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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 19:01:32
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What's new?
The G8 will be talking wasting paper and airmiles to come up with more promises to be broken.
My suggestion to the G8 Give the trees a break and stop polluting the atmosphere.
I would suggest to Africa embrace the land and use their sweat in the fields to feed themselves. Because waiting on the west to fill empty stomachs is like waiting on a tree to build a coffin to bury the dead. It just ain't going to happen.
Peace
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 20:52:01
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That is such a valid observation Sister Omega. When you look at the issue of dependence, there was no promise in the first place. Africans only assumed richer nations could be generous enough to pass on crumbs. Time is ripe enough that Africa takes responsibility. Even closer to the domestic front, those who depend on government handouts tend to stagnate as ready political pawns for manipulative politicians. Self reliance is surely the most viable and best fitting solution; and that is possible with some serious commitment.
In class society, the rich enjoy whatever wealth gaps. Rich and poor in developed nations still have a gap that need filling. Beyond all doubts, you are quite right that it takes the good hands of the poor to lift the persistent burden of poverty. You are right Sister Omega. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 22:05:40
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It is very naive to expect g8 not to protect their interests. Why not. Why would you help your competing nations? African must not worry about the things they can't control. They can't beg western nations to help them. They must demand it. Obviously, divided africa can't even demand mugabe to do anything.
Africa must be united in order to survive.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 22:35:33
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Karamba we are on the same page. I also agree with your comments. The problem is that the poor don't place value on what they do have. Land is a corner stone to economics if we palnt so must we reap. We need to be able to feed ourselves not constantly thrive to live above our means. From someone has land, shelter and clothing they have the basic in life. Now may of the poor actually own land and sheler. yes these might not be the Ritz but none the less it's there home. More emphasis on local farmers would be better placed on growing crops for local and national markets instead of cash crops. As for CO2 emissions we can reduce these by using the one thing Africa has been blessed with the sun. solar energy is the way forward. Africa's blessed.
It was brought to my attention recently that the Ethnic cleansing occurring in Darfur has to do with cern nations wanting to clear the Darfur region to capitalize on Solar energy and export it to the west.
Karamba we can travel inside Africa for hours and not see a single soul not so in the UK. That's how much land we have, and it was our skill of agriculture that attracted Westerners to our shores centuries ago, to take farmers to farm in the Americas. Basically often we forget what we have and solely focus on what we want and in order to bridge the gap. We need to make the effort by throwing away the Beggars cap.
Turk Africans don't need to depend on the West. If Africa is inhibited from trading with West with kilio metres of red tape. Then African can trade with more congenial Trading Partners after all isn't the West facing the Credit Crunch? Or are they conceal the fact they are broke?
Peace
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2008 : 23:52:42
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Sister you seem so anti west..yet I see you live in UK! 
If all Western companies and charities pulled out of Africa what do you think would happen?
You are SO negative about the west in Africa, and yet everywhere I go in Gambia I see people being helped by charities such as Action aid.
In Gambia who has provided clean drinking water from good wells?
Who has provided the food for nursery children? Who has provided the womens groups? etc etc etc..NONE of this has come from the Gambia government!  It is all from NGO's.
Sister O what do you think would happen if this was all pulled from Africa?! Do you think African governments would step in and fill the gaps? Naive.
I predict that more children would die from illness related to poor water. Children would die from malutrition. More women would die through child birth.
If Europe pulls out of Africa the vacum may be filled by China. But their record on human rights is not great.  |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 11:12:07
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You bring this charity stuff very often. But, I have to broke the news for you. While I really really respect those you do the work, volunteers, many sincere europeans, but that has very very little impact on africa. And especially when you compare it to the corporations/imperialist forces negative impact on africa, the charity work has very minimal effect. Companies does not have much positive impact. Most of them getting a lot more money that they deserve. In the capitalist world, the relation of western company and the underdevelop country, mostly time, companies got much more than they deserve. So, if companies pull out of africa, not much negative impact.
You bring china. Africans love chinese. African don't care about politics. I mean who cares about their human rights. They are doing business with africa without any monkey business.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 14:26:53
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Sister you seem so anti west..yet I see you live in UK!
gambiabev I was born in Britain. Choice never came into equation.
Being charitable is a virtue however it is western governments which cancel out what good charities registered in their country's do.
Africa needs trade and if the west is unable to fulfil conditions of free and fairtrade then African will trade elsewhere.
Most people prefer to work for a living than to receive handouts. Often with handouts there are plenty of strings attached if one gets tangled up in them they are more likely to strangle themselves.
So if China wants to trade freely and fairly with Africa then Africans would be foolish not to take up the opportunity.
After all hasn't Europe been taking full advantage of trade with China hence all the cheap clothing and furniture we in Europe been enjoying over the past decade. Why should Africa miss out.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 18:43:09
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Most people prefer to work for a living than to receive handouts.
Sister Omega
SO, Turk, before we even touch on the unfair trade barriers/pratices that are crippling cotton farmers in West Africa etc making people abandon their fields...
we may wish to mention the ''KIDNAPPING OF AFRICAN CHILDREN BY A FRENCH NGO'' in Tchad this year.
they are those helping but there are those using exploiting the NGO culture for their own good.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 07 Jul 2008 : 20:48:38
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there are many (religious) ngos which have 'hidden' agenda for christian missionary activities or secret operation for cia type of undercover war organizations.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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turk
USA
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Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 10:43:28
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Sister you seem so anti west..yet I see you live in UK!
Gambia bev. In order to love your country, sometimes you need to provide critism. patriotism is not blindly loving your country.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jul 2008 : 22:53:03
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The irony about Britain is its national gullibility. It is so easy for government to manipulate people through media control. Because most people here have been taught to only think inside of the box. The most influential of those boxes has been the television coupled with an island mentality.
However there are people in Britain who realize that we share an interdependent world and to solve many of the world's problems there needs to be changes. To alter the status quo of power greed and control is unsustainable and needs to be changed. At present it seems the force to be influence that's setting the pace to address the balance is Mother Nature herself. Who is forcing all of us rethink and change how we relate to each other and the planet we all inhabit for the Common Good.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 07:30:38
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Sister you are SO patronsing about your fellow Brits! Many of us do have a brain and think for ourselves, or do you think you are the only one capable of that?! 
Britain has many problems, but it is still a great place to live. Yorkshire is wonderful and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.
Holidays are great, but I love returning to Yorkshire too.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 09:52:03
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omega
I respectfully disagree. I found the british are the smartest nation (collectively) in the world. Many brits are very knowledgeable around the issues and many are really thinking outside of the box. They travel a lots. They read. They are very intellectual. But unfortunately, the people don't have power to change. Because, brits still monarchy and aristocracy/corporations too powerful. Look at iraq. I believe majority was against the war. Even many in labour party were against. Look what happened, tony and his boy friend supported by royal family and corporations was too powerfull.
I believe significant number of brits are very sincere about the third world, charity work, volunteerism but in politics 1+2<1. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jul 2008 : 13:48:48
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Most people believe what the media tells them to believe because they are bombarded with it all the time. It governs what people should eat, wear, think, act etc.
Of course there are people who think outside of the box.i.e protestors against the Iraq war etc. How many people question as Turk raised the point of the monarchy and how come England itself isn't free as it would like the world to believe? How come Civil liberties are being eroded everyday?
The media's distorted perception of the world still influences so many people those who have never traveled aboard let alone outside of their postcode.
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