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akem0
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 23:29:52
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| Snuggels....your coincident story has being posted on www.gambiatouristsupport.com few years ago. I've being to gambia many times and took my camara around with me most of the time and did not encounter any problems from the authorities there. I have scissor in my suitcase and didnt encounter any problem at the airport. I've walked/travelled in and out of Gambia with female friends and didn't encounter any problem. I was stop in senegambia by a solider and when he quickly realised that i was a tourist he couldn't apologise enough for disturbing me. I believe Gambia is one of the safest country in the world. I've walk on my own at 1-3am from Senegambia to car wash and never seen anyone behaving dodgy behind or in front of me and back home here in the UK am scared to step out from my car to my front door during day or night time here. When i landed at Manchester airport uk, majority of the black people on that flight was thrown into a room to be search included myself. They search me from head to toe and comb through my suitase. They ran my suitcase through an xray machine and i was told that they found chases of cocaine in my suitcase. I have never seen cocane before, take drugs or hang around people that use drugs, So i found it very strange that they found chases of cocaine in my suitcase. I've ask to see the result and my request was denied, so basically i told them that i wont answer any more question or been further search unless my lawyer was present, and then i was told i could go home. I could complain but what's the point, this is life here. There excuse is that they are doing there job. You have been accused for been a Pornographer and you paid them a bribe so that bring me to the conclusion that you were infact a pornographer because if you were not, you wouldn't paid them a bribe. About your scissor, are you sure the scissor wasn't in your hand luggage instead of the suitcase? . Don't get me wrong, am not saying that things like the above don't happen in Gambia but for some strange reason i find your story abit dodgy. |
''If you must die,'' face the murderous cowardly pack/pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back! |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 23:58:19
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Each time I travel to Tendaba I have been stopped at police road blocks and asked for money. If I said no my driver would have been prosecuted for a minor offence. It is a fact of life. It is not made up.
Saying that, I still feel safe in Gambia cp with UK....Less alcohol and therefore men more in control of themselves. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 00:19:43
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Kijeras
The gambian constitution says that merely being born in the Gambia does not make you a citizen. One of your parents must be born in the Gambia or your grand parent. It is the same law in the United Kingdom. So the immigration officer was applying the law. I am however suprised because they hardly follow that. Atleast some one is being honest to the gambian constitution.
My personal opinion is you should be a citizen of the country you were born and should not be based on you father or mothers country of birth. It is a bad law but Gambain law is very well a replica of the British and commonwealth legal code. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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babygirl
United Kingdom
89 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 00:23:41
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Gambia isnt perfect. But in Spain and other tourist destinations you find tourists regularly raped, beat up, robbed, even murdered.
Gambia is a safe haven compared to most of Europe!
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kijeras
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 05:58:35
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My personal opinion is you should be a citizen of the country you were born and should not be based on you father or mothers country of birth. It is a bad law but Gambain law is very well a replica of the British and commonwealth legal code.
YOU KNOW I HAVE SAID IT THAT THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME BLINDED SO-CALL EDUCATED IN HERE WHO ARE BOUND TO COMPLICATE TRUTH EVEN AT IT`S PLAINESS, WITHOUT DOUBT IN THERE HEARTS.LETS FACE WHAT IS RIGHT AND PRACTICE TOWARDS CORRECTING IT-SAFE US FROM HELL.AM GLAD YOU`VE POINTED IT OUT CLEAR ( BAD LAW ).WE RULE OUR OWN COUNTRY,WE VOTED FOR OUR OWN CONSTITUTION EVEN THOUGH WE THE MOJORITY DON`T NEVER KNOW WHAT WE VOTE FOR.WE TRUSTED OUR GORVERNMENT TO HANDLE WHAT`S WRIGHT FOR US AND DELETE MANY OF THOSE THAT THE BRITISH LEFT US, BUT IN THE YEAR 2K6, WE STILL BLAME THE BRITISH FOR WHAT`S IN OUR CONSTITUTION.
SECONDLY, THE IMMIGRATION OFFICERS PULLED OUT THAT SO-CALL LAW FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THE MAN ( VICTIM )REFUSED TO BRIBE.THIS COINCIDES WITH JUST WHAT I WAS SAYING, IN THE GAMBIA IF YOU REFUSED TO BRIBE, THEY WILL ALWAYS BRING SOME THINGS OUT TO COMPLICATE THE ISSUE.HOW MANY GAMBIANS EVEN KNOW THAT BOTH YOU AND YOUR PARENTS( MOM OR DAD) HAS TO BE GAMBIAN BEFORE YOU QUALIFY TO BE ONE.AND AGAIN WHY BOTHER ISSUE BIRTH CERTIFICATES TO THOSE WHO WERE BORN IN THE GAMBIA WITH THERE BRANCH PARENTS/RELATIVES NOT,ESPECIALLY AT TIME OF BIRTH. I BET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT ISSUES BIRTH CERTIFICATES IN THE GAMBIA DO NOT EVEN KNOW THAT THERE`S ANY CONSTITUTION LIKE THAT IN THEIR OWN HOME THAT THEY ARE MINISTERING TO. WHY CONFUSE THE CHILD AT A LATER STAGE THAT YOU WERE A CITIZEN AT TIME OF BIRTH BUT NOW, NEEDLESS--YOU ARE CITIZEN OF NO WHERE.
YOU KNOW THE MAIN TOPIC HERE-IN IS CORRUPTION IN ANY HOW IT`S BASED ON AND I BLAME OUR LEADERS.WITHOUT BRIBERY HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OF SUCH YET THEY HOLD GAMBIAN PASSPORT, NOT EVEN TO MENTION THOSE THAT WERE NOT BORN IN THE GAMBIA ( FORGET ABOUT DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE SOONER OR LATER AFTER THE FILES MOVE FROM THE IMMIGRATION TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND BACK AND FORWARD, YOU`LL END IN WHAT YOU WANTED TO AVOID).SO MY BROTHER, BAD LAW YOU AGREED NO MATTER HOW, WE RULE SO THE BRITISH HAVE NO HANDS IN OUR CONSTITUTION ANYMORE.ATLEAST THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN VOTED ON TWICE ( WITH ALL MOST 95% IGNORANT OF IT`S CONTENTS), AND NEEDLESS TO SAY THE SO MUCH VERY MANY AMMENDMENDS AND YET SOME BODY LIKE YOU ( KONDORONG-SHORT GUY) HAVE THE GUTS TO BLAME BRITAIN.BY THAT LAW IT`S COUNTLESS TO MENTION HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE BORN IN THE GAMBIA WITHOUT CITIZENSHIP--THEY ARE PEOPLE OF NO WHERE ( HOMELESS, GAMBIA AS A SHELTER)
AGAIN LET`S SAY THE TRUTH TO FREE OUR PEOPLE.LETS FOR GET ABOUT EXCUSES AND FACE "DEGGA BI".ONE VOICE FOR WHAT`S WRIGHT, THE LEADERS CAN CHANGE THE SYSTEM TO A BETTER GAMBIA FOR ME AND YOU.GOD BLESS AMERICA AND AS HE DO , BLESS GAMBIA AND THE PEOPLE OF THE GAMBIA. SALAAM. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 19:10:06
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Kijera
Every child has a right to a certificate of birth which is not citizenship. The two are different. In the united states and ireland, a certificate of birth will proof citizenship because you automatically qualify once you are born in the United states. In ireland, you do not have to be born in the country to be a citizen. If you delivered on a vessel or aircraft registered in Ireland and bound for ireland, you can claim cititenship even though you were born 30,000 feet up in the air.
I am not blaming britain for it. What i said was that our legal code is based on the british and common wealth common law. UK has the same citizenship laws as gambia. All the kids born in the UK are not citizens unless one of thier parents is. Talk to fmilies in the UK and they will confirm it for you. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kijeras
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 13:57:34
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Every child has a right to a certificate of birth which is not citizenship. The two are different. (
DIFFERENT WORDS , THE FORMER GUARANTEED THE LATER, MAYBE SOME HUMAN SO-CALL LAWS UNFAIRLY EXPEL OTHERS RIGHTS.YOUR BIRTH PLACE IS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT AS A NATURAL MEMBER TO THAT NATION. A BIRTH CERTIFICATE BEING AN ULTIMATE FIRST STRONGEST PROVE FOR CITIZENSHIP.
In ireland, you do not have to be born in the country to be a citizen. If you delivered on a vessel or aircraft registered in Ireland and bound for ireland, you can claim cititenship even though you were born 30,000 feet up in the air.
MR KONDORONG, MY BROTHER BE REALISTIC-IT WILL SAFE YOU FROM TRYING HARD TO BE WISE. JUST LISTEN TO WHAT YOU SAID. NOW DON`T ANSWER TO ME BUT JUST TAKE A SECOND TO ANSWER YOUR SELF----I ASSUME YOU`RE A GAMBIAN.HOW DID YOU BASED YOUR CITIZENSHIP ON? I HOPE YOU DIDN`T GO THE LONG WAY OF IMMIGRATION NATURALIZATION PROCESS EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE BORN AND BEING ISSUED A GAMBIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE AT TIME OF BIRTH.YOU SEE MY BROTHER, IF YOU SHOULD GO TO THE IMMIGRATIONS (GAMBIA ) WITH A GAMBIAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO APPLY FOR A CITIZENSHIP, AM SERIOUS THEY WILL NOT TAKE BRIBE, THEY WILL DELIVER YOU TO THE N I A ( SUPER POLICE ) FOR FURTHER QUESTIONING TO AVOID FREAKY ACTS- UNLESS OTHERWISE BRING UP OUR SO-CALL BAD LAW ( YOU AGREED) FROM THE 1970 CONSTITUTION TO TEST YOUR FAITH. UNLIKE MY FRIEND WHO WAS REFUSED A PASSPORT,HE NEVER HAD DOUBT THAT HE IS / WAS A GAMBIAN ( UNTILL THAT DAY THAT HE WAS CONDEMNED A GAMBIANSHIP-THAT SOUNDS BETTER).FOR HIM HIS CASE WAS THAT HE APPLIED FOR A PASSPORT WITH HIS CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH AND I.D CARD AND THE OFFICER WANTED SOME ASIDE MONEY APART FROM THE NORMAL FEE TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS. HE REFUSED AND TO COMPLICATE THINGS FOR HIM, HE (OFFIER) NOTICED ON THE FORM WHERE THE PARENTS INFORMATIONS ARE ENTERED.THEN SUDDENLY HE MENTION WITH PRIDE; YOU`RE NOT EVEN A GAMBIAN HERE, AND FURTHER THE FORM UP THE LADDER ( THEY ARE ALL THE SAME ). SO HE WAS GETTING BACK AT HIM BECAUSE THE GUY REFUSED TO PAY EXTRA MONEY ( BRIBE, IN OPEN LANGUAGE ) AND WAS KIND OF LITTLE LOUD ON THEM FOR DELAYS.MY BROTHER, THERE IS NO STRONGER PROVE TO A CITIZENSHIP THAN A COUNTRY`S NATIONAL CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH.NOW THINGS THAT COMPLICATE THIS ISSUE ARE HUMAN BAD LAWS AS IT IS IN THE GAMBIA AND AS WELL,YOU SAID IT IS.AM SURE BRITAIN WILL NOT DEPORT/EXPEL (AS ILLEGAL ALIEN FROM THEIR COUTRY) ANY BODY UPON RECEIPT OF THEIR OWN NATION`S ISSUED CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH---IF YOU SAID THAT SAME LAW EXIST THERE TOO- THEY PROBABLY WILL SHELTER YOU ON BEHALF OF ANOTHER LAW THAT STATES THAT THERE ( WITH THEM) IS YOUR ORIGIN ( BELONG) BUT THROW YOU TO WHICH COUNTRY.. ?
AND LET`S BE FRANK, PLEASE DON`T, DON`T GO TO IRELAND BY THEIR INSTATE REGISTERED AIR CRAFT AND BASED ON THAT CLAIN TO BE A CITIZEN---IT`S A JOKE, DON`T TRY IT.
AGAIN STOP BRINGING OTHER NATIONS IN THIS, FOR ME MY CONCERN IS MOSTLY MOTHER GAMBIA, WE RULE OUR STATE AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE VANISH SOME SO-CALL LAWS THAT CONFUSE PEOPLE.THIS IS ABOUT SOME VISITORS BAD EXPERIENCE IN OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING OURSELVES ALMOST EVERY THEY.BY BEING ONE VOICE TO REJECT AND DISCRIMINATE CORRUPTION IN ANY FORM,HUMAN BRUTALITY BY OUR OWN SO-CALL PROTECTORS, DAILY PUBLIC RIGHT VIOLATIONS, AND MAINLY BAD LAWS, WE COULD SOFTEN OUR ENTRUSTED PEOPLE TO A BETTER CHANGE.LET`S REASON TOGETHER AND GET OTHER COUNTRIES OUT OF THIS TO MAKE OUR NO TALKING GAMBIA A SMILING HEAVEN.
BIRTH CERTIFICATE = NOT CITIZEN
BOARD A COUNTRY`S REGISTERED AIR PLANE = CLAIM A CITIZENSHIP
( Ireland must have some immigration problems )
LET`S MAKE SOME CLEAR NOTES HERE, SIMPLE TEXTS
BIRTH = TESTIFIES ONES ORIGIN
CERTIFICATE = A WRITTEN STATEMENT TO TESTIFY A FACT, A PROMISE TO A FUTURE
THE TWO TEGETHER = A WRITTEN FACT OF ONES ORIGIN, BELONGING TO, MEMBER OF, AND AGAIN TELLS WHO YOU ARE,....GAMBIAN,BRITISH,IRISH ETC...
NOW LET`S SEE CITIZEN
WEBSTER`S SAYS,WRITTEN IN ENGLISH
CITIZEN = MEMBER OF A NATION BY BIRTH ( FOR THOSE WHO WERE BORN THERE WITH THE NATION`S CERTIFICATE OF BABY DELIVER ) OR NATURALIZATION ( FOR THE ALIEN )
AM NOT TRYING TO INSULT YOU OR ANY BODY, BUT FOR OUR COMMON GOOD THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING.I KNOW YOU`RE A GREAT LEARNER BUT SOME TIMES YOU DON`T HAVE TO ENTER COLLEGE TO FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT.
MR KONDORONG IS NICE TALKING BUT LET`S DO FOR REAL AND STOP COMPLICATIONS--YOU`RE A NICE MAN AND I`VE ALWAYS ENJOY YOUR POSTINGS.I`VE BEEN FOLLOWING ON MANY FOR A WHILE.BE BLESSED AS AMERICA IS AND ALLAH BLESS THE GAMBIA TOO, AND WE THE PEOPLE OF THE GAMBIA.I DO NOT DOUBT THAT MAN MAKES LAWS OR WHETHER THERE ARE LAWS OR NOT.ALL AM SAING IS LET`S CHANT IN ONENESS SO AS TO ERADICATE UNFAIRNESS FOR SWEET MAMA G. SALAAM
SALAAM ABDOU KIJERA |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 14:06:02
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| please bro, capital letters are very difficult to read. Can you change it next time.Thanks |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 14:14:04
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| Bro, Kondorong is very right about britain.Being born in Britain does not automatically qualified you to be a citizen of Britain.They can kick you out with your birth certificate.Its very true. |
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kijeras
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 14:17:31
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. In ireland, you do not have to be born in the country to be a citizen. If you delivered on a vessel or aircraft registered in Ireland and bound for ireland, you can claim cititenship even though you were born 30,000 feet up in the air.
PARDON ME MY FRIEND FOR I MIS-READ YOUR QUOT IN HERE AS ABOVE.I JUST NOTICED IT-FORGIVE ME.......
BUT EVEN AS QUOTED, BEING BORN IN A PLANE OR VESSEL BOUND FOR ANY COUNTRY AS LONG AS THE PLANE OR VESSEL LEFT HIS ORIGIN (before you were born) AND IT`S NOT A STOP AT ANY OTHER COUNTRY AT THE EXACT TIME YOU WERE BORN , THEN SURELY IRELAND MADE A WISE LAW-- NO BODY (HUMAN)CAN BE A CITIZEN OF UP IN THE AIR OR IN THE SEA, WE ARE HUMAN. AT LEAST, A WISE LAW AND THIS IS THE KIND OF BRAINLY CALCULATIONS THAT I WANT US TO WHISPER INTO THE HEARTS OF OUR LAW MAKERS FOR SWEET MAMA G.AGAIN BE BLESSED. |
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kijeras
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 14:30:30
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SALIMINA, BE A WISE SISTER AND SHUT UP
IF YOU CAN NOT READ MY WRITINGS HOW CAN YOU MANAGE TO UNDERSTAND.
THERE IS NO LAW FOR SMALL LETTERS IN HERE.
AND AM TALKING ABOUT WHAT`S RIGHT AND CAN BE BASED ON AND YOU TELLING ME WHAT BRITAIN IS DOING
I THINK SOMETHING ELSE IS BOTHERING,FACE THE TRUTH IN YOU FOR MAMA G AND STOP PICKING ON ME JUST TO HAVE SOME THING TO SAY.BE BLESSED |
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salimina
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 14:50:55
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For a start am not a girl, am a guy like you. Am not saying is a law in the forum but am just suggesting to you.You are here to discuss or chat with your friends and fellow country men. so for that discussion to be smooth i think i got some right to tell you what we can all do to enjoy our conversation. Is up to you anyway.
Concerning about what i have mentioned in my previous posting,I can quote you `am sure britain will not deport/expel(as illigal alien from their country)any body upon receipt of their own certificate. I am very right because your that statement was totally out of context.They can kick you out with a british birth certificate. I think any sensible person will agree with what i have said.
I dont know why you people can be easyly irritated! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 18:43:35
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Kijera
Under Gambian law i am a Gambian because i was not only born there but also my parents , grandparents, great grandparents were born in the gambia. I have satisfied the law for citizenship.
I think you are jumping to conclusions too soon. I did not creat the law in the UK or the gambia. I am only telling you the facts period. If you wish to change the laws of the Gambia, there is a procedure. You can introduce legislation through your MP and it will be subjected to a vote. There are procedures to be followed. Gambian law is based on Brish common law and cases of such nature can be introduced as precedents in a court of law in the Gambia. I think this is still too complex but may be you need to talk to a lawyer or atleast Jayanfara who is a law student in the UK.
I need to tell you one thing. The reason why being born on an irish vessel makes you an irish is because, that Irish vessel is considered a territory of the Republic of Ireland. It might also interest you to know that children born of Diplomats in the United States are not accorded citizehsip although others do. One of the reasons is that a Diplomatic mission in a foreign country is considered a foreign territory and such Diplomats have immunity like searches and other arrests that ordinary people are not subjected to. The Gambian High Commission in London has all the priviledges of foreign mission. Therefore those Gambians who work there are seen as Gambians working in the gambia under international law. That is why one has to be stripped of diplomatic immunity (PERSONA NON GRATA) before they can be arrested. yaya did it to the British Deputy High Commissioner and gave him 24 hours to leave because he was always attending opposition meetings. The british government also responded in the same way. This is diplomatic reciprocity.May be you need to do a bit of research on International relations and some legal research to become au fait with the topic.
It is in the same principle that you can transit through an airport without visas because airside is considered international terriroty. You can do research on ICAO based in Montreal.
I understand your frustration, but law is a complex area and i told you that i personally think all those Born in the Gambia should be accorded citizenship.
Gambia is not an island and we should not attempt to be one. Gambia is treaty to many international obligations and as such we have to respect those laws. The reason why you can even use this Bantaba, make a telephone call to the gambia, mail a letter around the world, go on holidays etc is because of the United Nations which set up the international telecommunications office to regulate communication and the postal branch for mails and also through UNESCO for designating world heritage sites like James Island and Juffreh in the Gambia so that tourist can visit them.
Please do not shoot the messenger.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 19:30:36
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Originally posted by kijeras
IF YOU CAN NOT READ MY WRITINGS HOW CAN YOU MANAGE TO UNDERSTAND.
THERE IS NO LAW FOR SMALL LETTERS IN HERE.
Kijeras, I agree with Salimina. If you want us to read your postings, write small letters. It doesn't make your postings more interesting, nor does it make them more readable if you use capitals. I never read longer texts written in capitals. Capitals are ok for headlines or if you want to point out certain passages. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 19:53:36
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Kijera
This will help you about irish citizenship. I did the reasearch in 2002 when a friend of mine wanted to travel to Ireland and thank Goodness,it is still there. follow the highlight about aircraft and vessels. You can get citizenship even if your parents are not Irish.
Follow the link below for proof about Irish Citizenship.
http://oasis.gov.ie/moving_country/migration_and_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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