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lurker
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 Posted - 12 Jul 2008 : 23:06:53
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| sab, bless you and your interest in my saga. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2009 : 22:22:07
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O well, the poem wasn't locked yet. instead of reproducing it again, we can just revive it. i believe that jammeh must go . I think he haven't help it either when he falsely accuse others of coups. The same feeling I have about his wrong way of coming to power on july 22nd. I think that his reign is a killer-administration. Coups are really outdated. In as much i feel that jammeh must go away, I am scared of blood...most of the time, the victims are innocent and helpless women, children and etc... I was too young at the time of 81 coup, just 3 years old then...but I tell you friends...coups are bad. We must seek to unite our forces....lift the pens, the kind of radical movements seeking redress of failed justice systems and human rights. If Gambians unite against jammeh, that alone is enough to send him packing....much more to talk about a unified force contesting against him. If not for sitting on voter aparthy, hope is just a way to revive a people who lost it.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 10:09:51
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Thanks Admin for bringing this topic back.
Dalton it is 28yrs ago, but reading the poem again brings back the memories quite fresh in my mind. In 1981 it was untrained bandits with few trained security men against a professional foreign army. The use of weapons of high caliber were limited yet the carnage was overwhelming.
Now imagine with the size , weapons , experience of the present day armed forces, if there was going to be coup and counter-coup, imagine the damage. Remember the Ansumana manneh and Nino stand-off? Let nobody fool you Jammeh has still got soldiers willing to die for him. This group no matter their size will put up a resistance.
I am of the belief that with a dedicated opposition and right approach any government on the face of the earth could be unseated or better defeated at the polls.
Pacific approach doesnt mean the endorsement of a regime. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 12:48:11
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Bro Madis,
Ever since I read this poem, it has been in my mind...I have learnt to add to the little I possessed , and finally bro coups are bad...blood! blood! blood! Let no one fool you.
This is a nice poem, and if you grant me permission, I would love to have it carried on GON as well.
thanks Mawdo
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
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Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 13:23:29
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There is no need for self glorification here. There are several people here who are against military coups and are on record many times over on this forum arguing vehemently against violent change when others were advocating for "change by any means necessary". Let us dig up more in the archieves ...
Kayjatta for one has consistently argued against military coups, both inside and outside of this forum. During the 1981 attempted coup, I was already an avid consumer of both national and international news. We are fully aware of the causes and effects of that incident in 1981. Every military coup has both a military as well as a societal factor to it.
Kayjatta's rejection of military regimes is not based on any fictitious sentiments of consideration for purported loved ones; his rejection of military regimes is solidly grounded in principles, knowing that military regimes are not only violent; they are also inherently undemocratic. This is why even the constitutionally backed coup in Honduras cannot be viewed as justified, in my view.
Let's face the facts, the issue 'at bar' here is not about who supports or does not support military coups in the Gambia. The issue in contention based on THE ECHO' report is about the precarious security situation in the Gambia. All these puffing and side talk does not change that fact... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2009 : 15:15:22
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Kay,
If any one is glorying himself it is you Kay. Kay one thing that you must know is that we are Gambians as much as you are. We have a right to say anything that we think is against our interest as Gambians. We are merely expressing our fundamental human right. NO amount of cyber-bullying will silence us. If you have traded home for another thats your sole right. But because you in the safety of the US you can wish MAYHEM for your former country. That is unacceptable! Coup-mongering is a heinous crime. Do you know the total cost of irresponsible journalism? i.e. the publication of false information. I remember in 1989 when soldiers from Yundum barracks were mutineering for the none payment of their dues for serving under the Ecomog peace-keeping force in Liberia, from Lamin to Serrekunda markets there was pandemonium people running and leaving their wares. Children being collected from their schools. You know why? HIstory is the best teacher. These folks minds raced to events of 1981 when there was civil strife.
So Kay keep on yelling i have gone past that stage.
LES CHIENS ABOIENT, LE CARAVANE PASSE! |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2009 : 15:01:00
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Originally posted by Dalton1
Bro Madis,
Ever since I read this poem, it has been in my mind...I have learnt to add to the little I possessed , and finally bro coups are bad...blood! blood! blood! Let no one fool you.
This is a nice poem, and if you grant me permission, I would love to have it carried on GON as well.
thanks Mawdo
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Bro dalton1
You can certainly carry it GON.
Welcome at all times |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jul 2009 : 17:39:16
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| I accept that stirring up wars and bloody coups are unacceptable by any means, what I cannot get is the overbearing feeling most of us have about any discussion over how to rid the country of the tyrannous regime. We seem to agree that there is a need for a change but seemingly it is more of us wishing the problem away than seeing it gone for real. The problem is a real one and getting rid of it is not going be easy as it is evident that the incumbent regime is hell bent on staying put using all the weapons at its disposal to ensure this. It is not easy to get solutions to such problems and asking others to risk their lives to get the results too could be irresponsible if one does not take due care of what one says or how one goes about saying anything in those lines. The mere mention of a coup to unseat the regime sends jitters down the spine of some posters and make them come down on the ones suggesting such with tonnes of bricks and mortar to silence them,surely we all have family members in Gambia and love them all to bits . The problem though is that at times one finds oneself in a situation where you deem it better to die than continue living under those dire conditions.The difference though is whilst some of us are living abroad in considerable safety we get on to a pose of encouraging others on the ground to risk their lives.When Yahya was moving to stage his coup there were risks involved and apparently he made it with allegedly no blood shed, dare we hope that this is possible again.If we cannot have people brave enough to take such risks on our behalf we should simple just resign ourselves to a very long term of being under a rogue regime. I just cannot accept that we can regain our freedom on a silver plater , just think about this again we had independence without fighting for it, making us, in my opinion , not to feel jealous about keeping it safe and so we lost it to a rogue.What you get easy can be lost easily too and I want to opine that freedom is worth fighting for, just take a look at how others gained theirs .The other comparison to the scary reviews of 1981 is the carnage that we suffered at the hands of the regime , the records show that though they claimed to have had a bloodless coup , the aftermath was not exactly bloodless and this is significant. If that is true I wonder how safe our families are living under such a cloud of uncertainty as it were.Ask me not if I have suffered any pains in 1981 as I was well and truly alive and active too, the traumas of that incident are as real to me today as it was then , methinks that such things happen so that we learn lessons from them , but seemingly we Gambians are still in dreamland , hoping that we shall wake up and see our nightmares fade. They are for real and will stay waiting to be tackled by us as a nation of people as they cannot be wished away. |
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