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turk
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 Posted - 15 Jan 2009 : 21:32:00
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it will go down to
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
Israel has no respect for human rights, dignity and no fear even from UN. I am not sure Obama has any power to do anything. Clinton made it clear there is no change in US position in terms of israel. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
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kayjatta
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 09:26:45
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In this link below, The Point newspaper presented three different opinions from three different religious leaders, two muslim Imams (Imam Fatty of the State House mosque and Imam Baba Leigh of the Fajara mosque), and a Christian, Father Gomez.
The three opinions are strikingly different, but you cannot perhaps fail to again see that both Imam Leigh (in the first paragraph of his text and father Gomez (in the second paragraph of his text) offered sound solutions to the Israel/Palestine problem.
Only Imam Fatty failed to provide a solution. All that Fatty offered is a rambling complain without any suggestion of how to solve the problem. I think that tells a lot of that kind of thinking and attitude...
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/gambias-religious-leaders-speak-on-israel-palestine-war |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 20:39:43
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Kayjatta
The school of thought you represent here, the thinking and attitude are the biggest obstacle for the peace. More than 1000 death, half of them children and women. Israel attack on UN facilities, yet there have not been even one UN resolution condeming Israel. The thinking is that Israel act is legit because they have uniform. Israel right to exist and defend themselves but palestinians should only be allowed to use rocks. The attitude is that one did not even offer any regret for deaths, also no condemnation of attack on UN.
In my opinion, all of the leaders provided different perspectives which are all valid. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 16 Jan 2009 20:43:22 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 22:46:24
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Originally posted by njucks
mbay, israel's illegal activities will probably end this weekend not because people are being killed(children 300) but because i doubt if americans would allow such crimes to overshadow the historic inauguration of President Obama.
imagine him swearing-in and bombs exploding in Gaza. you'll see they'll ''reach a ceasefire'' very soon.
thats how low Kayjatta's people will go.
THATS A PASSIONATE AFFAIR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND ITS AMERICAN CONSPIRATORS (i.e "F16s, ARMS, VETO, ABSTENTION & BILLION DOLLAR DEFENSE BUDGET! THEY CANNOT BE SPARED ON WAR CRIMES AND AGAINST HUMANITY LET THEM FOLLOW POLICIES, POLITICAL INTERESTS AND SACRIFICE HUMANITY
Courtesy of Al-Jazeera; Israel 'set to halt war on Gaza' under http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/2009116181426127417.html
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 07:58:10
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UN votes on Israel. Meanwhile, Israel tells US how to vote!
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090112/world/israel_us_rice_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1860
Later,
The resolution reiterated the legally-binding UN Security Council resolution adopted last Thursday.
The vote was 142-4 with eight abstentions, with Israel, the United States, Kayjatta ( Nauru and Venezuela voting against the resolution, because they hoped for a stronger statement)
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 16:28:15
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Bombing of a UN school today.
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A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 20:34:25
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How was UN vote?
The draft resolution demanding full respect for Security Council resolution 1860 (2009) (document A/ES-10/L.21/Rev.1) was adopted by a recorded vote of 142 in favour to 4 against, with 8 abstentions, as follows:
In favour: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gambia, Germany, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russian Federation, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Thailand, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
Against: Israel, Nauru, United States, Venezuela.
Abstain: Australia, Canada, Côte d’Ivoire, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Nigeria, Syria.
Absent: Antigua and Barbuda, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Fiji, Gabon, Georgia, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Kiribati, Kyrgyzstan, Liberia, Malawi, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, Philippines, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Samoa, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Somalia, Sudan, Suriname, Timor-Leste, Tonga, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Vanuatu.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jan 2009 : 21:29:34
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Originally posted by kayjatta
In this link below, The Point newspaper presented three different opinions from three different religious leaders, two muslim Imams (Imam Fatty of the State House mosque and Imam Baba Leigh of the Fajara mosque), and a Christian, Father Gomez.
The three opinions are strikingly different, but you cannot perhaps fail to again see that both Imam Leigh (in the first paragraph of his text and father Gomez (in the second paragraph of his text) offered sound solutions to the Israel/Palestine problem.
Only Imam Fatty failed to provide a solution. All that Fatty offered is a rambling complain without any suggestion of how to solve the problem. I think that tells a lot of that kind of thinking and attitude...
http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/gambias-religious-leaders-speak-on-israel-palestine-war
Let us see others attitude and thinking. How about a jew. Let us read what this jew is thinking. (P.S. Kayjatta, just clarification, this lady is not a member of al-kaida and she has no ties to radical islam. This may also help you understand that anti-semitism and the opposition to israel are two different issues)
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Former television star Roseanne Barr has denounced Israel's military campaign against Hamas in Gaza, labeling Israel a "Nazi state."
A screen shot of Roseanne Barr's personal blog.
Photo: www.roseanneworld.com/blog
In a post on her personal blog, which appears at her Web site, Roseanne World, the comedienne, who is Jewish, wrote on December 30 that she had planned to travel with pro-Palestinian activists on a protest boat sailing from Cyprus to Gaza.
After an encounter with an Israel Navy vessel, the boat was turned back and sailed into a Lebanese port on Tuesday.
"I said Israel will attack any boat carrying doctors and medical supplies," Barr wrote on her blog, adding that, "Israel is a NAZI state. The Jewish Soul is being tortured in Israel."
The Emmy-award winning actress, who has courted controversy in the past, also condemned Israel's counter-terror operation against Hamas, asserting that, "The destruction of the Jews in Israel has been assured with this inhuman attack on civilians in Gaza."
In her post, Barr likened Hamas to "street gangs" in the Los Angeles neighborhood of Watts, saying that Israel's military campaign is the "equivalent to Los Angeles attacking and launching war on the people of Watts to kill 'the Bloods' and 'the Crips.'"
Barr's comments were first revealed by conservative commentator Debbie Schlussel on her blog, Debbieschlussel.com, and then reported on the Newsbusters Web site, which is a project of the conservative media watchdog group, the Media Research Center.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Jan 2009 21:31:19 |
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kayjatta
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 22 Jan 2009 : 17:42:37
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Originally posted by kayjatta
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/opinion/22qaddafi.html?th&emc=th
a very good article Kay, maybe it will change your thinking. i quote, below, some of its text which is similar to what i posted before about Russian jews owning land in Israel whilst the original inhabitants are now refugees.
It is an injustice that Jews who were not originally inhabitants of Palestine, nor were their ancestors, can move in from abroad while Palestinians who were displaced only a relatively short time ago should not be so permitted.
however i dont think after all this killing they can live together. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 06:42:07
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The reason I shared the article is that its central idea concurs (agree but for different reasons) with my (our) position that these two peoples (Palestinians and Israelis) have to live together. Now we suggest a "two-state solution", the article by Gaddaffi suggests a "one-state solution".
However, your (and HAMAS) position is that Israel should not exist. Now that is where the problem lies. Well there is no other choice; these two people will have to live together, whether in peace or at war... Their fate is sealed by history. See how cruel history can be, but even after this bloody 'war' (should we call it a war? I thought it was just a smashing of HAMAS)perhaps they should learned from the Hutus and Tutsis; oh maybe South Africa or Obama and Hillary Clinton that lasting peace can be built on forgiving and forgetting ... |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 09:34:43
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Originally posted by kayjatta
....However, your (and HAMAS) position is that Israel should not exist.?
............ but even after this bloody 'war' (should we call it a war?
i said earlier that people who impose silly statements like '' the right of Israel to exist'' should be equally reminded of the right of Palestine to exist.
you can't call it a war, it was an onslaught, agrression on innocent people using illegal weapons, an attempt to turn a trapped people in Gaza into a concentration camp.
shameful
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 10:07:28
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| Yes Palestine no doubt has a right to exist; but do you think that it is a silly statement to say that "Israel has a right to exist"? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 23 Jan 2009 : 10:34:43
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Kayj
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However, your (and HAMAS) position is that Israel should not exist.
Israel existence is not legimate as long as Palestine does not exist. Israel's right to exist is questionable until the existence of Palestine come to the reality. Currently Israel's existence is at the expense of Palestinian's non-existence. That is a problem.
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should we call it a war? I thought it was just a smashing of HAMAS
Actually it was more like 'war crime' as more than 400 children died, Israel attack on UN building, use chemical weapons.. Your and (your) position that these people can be killed because they are worthless. Your position supports israel's right to attack on UN and murdering babies.
Israel position is wait until the last palestine refugee to die, so they can be in better position in the negotiation table. Your position is support of war crimes.
I am hoping Obama continue to fight against your position. It was great that he close down the illegal prison in Cuba and stop torturing muslims without any legal access. Your and Dubya's position, war on terrorism must be remembered as the darkest time of 21st century.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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