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kayjatta
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 Posted - 21 May 2008 : 08:36:21
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Madiss, thanks for your effort. Salt water and fresh water mixes all the time, not only laterally where the river empties into the ocean/ sea but also vertically along the depth of the water. What you have described is a visual observation of the two different waters. You need to examine a little bit deeper to see exactly what really happens.
When fresh water and salt water like the ocean come together, usually at an estuary the waters mix to create what is called brakish water. The point where the two waters meet and mix is called the zone of dispersion or diffusion (I think).
Let me ask you two questions here?
1. If fresh water and salt water do not mix, how do you think rivers like The Gambia and the Amazon keep flowing into the ocean?
2. How did the Mediterranean (salt water) changed the Black sea from fresh water to salt water?
By all indications, fresh water and salt water mixes although the rate at which they mix is a slow process that a visual observation may not readily detect. Remember the actual difference between the two waters is the concentration of dissolved chemicals (mainly salt).Here is a simple illustration of how fresh water and sea water mix:
http://exergy.se/goran/cng/alten/proj/97/o/
Look at this old Babylonian writing below (courtesy of google), and see how some of these observations you are talking about have long existed in human history:
The best Near Eastern example of the conflict myth is the Babylonian creation myth known as Enuma Elish.
The Enuma Elish begins by describing the primordial state of the cosmos, before the birth of the gods, when there existed only the two primal forces: Apsu, the fresh water, and Tiamat, the salt water.
When skies above were not yet named
Nor earth below pronounced by name,
Apsu, the first one, their begetter
And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,
Had mixed their waters together,
But had not formed pastures, nor discovered reed-beds;
When yet no gods were manifest,
Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
Then gods were born within them
Now can we talk about the eliptical orbits that you said are also fixed?
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 10:29:24
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Tanks once again Kay.
The poem from the babylonian scripts you quoted here could have been written by anyone. Therefore it is an opinion. A single opinion.It is hard for me to belief that water bodies CAN BEGET gods. These scripts couldn't have stood the test of time, hence thier demise. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 11:12:29
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Yes you are right Madiss. I do no believe eiher that this poem accurately describes nature. However, its an observation that seem to underscore the point we are discussing here. That human history is a history of constant struggle to understand the environment (see the poem talks about the separation of the waters too).
The fact remains that a lot of what we observe at face value, if put to scientific scrutiny (a verification process) we will see that there is more to it than the eye can see.
I would like you to remember that many of the scriptures described the earth as flat, the earth as the center of the universe, the earth being just a few thousand years old, etc. When people like Galileo, Copernicus, Darwin, even Gregor Mendel the monk, and others pondered about these things they quickly discovered loop holes in many of these biblical stories.
Please understand that this is not an attempt to discredit any set of beliefs, but an illustration that perhaps we need to look at some of these things from a more critical perspective... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 12:58:04
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Kay be rest assured that i am not seeing antagonism in this discourse. You have a strong liking for the sciences, i too ihave some liking for the sciences. I am not into Pure or natural sciences professionally but science and technology aware.
With regards to the shape of the earth being flat according to some scriptures is entirely different from the Quran. I think if my memory serves me right, the Quran describes the earth as spherical. I will check it out.
Anyway it has been very interesting and i enjoyed every bit of it. Tanx once again. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 14:15:05
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Yes scientific advancement helps us to update and understand NATURE & natural forces conditioning nature.
Between two rivers (sweet fresh water & unsweet or salty), for e.g. The River Gambia that flows from its source towards river. Why can't water coming from GREAT OCEAN make all of River Gambia salty for thousands or millions of years now  Is the direction of flow of water coming from its source more powerful than waves of ocean
The only WONDER WE NEED IN THIS EXAMPLE IS MIGHT OF GOD!. Weathering and environmental destruction of nature are always on course but NATURE ALWAYS TRANSFORMS BETWEEN SOLID, LIQUID & AIR (GAS). Science has its jargons but religion also has its own! " Ashes to Ashes!" & BIG BANG EQUATES WITH "KUN FA YA KONE!" All that science reveals & explore ultimately refer back to original natural state. We came to this world and will surely die and live this world; as design by God. Who knows tomorrow and what would befell on us within couple of hours. Thats why we need our religions for more HOPE IN SURVIVAL as much as what science benefit us (MANKIND).
Scientific advancement can be dangerous to mankind; e.g atomic age, nuclear & here we are on hybrids (stem cells). Manipulations or corruption of nature & what God designs will ultimately brought us catastrophy. We are now in space but one day MAN would try to dare to alter whats in ORBIT in quest of science for MATERIAL WORLD!. See these links from Mail online:-
i) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-508828/Scientists-given-ahead-creating-cow-human-embryos-cures-Alzheimers-leukaemia.html
ii) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&searchPhrase=Stem+cells+Hybrids
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mansasulu
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 15:05:32
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I am really enjoying this exchange. It is civil, informative, and above all, insightful. Even the big bang theory that Kay mentioned in one of his postings was mentioned in the Quran.
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe. (Quran 21:30) |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 15:39:30
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Now lets move on revelations from ORIGINS OF TORAH & BIBLE? ANY ORIGINAL FIRST BIBLE & ORIGINAL FIRST TORAH TO STUDY MORE SCRIPTURES & MORE SCIENCE
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kayjatta
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 23:48:42
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Originally posted by kobo
Yes scientific advancement helps us to update and understand NATURE & natural forces conditioning nature.
Between two rivers (sweet fresh water & unsweet or salty), for e.g. The River Gambia that flows from its source towards river. Why can't water coming from GREAT OCEAN make all of River Gambia salty for thousands or millions of years now Is the direction of flow of water coming from its source more powerful than waves of ocean
Kobo, that questions not very intelligent. The flow of rivers including river Gambia is very much gravity controlled. The river Gambia starts from the highlands of Futa Jallon. You need to understand geomorphology (topography to be specific). Thanks. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 21 May 2008 : 23:53:25
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Kayjatta
You sound like Mr Camara of Gambia High Schhol. He likes the word topography |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 06:30:41
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 17:06:28
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Originally posted by kayjatta
That's my teacher Konds...
I am not suprised. He is a good geography teacher. Did you read "Human Geography" by Goh Che Leong? That was his Bible |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2008 : 18:09:40
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I visit Gambia High school every November when I go with the Beacon community college students.
The Geography department provide us with the students that go up country with us to act as translators in the villages. Without their support our visit would not be as successful.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 08:31:27
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Konds the texts we used with him were by Pritchard, and Reuben K. Udo.
Bev, we used to received geography students from the Univ. of Sussex, and hung out with them at the Fajara Hotel... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 14:08:04
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Kayjatta whatever simple logic is applied to understand WILL OF GOD = "KUNFA YA KONE!" = "LET IT BE!" as ORIGINALLY DESIGN & CONTROLLED BY LAWS OF NATURE, GRAVITY & ORBITER FORCES is discounted by SCIENCE & SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION.
It is WILL OF ALLAH (One & only one who knows tomorrow!)and WITNESSED by daily occurences & manipulations of our FAITH & DESTINY; weather of day; days & nights coming and going; LIFE & DEATH, REPRODUCTION, PHOTOSYNTHESIS, HYBERNATION inter aia beyond MANKIND POWER OF SCIENCE!
We need science for BREAKTHROUGHS, GOOD ETHICS & FURTHER INROADS IN WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE & DEVELOPMENT.
Please review a great debate from the sun.co.uk on; How stem cells could spell end of disease under http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/health/article1192574.ece |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 20:33:32
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Al-Aalim said. We knows every things between them. Ofcours when you are Creator of some thing then you most to know it from in and out of.
All that is knowing as a natural disaster or phenomenal has its course. Like what we knows about the colliding of the Continental Plates.
This and many more has being pointed in the Holy Quran.
But we will go through to the end but will never comes to the conclusions of one mind. that is the human nature. |
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