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding in the Walsh School of Foreign Service. As a Gallup Senior Scientist, Esposito interprets data from predominantly Muslim countries from the Gallup World Poll. This groundbreaking research project continually collects people's opinions in more than 100 countries to determine the general well-being or "soul" of a country, city, or culture. He is also coauthoring the book Who Speaks for Islam? Listening to the Voices of a Billion Muslims with Dalia Mogahed and creating a course on the same topic with Mogahed and Richard Burkholder. This evidence-based approach to understanding the contemporary Muslim world is based on the Gallup Poll of the Muslim World, a study covering 90% of the world's Muslim population, making it the largest study of its kind.
A consultant to the Department of State as well as corporations, universities, and the media worldwide, Esposito specializes in Islam, political Islam, and the impact of Islamic movements from North Africa to Southeast Asia. He has served as President of the Middle East Studies Association of North America and the American Council for the Study of Islamic Societies, Vice Chair of the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, and is currently a member of the World Economic Forum's Council of 100 Leaders, the High Level Group of the United National Alliance of Civilizations, and President of the Executive Scientific Committee for La Maison de la Mediterranee's 2005-2010 project, "The Mediterranean, Europe and Islam: Actors in Dialogue." Esposito is a recipient of the American Academy of Religion's 2005 Martin E. Marty Award for the Public Understanding of Religion and of Pakistan's Quaid-i-Azzam Award for Outstanding Contributions in Islamic Studies. In 2003, he received the School of Foreign Service, Georgetown University Award for Outstanding Teaching.
Esposito is editor in chief of The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World (4 vols.), The Oxford History of Islam, The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, and The Islamic World: Past and Present (3 vols.). He has authored or coauthored more than 35 books, and his books and articles have been translated into more than 21 languages, including Arabic, Persian, Urdu, bahasa Indonesia, Turkish, Japanese, Chinese, and European languages. Esposito has been interviewed or quoted in The Wall Street Journal, The New YorkTimes, The Washington Post, CNN, ABC Nightline, CBS, NBC, and the BBC and in newspapers, magazines, and the media in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.
A native of Brooklyn, N.Y., Esposito currently resides in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Jeanette P. Esposito, Ph.D., a former senior corporate executive, who earned her degree in organization and development at the University of Massachusetts Amherst.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 17 Jun 2009 : 01:10:41
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A video of what some influencial non-muslims says about Muhammad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyEPoVo4RMU |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 14:59:43
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| YOU AND YOUR ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA. HERE WE GO AGAIN. ISLAM IS A VIOLENT RELIGION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. ACCEPT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT RATHER THAN BLAMING EVERYBODY ELSE. THESE WESTERN HYPOCRITICAL ACADEMIC HISTORIANS WHO SHOULD NOT CALL THEMSELVES HISTORIANS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED HAVE AN AGENDA OF THEIR OWN AND I AM NOT BUYING THEIR TWADDLE. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 16:30:00
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| That is your opinion mister Tamsier, you have every right to utter whatever you wish. the fact is you are dead wrong and will continue to be wrong.those who analyse with sound and open minds arrive at a more logical and calm conclusion. Islam will be ner cowed not by you or anyone. You write among scores of Muslims, yet none of them speak harshly agaionst you. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 17:34:35
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'You write among scores of Muslims, yet none of them speak harshly agaionst you.'
Are you kidding? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 06:09:11
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tamsier
you said: ISLAM IS A VIOLENT RELIGION WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
Then you claim that you are not anti-muslim. How can you explain you insult all Muslims then you claim you do not have anti-islamic agenda? You are anti-muslim. It is obvious. You are a bigot. People like you disgust me. The world is better place without pests like you.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 10:41:23
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I have never ever used the exact phrase 'anti muslim' and I challenge you to quote me chapter and verse were I have used that exact phrase. It is true that I have said on other topics something to the effect of 'I will stop here before I am accuse of being anti Islam' OR 'I am being accused of anti islam' but I have never ever said anti Muslim. Even if I am anti islam, I cannot be anti muslim, because I have some members of my family who are muslims. How can I hate them? Even if I was anti islam, that does not necessary mean I hate muslims - for example, I may hate the religion and think people are gullible but I do not hate them, only their religion.
You are the bigot who cannot even quote me correctly. Of course I cannot blame. You are of the Wikipedia generation who can only copy and paste without doing substantial research of your own using various sources. Your laziness and lack of ability to dissect and absorb data prevents you. You do not even know your own religion. For your information, Islam is the religion and muslims are the people who follow and practice islam. Of course you cannot grasp that basic information and you call yourself a muslim. You are the pest and you are the disgusting one that's why I have not even bothered to refer you by name [something I refuse to do since you last insulted me]. Get those chips of your shoulder and get a life. You are above no one. You do not have the character, the breeding or quality to be above anyone. Even if you have the breeding, you lack the character and quality. Who do you think you are? I have followed your postings for a while now. Everytime you come on this site you think the Arabs are better than the Africans. Of course you will say that, descended from that bloodline. You Arabs are all the same. There is nothing noble about you no matter how much you try to fool yourselves. You may fool others who would buy anything given to them under the guise of religion, but I have dinned and drank with you lot, I have mingled in your circles and I can tell you there is nothing noble about you. Of course you will come back to me with your twaddle trying to explain the different races of the Arab world as usual. You are all Arabs and share the same gene pool no matter how much you try to fool yourself. And please dont tell me again that Arabs are cousins of Africans. Certain Arabs are cousins of certain Africans as a result of marriage or rape. End off. We are of a different bloodline - do not dilute the bloodlines. Now go away. I said you are dismissed! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 13:22:18
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No you did not tell ‘anti-muslim’. I am telling you that you are anti-muslim based on your posts which have no intelligence to be honest. Whether you admit or not, you are not only anti-muslim you are disgrace to humanity.
How am I a bigot? I do not have any generalization for any collective group associating something bad. I am only singling you out being a sub-human who did not complete to evolve being a human. You present a good case for Darwin being right. I am not insulting you for nothing. I am insulting you based on your constant bigoted views. I will continue to insult you and expose how disgusting bigot you are until you apologize from each Muslim brother and sister here.
You don’t even grasp how you disrespectful to more than a billion people. Why would I think Arabs are better than Africans? I am not even Arab! Besides, I am always critical on Arabs who lived under the protection of ottoman empire for centuries until they betray during WW1. See how ignorant you are. Arabs are your cousins. When you insult them, you insult your own race. Turks are cousins for Japanese and Korean. What is your education level? Primary school? You are also probably Arab, as you already indicated your Arabic blood flowing in you and how it influenced on your ancestor by rape or marriage. You explain how you have an Arabic blood in you. Not me. Don’t be shame about your blood. Your great grand father was probably Arab.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 17:54:21
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‘I am only singling you out being a sub-human who did not complete to evolve being a human.’
You are the sub-human you son of Satan. Take a good look at yourself and you will find there is nothing human about you.
‘I am insulting you based on your constant bigoted views. I will continue to insult you and expose how disgusting bigot you are until you apologize from each Muslim brother and sister here.’
Oh please! Give me strength. You talk of bigoted views, any views I express I point you to relevant sources [historical] – using various sources and modern day evidence. You on the other hand lack the intelligence hence the reason you can only copy and paste from Wikipedia. Talk about sub- human! You insult because that is the only way you can express yourself. I cannot blame you for that. Your brain has not yet developed.
‘Why would I think Arabs are better than Africans?’
Good question. A question you should be asking yourself every time you write your twaddle comparing Arabs to Africans. But perhaps I am expecting too much of you -; forgetting you lack the capabilities.
‘Arabs are your cousins. When you insult them, you insult your own race.
You are also probably Arab, as you already indicated your Arabic blood flowing in you and how it influenced on your ancestor by rape or marriage. You explain how you have an Arabic blood in you. Not me. Don’t be shame about your blood. Your great grand father was probably Arab.’
I can tell you categorically, there is no Arab blood in my direct bloodline. Not only am fully knowledgeable about the genealogy and history of my family, scientific evidence through human genome using various reputable companies shows no Arab blood running through my veins – thankfully. This of course did not surprise me because I know the migration and genealogy of both my father’s and mother’s line. I am no mongrel. Make no mistake. It is the Arabs themselves who are not pure blood – for obvious reasons. If you do not know the reasons, I suggest you go and read your history.
I have no Arab cousins and when I do insult them I do not insult my own race. Again you are not very bright so I will not hold that against you. As I have said to you on several occasions, you lack the intelligence to even quote me correctly and dissect information. Where have I indicated or implied that - I have Arabic blood flowing in me through my ancestors as a result of marriage or rape?
’Certain Arabs are cousins of certain Africans as a result of marriage or rape’ -
That was what I said. Again, you jump the gun without absorbing facts.
You are an Arab. You belong to that blood group. Deal with it. As for me, I am very happy with my lineage thank you very much. It has not been tarnished by the blood of the north. So nothing you say faces me. Before you know anybody else, you have to know yourself and I know myself.
Enjoy this last posting of mine about this very issue. I will not give you the honour of replying to any posting you care to make about this topic. I will respond to anybody else’s posting, not yours. You lack honour. You lack dignity and pride. You lack the social standing and education to challenge me. You are beneath contempt. You are hereby ex-communicated.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 22:51:25
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You are the sub-human you son of Satan. Take a good look at yourself and you will find there is nothing human about you.
Satan is originated from Judeo/Christian/Islamic religion. See how confused you are; you deny the religion of Islam but at the same time, you believe in the concept ‘satan’ Islam defines. You are hilariously funny when you try to attempt to debate on issues that are too complex for your kind.
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A question you should be asking yourself every time you write your twaddle comparing Arabs to Africans.
Yeah, I am comparing because historically both are related. Even you admit the relationship between Arabs and Africans. They have been doing trade with you for last a few thousands years. Arabs are living next to your country, 90 percent of your nation accept Islam as religion which was introduced to you by Arabs and yet you still deny how Arabic influence on your ethnicity. And what is wrong with being influence by Arab. Tamsier, whether you like it or not, the Arabic blood is flowing in you. Don’t deny it. And there is nothing wrong with that. There is only one race, human race. We are all equal.
Let me explain why I realized that you are subhuman. Only sub-humans like you have bigoted views. You have certain characteristics that you are not one of us. Your racist and discriminative view is well documented about Arabs and Muslims. I have to expose you, because no-one in this board, insulted the other board members like you. Our non-Muslims members may have critics on Islam but, as a human, they know the limitation in terms of respect on others. On the other hand, you do not have the one of the human quality of being able to socialize with others. That is why you are sub-human. You show characteristics only animals display. But don’t worry, I will educate you and help you became you evolve.
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Not only am fully knowledgeable about the genealogy and history of my family, scientific evidence through human genome using various reputable companies shows no Arab blood running through my veins….It is the Arabs themselves who are not pure blood ….. It has not been tarnished by the blood of the north.
Sorry, let me ask this question. That is too funny. Have you tested if you have Arab blood in your veins? Tamsier, you are getting even funnier. Please keep posting. You wanted to see if you have pure blood or not. See this is another one distinguishes between you and us (humans). Humans are one race. We do not care if we are pure blood French or Japanase. We humans interact, mate and communicate. Just like your ancestor, Arabs with west African, Caucasians with Asians. It is normal. There is nothing wrong with that. Let me explain with simpler terms. There are nothing wrong with African person and a white person come together and have kids. We are one race, human race. The child is not pure African and White and there is nothing with that. Pure blood? What are you? I have now seconds thought, in addition to Arabs, you also have some Adolf Hitler in you.
Let me finish with a quote from my idol. He is from the same religion that you insulted. This is what Islam brings to humanity. He is a muslim. He is African. He is my brother. Not yours.
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"There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 : 00:56:26
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"...my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam..".
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Turk, I do not know what friend of yours you are quoting and i do not need to hear this person's name or any other particulars.
But what 'white attitude being removed by the religion of Islam' is this person talking about?? Do you have any idea how many times you expressed yourself in an insulting manner towards whites and more specifically 'Yankeestan'- by quoting your 'idol' you show us again that you condemn the 'white attitude' (whatever it may be).
Furthermore i think it is insulting to call someone 'a sub-human son of Satan', doesn't matter how many words you use to explain because irrespective of (religious) background, here on Bantaba we all are aware of the fact that 'Satan' is the worst of the worst. Then you grab all too enthousiastically Tamsier's words to announce that he is in the same league with Hitler. No, this is not what he is talking about - he is talking about the fact that his family's bloodline is pure African, there is no Arab influence. I could just as well tell you that my family's bloodline is pure Caucasian, there is no evidence of either Asian, African or Arab influence. Does that put me in the 'Hitler-group'?? No, i am just stating something factual.
I do agree with you when you say there is only one race, the human race. What a pity you cannot keep it at that - the way you react to postings in your very own rather patronising way only helps to make differences larger and more difficult to overcome. If you would like us to agree among us that Islam is a peaceful religion, why do you always react in such an unpeaceful way?
I was brought up in the Christian way, i was told to always 'turn and show the other cheek'.
I do not like these kind of discussions. i do not think anyone should be dismissed or, even worse 'excommunicated', - but the way you react will get us, will get the human race, nowhere... |
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turk
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 : 01:32:15
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I could just as well tell you that my family's bloodline is pure Caucasian, there is no evidence of either Asian, African or Arab influence. Does that put me in the 'Hitler-group'??
No. But if you ridicule other ethnic group and go test your DNA just to prove you are not particular to that ethnic group, and thinking having that specific blood in you ridicolous, it is Hitlerish to me.
Oh. I thought you were going to say that you are with a Muslim and you were going to object on Islam/muslims being portrayed as violent religion. Anyway.
It is Malcolm X. Obviously now is different, but 1960s, African Americans were not allowed to sit in the buses, toilets were arranged for different race, african americans were not allowed to go to universities. So there are different circumstances. Yes I am condeming 'white attitude' as Malcolm X refered that time. Because it was 'white attitude' did not allow African Americans to go to the toilet specifically designed for white. Don't you condemn white attitude of 60s? It is purely racist. When you go to toilet you see the sign saying 'whites only'. SO that is white attitude.
FIrst of all, Yankeestan is not for white. I am refering to 'government of america'. So your relating 'white' with 'yankeestan' is balooney. It is for americans which includes all kind of race. Condo Rice was black executing American policy. America is not a nation based on race. The president of Yankeestan is Obama. He is an African American. I have never expressed myself insulting manner towards whites. My family has caucasian blood not that important. (From Balkan region.)
How do you know that you are pure Causcasian? Did you test that too? |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jun 2009 : 15:04:55
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Anna,
Don't waste your time on this thing. It is exactly what you have said before in another posting. He tries to change issue so people can give up. I can go futher. He insults people because that is the only way he can express himself. My Jewish friends would be appauled to hear someone refer to me as Hitler. He of course does not have no Jewish people in his circle of friends. If he did, he would know better and not be too quick to label everyone hitler. Hitler killed 6 million Jews probably more - whose only crime was for being Jewish. They were hard working men and women including children who have done no wrong to anyone. They help built Germany into what it is today. After they killed them, they stole their properties and appropriated it among themselves. Whom have I killed? Whose property have I stolen? The answer to both: NO ONE'S.
I don't waste my time on these kind of people, because they lack intellect. As you rightly noted if he wants us believe Islam is a peaceful religion why does he always react in an unpeaceful way?
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 26 Jun 2009 : 09:41:49
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Q2.132: nevertheless, Islam will remain criticized until end of the last day although is getting smaller daily in amount, according to the statistics how many tuning in. Alhamdu lillahi.
HE informed in surat Al hashr (59.5)
Ma qataatum min leenat awu tarktumouha qa imata aala usouliha fabiithni Allhe waliyukhsiya alfasiqeena= you cut down sensitive palms, or you let them standing on their roots, it was leave by Allah in order (He) to cover with the same the rebellious transgressed. Exactly this makes Islam unique, graced by Ar-raqib, the watchfuller.
Man has a problem and so long he does not realize that he has a problem will remain in his cage and keep blaming on and on.
Islam is No way violent religion if it goes on right way according to.
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