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tamsier
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 May 2009 : 07:01:16
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Turk,
Are you really blind or are you just trying to annoy me?
Did you read the paper? Please read it again.
Isn't it obvious to you that the paper made a connection between this recent sacriledge in Senegal with Islam? I have already noted this above and would not do it here again. You do not have to take my word for it, please read and digest the paper before you make a remark like this:
While you claim that the topic is about 'senegal' you make the reference to Islam.
I made the reference to Islam because it is in the paper. I did not make it up. HONESTLY! |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 22 May 2009 07:02:42 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 08:23:32
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Tamsier
You are killing me. It is obvious to me that the paper made a connection between this recent sacriledge in Senegal with Islam. I accept that. And you agree on that article and you provided your thoughts that Islam is contributing to the issue. I accept that. You also mentioned before Islam Senegambia area had more tolerance.
OK, now turk come in. Turks says following.
It is unfair that the islam is being sole reasonf for the situation in Senegal. While Senegalese are Muslims, they are also Africans. The negative attitutude toward Homosexuality is not solely based on Islam. African/Middleeastern cultures also contribute the negative attitude towards Homosexuality.
I gave the non-african nations like Bosnians, Albanians, Kosovans, Muslim Bulgarians as more tolarate towards Homosexuals while they are Muslims. I also give reference that other African nations who are not muslims have similar attitude towards Homosexuals.
I also made connection between african and middleeastern culture are related in terms of language, geography and pre-islamic animistic religion.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2009 : 14:25:54
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Turk,
It is obvious to me that the paper made a connection between this recent sacrilege in Senegal with Islam. I accept that. And you agree on that article and you provided your thoughts that Islam is contributing to the issue. I accept that.
Thanks for agreeing with me. So what is your problem?
You also mentioned before Islam Senegambia area had more tolerance.
In the context of this recent heresy in Senegal, yes. Digging up the dead in this fashion was taboo – hence my remark:
‘Senegambia has a long tradition of tolerance and respect based on tradition long before Islam. In the old days digging up the death in this fashion would have been considered a taboo; a heresy and the breaching of custom and tradition regardless of the deceased’s character during his lifetime’.
I can even go further, by saying that was still the case until this recent incident, hence the reason I agree with the content and context of the paper when it said:
"Goor-jiggen" (men-women) dress up as women, socialise with females and have long been tolerated in Senegal, a majority Muslim country. However, attitudes seem to be changing.
In a way, this backs up my point about tolerance in Senegambia [or Senegal for you if you please].
It is unfair that the islam is being sole reasonf for the situation in Senegal.
Well! according to the paper it is. You even agreed with me above and by consequence agreed with the paper. In this instance, it is.
While Senegalese are Muslims, they are also Africans.
I couldn't agree more. So what’s your point?
The negative attitutude toward Homosexuality is not solely based on Islam.
In the context of Senegal, it is, as evident in the paper.
African/Middleeastern cultures also contribute the negative attitude towards Homosexuality.
You may be right, but this paper was about what’s happening in Senegal - not what’s happening in the rest of Africa or the Middle East.
I gave the non-african nations like Bosnians, Albanians, Kosovans, Muslim Bulgarians as more tolarate towards Homosexuals while they are Muslims.
I also give reference that other African nations who are not muslims have similar attitude towards Homosexuals.
Again, this paper was about what’s happening in Senegal – not what’s happening in Bosnia, Albania, Kosovo, Bulgaria or other African nations who are not Muslims.
I also made connection between african and middleeastern culture are related in terms of language, geography and pre-islamic animistic religion.
And I told: – ‘Do not dilute the bloodlines and tradition. Interesting it may be, it should not be here. It should be in the history section. Again, if you want to start a new topic I would be more than delighted to respond’.
I meant it when I first said it in relation to the overall context of you posting on this immaterial issue, and I still do.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 15:35:19
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Thanks for agreeing with me. So what is your problem?
OK. I give up as you seem you do not have capability to understand. In summary, Islam is not the sole reason for Africa/Middleeastern attitudes towards homosexual. It is originated from their culture even before pre-islam.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2009 : 16:34:39
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| Grate! Give up. I too give up. By the way I do not lack the capability to understand. It is you who lack the capability to understand simple facts when they are stairing you in the face. I am sorry if I hurt your pride, but you cannot defend Islam in this case. The Latin maxim - 'ceteris paribus' - [the fact speaks for itself]applies here. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2009 : 23:19:32
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Lol. You have no idea what the Ceteris paribus means. Anyway.
Tamsier. Who is defending Islam? You are confused with pre-assumption that I was defending Islam. Did not I acknowledge already that Islam has a negative attitude against Homosexuals? Islam does not accept homosexuality. Still you don't get it. The negative attitude towards homosexuals did not started with Islam. It already existed in African/Middleeastern pre-islam. If Islam did not come to Africa there would be still negative homosexual attitude. It is in African's/Middleeast's cultures.
You are hilarious. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 23:34:24
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Does any religion embrace homosexuality? It is not just Islam but Christianity too that finds it difficult to accept.
I feel we should look at people as PEOPLE FIRST. Are they good? Are they kind? Are they hard working?
Sexuality is secondary to lots of other characteristics. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 00:26:30
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Turk
I sincerely apologies for my wrong quote of the latin maxim. When i was responding to you, i was doing something [joggling two things]. I meant to say res - ipsor liquitor - which means the fact speaks for itself. for your information, ceteris paribus means everything being equal.
peace. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 00:28:38
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gambiabev,
I couldn't have said it any better. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 03:38:25
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| I forgive you tamsier :) But why use latin when you can actually say it in English. Anyway, ceteris paribus does not mean 'everything is being equal'. It is 'every OTHER things being equal'. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 11:16:33
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OK, lets have a latin forum here on Bantaba. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 11:21:25
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| If we did I couldnt join in as I didnt learn any Latin at school. It wasnt an option. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 15:50:48
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Turk
If you are going to quote me please quote me properly. I did not say 'everything is being equal'. I said 'everything being equal' - which somewhat similar/the same as every other thing being equal - which is the actual translation if you really want to be difficult. Any latin scholar would have accepted my translation and realised that people sometimes condensed words without loosing the meaning of a phrase [you see this in many languages even in english]. Further, everything being equal is also sometimes used by scholars for example - ' everything being equal, this or that will happen/be the outcome'. However, since you want to be difficult, I will bow to you Professor Turk.
As regards, to why use latin rather than English, most english maxim originated from latin, why used the secondhand version when you can go to the source. At least this is my philosophy, others may disagree and they are entitled to their own opinion.
peace.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 23 May 2009 16:03:13 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 19:10:33
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Latin is elitist. If you want most people to understand you English is better.
I do agree that most of our expressions and saying probably come from Latin. Also Latin is the base of the English language. I would have liked to have learnt it now I am older.
My mum and dad both learnt it at Grammar school, but I went to comprehensive. I liked my schooling very much, but we didnt do things that were considered old fashioned at the time. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2009 : 19:19:02
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| Are you calling me elitist and old fashion Gambiabev? Your biggest fan. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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