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turk
USA
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 Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 21:20:42
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090106/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2009 : 21:40:47
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From 1946 to 2009.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 09:13:17
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Judea is the ancient home of the Jews. It was later conquered by the Romans who named it Palestine. Palestine then was conquered and inhabited by Arabs. (Remember Arabs conquered Spain too and later lost it; that is what Osama Bin Laden calls “the tragedy of Spain will not be repeated again”).
The Balfour Declaration of 1917, the League of Nations mandated Palestine to be granted to Great Britain in order to establish a Jewish national home in response to the growing Zionist movement. (Remember Bob Marley: Zion train is coming our way; oh people get on board; come get on board ;…)
Arabs did not like Jews to settle in Palestine and they rioted and revolted under Mufti Amin El Husseini. This marked the beginning of hatred and bloodbath between “Palestinians” and “Israelis”.
Following the Holocaust (which Turk and Ahmedinejad consider a myth) in which it is estimated that 6 million Jews were killed in Europe (by Nazis), the United Nations divided Palestine into Jewish and Arab states in 1947.
Again the Arabs refused to accept or recognize Israel, and subsequently a war broke out in 1956 for the first time and then followed by 1967 (where Israel occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, but since returned to Palestine) ,1973, 1982, 2000 and up to now.
The Oslo Accord of 1988 was a major step in Palestine Israel relations because it marked Yasser Arafat and the PLO's agreement to a two-state solution (where the states of Israel and Palestine will live together side by side in peace) instead of taking over all of Palestine for Arabs.
Both the UN (through the Oslo Accord) and the U.S. (through George Bush’s Road Map to Peace) laid out strong commitment to the creation of a Palestinian state, but sadly both of these plans are rejected by HAMAS and its godfather Ahmadenejad of Iran. HAMAS and Tehran insist that Israel is not entitled to an existence, that Israel should be wiped off the map of the world. What kind of people are these?
HAMAS continues to unleash terror using weapons smuggled from Iran. HAMAS militants continue to hide behind Palestinian civilians and civilian institutions while they strike Israel so that any Israeli response will inflict heavy civilian casualties and create international outcry. That has always been HAMAS’ game plan. If Madiba and Turk care so much about civilian casualties (like I absolutely do) they need to tell the truth about HAMAS. That is what Ban Ki Moon, U.N. Sec. Gen. did today. That is what people who are not myopic due to religious bigotry are saying today …
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 10:05:02
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Originally posted by kayjatta
........... The Portuguese needed to leave Guinea Bissau and return to their own country.
..............FYI, whenever we start buying gas at $40 per gallon we'll invade Saudi Arabia  .
there are many people in Palestine who will accept you first statement under their current situation.
Regarding the second, it actually shows what is wrong with your thinking (invasion mentality) and indeed with that of the US/Israeli. The solution to the 'world' problems will not be solved by invasions.
I'm sure you and you Israeli freinds think Hamas has weapons of Mass Destruction.
regarding the historical aspects, surely you cannot accept the fact that immigrants from Eastern Europe, Russia, Ethiopia running away from poverty, discrimination in their own countries can have more rights to the land in Palestine than the native arabs. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 10:12:51
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| HAMAS and weapons of Mass Destruction? No way Njucks, it is not possible. They still throw stones . |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jan 2009 : 20:22:54
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Bev there is no such thing as disproportionate response in this case. If someone is firing a barrage of rockets at your civilian citizens indiscriminately while hiding behind their own civilians and civilian institutions, what do you do? Just throw one bomb at them and allow them run away and regroup and start firing at you again? I happen to think that the threat of HAMAS needs to be dealt with once and for all so that one day Palestinians can finally have peace and their long-dreamed state...
Kayjatta you are comfortable with American backed policy & Israels political conspiracies when terror & genocide is unleased against Palestine. The same operation happened at Jennin even before Hamas won a democratic election. This is a war against Palestine and not against Hamas. It is Palestine territory occupied and Palestinians (citizens) on mass murders, its infrastructues destroyed and having a global impact on us.
If there is justice, why did the Americans supply the arms and finance for Israel to fight enemies and Iran dare not support Palestine, Lebanon or any middle east country?
You cannot justify Israels' actions but foolishly endorsing Bush/Isreal leaders political strategy ("War on terror!"). What war on terror if you can fly F16 anytime to bomb any country and can occupy any country that is overpowered? Those(freedom fighters) throwing stones on tankers are the HEROES OF RESISTANCE!
You don't appreciate that this cycle of violence is a humanitarian & global crisies You think that Hamas (IDEOLOGY) can be defeated by indiscriminate killings and shattering of Palestine state infrastructures?
We were reveiwing all blunders of past/present conflicts; hoping for a peaceful year until this CONSPIRACY (TO ATTACK PALESTINE/HAMAS) SURFACED. Israel always want to be on spotlight and now this ON-GOING TERROR is an eclispe Obama's time FOR THE CHANGE ON AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY inter alias.
What is at stake is immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of Israel troops; because there is complete occupation/border blockages. Its not about blame games on "Rockets!" "human sheild!" "Militants using mosque, schools & hospitals!" |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 00:31:30
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Judea is the ancient home of the Jews. It was later conquered by the Romans who named it Palestine. Palestine then was conquered and inhabited by Arabs. (Remember Arabs conquered Spain too and later lost it; that is what Osama Bin Laden
calls “the tragedy of Spain will not be repeated again”).
OK, you are talking about 4000 years ago. I am talking about now. I am talking about the time your mother was still alive. You are getting more inconsistent with the each post. Anyway.
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The Balfour Declaration of 1917, the League of Nations mandated Palestine to be granted to Great Britain in order to establish a Jewish national home in response to the growing Zionist movement. (Remember Bob Marley: Zion train is coming our way; oh people get on board; come get on board ;…)
Arabs did not like Jews to settle in Palestine and they rioted and revolted under Mufti Amin El Husseini. This marked the beginning of hatred and bloodbath between “Palestinians” and “Israelis”.
Balfour Declaration means nothing. It was a political document for British Empire.
It was the mother of the most unfair decision. Let me analyse for you in simple terms about this decision you are talking about so you may be understand how unfair it is.
1. It is started with domestic initiative, Balfour decleration. This decleration has no authority or power in international law system.
2. It was just after WWII. The decision process was biased and unfair as the winners of the war dictated any decision they wanted. Palestinians were not part of the WWII. The decision was forced.
3. The decision did not include the voice of Palestinians. That time Palestine land was under British Authority so British Government Represented Palestinians.
4. There was not Jewish population in the region. It wasn’t natural migration that jews going to Palestine.
5. The British was decision maker, also owner of Belfour declaration. Also have veto power and able to pass anything in the league of nations. You can’t have a fair decision under the circumstances where persecutor, judge, witness are same.
6. That time jews were living in Europe. If there was a Zionist movement, the perfect place to have a country was in Europe. Zionist movement was against Holocoust. So European should have paid price for their crime. Not Palestinians.
7. There was a religious reason behind for this decision. “promise land’ for ‘chosen people’. This is religious belief, in a secular institution, politics, there must be a principles to separate religion from politics. The decision of Israel was religious based on Christianity. Does not make non-christians to obey.
Bob Marley did not mean European jewish with any of his songs. He meant the lost African tribe ending up in Jamaica. You are confused Kayjatta.
I have doubt about your judgement ability. You should not be any judge. What do you expect Mufti Amin to do. Europeans are bringing jews to Palestine, they are going to establish a country, why should Amin welcome the jews? Why should he revolt?
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Following the Holocaust (which Turk and Ahmedinejad consider a myth) in which it is estimated that 6 million Jews were killed in Europe (by Nazis), the United Nations divided Palestine into Jewish and Arab states in 1947.
Ha ha ha. You are getting desparete Kayjatta. That is why you want to have character assassination/demonization of me. I have never consider the Holocaust is the myth. Please back up your claim with my quotes. Holocaust happened by the Europeans and WASP is still hate jews. The problem, why muslim pay the price of Europeans. Muslims have been protector of Jews for 500 years before 1948.
You see, you adopted same habit. Holocaust is Anti-Jewish movement. It belongs to your country or Europe. The problem Palestine and Muslims is about Israel. You proven one more time you confused the terms. There is a significant difference between anti-jews and anti-isreal. Capito?
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Again the Arabs refused to accept or recognize Israel, and subsequently a war broke out in 1956 for the first time and then followed by 1967 (where Israel occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, but since returned to Palestine) ,1973, 1982, 2000 and up to now.
Why should they? There was no country called Israel before 1948. There were no jews to establish a country in the region. All jews come under British rule. Why should they accept. If you were Palestine, you would fight too? No?
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The Oslo Accord of 1988 was a major step in Palestine Israel relations because it marked Yasser Arafat and the PLO's agreement to a two-state solution (where the states of Israel and Palestine will live together side by side in peace) instead of taking over all of Palestine for Arabs.
The question is who broke the oslo accord. Which terrorist activity happened after. A Israeli terrorist assassinated Rabin? No?
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U.S. (through George Bush’s Road Map to Peace) laid out strong commitment to the creation of a Palestinian state, but sadly both of these plans are rejected by HAMAS and its godfather Ahmadenejad of Iran. HAMAS and Tehran insist that Israel is not entitled to an existence, that Israel should be wiped off the map of the world. What kind of people are these?
How? Bush veto all UN resolution against Israel just like they did for more than 50 years. Hamas won the election, but US and Israel did not accept them as government. No?
What kind of people are you to support to wipe of Palestine including the children were massacred under UN run school?
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That is what Ban Ki Moon, U.N. Sec. Gen. did today.
After Israel’s attack on UN school to massacre children, He said he was "deeply dismayed" by the strikes on the schools and called them "totally unacceptable."
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 06:43:37
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The Bob Marley quote I have given above is to provide an analogy of a different but similar movement in history. You need to be open-minded Mr. Turk.
The rest of your post is just the same argument with history; your usual "pounding of the table". Should I even bother to respond again and risk repeating myself over and over?
The pathway to peace in Palestine/Israel relations is through the United Nations resolutions, not terrorism and denial of history. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 09:30:50
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They still throw stones .
Kay - your words together with the chosen smilie is truly offensive below pictures of death. In my opinion it should be removed.
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The pathway to peace in Palestine/Israel relations is through the United Nations resolutions, not terrorism and denial of history
Will that be on the interpretation of Israel, or according to to the rest of the world? Do you remember thoroughly the UN Resolution 242?
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 09:52:05
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Originally posted by sab
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They still throw stones .
Kay - your words together with the chosen smilie is truly offensive below pictures of death. In my opinion it should be removed.
I respect your great opinion, Sab but I must admit that I have no clue what quality of thinking give you that opinion...
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The pathway to peace in Palestine/Israel relations is through the United Nations resolutions, not terrorism and denial of history
Will that be on the interpretation of Israel, or according to to the rest of the world? Do you remember thoroughly the UN Resolution 242?
Well I guess you can't tell difference between U.N. and Israel, can you???
Yes, I do remember U.N. resolution 242.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2009 : 21:01:11
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The Bob Marley quote I have given above is to provide an analogy of a different but similar movement in history. You need to be open-minded Mr. Turk.
The rest of your post is just the same argument with history; your usual "pounding of the table". Should I even bother to respond again and risk repeating myself over and over?
The pathway to peace in Palestine/Israel relations is through the United Nations resolutions, not terrorism and denial of history.
I can be open minded but i can't accept an analogy which does not make any sense. I am open minded. I want a solution for jews who have been massacred and kicked out Europe by Europeans. But not at the expense of innocent, palestinians. I am proposing a country for israel in Scotland.
Kayjatta. You are not continue to debate! Because nothing you post here have any logic. You wanted to try character assasination by associating me with Ahmedinejat and charging me anti-jewish as you did not get that there is significant difference between anti-jewish and objection of israel and my objection of israel has nothing to do with anti-jewish stance in west. You support a political process based on religous ideology which is against your principle of secularism. And most important you disrespect the deaths of children and other civilans. You did not even condemn the israeli attack on UN run school, furhter you make fun of palestinians dying with your weird sense of humour was disgrace. You are out of gas. Anyway thanks for the debate. I am sorry to hear that you finish debating on this issue. See you on the next discussion.
Denying history. OK, let me give you what you will respond to same topic in year 2030. Quote
Kayjatta says: Well, we can't argue about history. When Israel massacra palestinians in 2009 in Gaza, they had a right to defend themselves. Let us move on. There is no such country called palestine and most palestinians living in Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan as refugee must be accepted. We must accept Israel and its border including Gaza and West Jericho and most important Jarusalem is the capital of Israel. Move on. We can't change the history. Shalom.
So Kayjatta
From News: About 750 Palestinians and 12 Israelis have died in the 13 days of fighting in Gaza, an assault launched by Israel in an attempt to halt rocket fire from the territory, which is controlled by the militant group Hamas.
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So hundreds are wounded, no food, shelter due to blockade in the middle of the winter. Any you have no sympathy for these people. I am wondering, do you have any compassion for victims. I have not heard any statement that you are sorry for the deaths further you find it ammusing palestinians situation as they have nothing to fight against the superpower, Israel. Or your perspective is: 'best muslims are death muslims'.
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Here is what UN saying about the situation
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090108/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 22:56:39
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I happen to think that the threat of HAMAS needs to be dealt with once and for all so that one day Palestinians can finally have peace and their long-dreamed state...
The EXTREMIST ISRAEL LEADERS WOULD NEVER ACCEPT THAT DREAM COMING TRUE Similary like PROPHET ESSA ("JESUS") WOULD NEVER BE THE PROMISED MESSIAH FOR JEWS AND THEY CANNOT ACCEPT THE BIBLE NOR QU'RAN!
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[ii]Originally posted by kayjatta[/i]
The pathway to peace in Palestine/Israel relations is through the United Nations resolutions, not terrorism and denial of history.
UN RESOLUTIONS UNWORKABLE ISRAEL NOT PAYING HEED UN HALTS AID TO GAZA; CITES DEATH OF WORKER! U.N EVEN CONSIDERING WAR CRIMES AGAINST ISRAEL ACCORDING TO ASSESSMENT OF MEDIA REPORTS OF ISRAEL ATTACK, DESTRUCTION AND IN-DESCRIMINATE MASS MURDERS!
CNN reports; Israel, Hamas brush off U.N. cease-fire resolution under http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/israel.gaza/index.html
Al-Jazeera reports; Gaza under fire despite truce call under http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200919819627784.html |
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kayjatta
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 16:23:23
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Anyone who is in concession and blood running in his/hers vain will have not tow mine for what is going on. Israel has a power to go after Hamas but that is not their intention but destruction of whole innocent children and women's.
Yes i took part of demonstration recently in(Bamako) Mali(which I never did before, not even bush's inversion) on one friday praying not because Am a Muslim but because Am Human.
Even Animals have a respect for life, so when i see the so call civilizing world shutting up their mouth then was clear to me again that this is another long arms of the evils!
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Jan 2009 : 10:11:54
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mbay, israel's illegal activities will probably end this weekend not because people are being killed(children 300) but because i doubt if americans would allow such crimes to overshadow the historic inauguration of President Obama.
imagine him swearing-in and bombs exploding in Gaza. you'll see they'll ''reach a ceasefire'' very soon.
thats how low Kayjatta's people will go. |
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