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toubab1020
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 Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 13:27:17
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Originally posted by kaanibaa
Toubab
Where did i go wrong in the domain of respecting my fellow human being . Halake insulted online writers calling them Damned liars and i reposted that he is cursed if you are taking his side am cool with that. my point is clear .............................As they say in french ce luis que n'est pas content ons sans fous.
I don't speak french so I don't know what you have written,my posting was mearly to highlight your attitude to those who you disagree with,no problem there,but when you write that you are going to put curse after curse on him daily,and then use a phrase like "mutual respect" for all Gambians that's where I have a problem.I can understand that you were very angry and perhaps what you wrote was in the heat of the moment,this was probably the case as you had picked up a piece from an online newspaper without sharing it on Bantaba so Bantaba readers were confused,I know I was!.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 16:13:28
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| I am sorry my bro if I have confused you and if you think I am angry I am not .Peace .i am a very happy man .any one can insult me and it is up to me to pay back or keep quiet that is my right to reply. In your case well I have said it sorry for the confusion. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 16:29:05
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No problem at all Bro.I am happy that you are happy and not angry,of course its your right to reply no one here will deny you that.
Peace and love. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 18:25:41
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Originally posted by Moe
Karamba the same could be said about Jawara simply because he had illeterates serving as ministers, when there was capable and educated elites amongst the population. It seems the Mandinka's did the same thing too. How do you explain that...................Peace
I dont want this to be about Jawara but by 1965, Gambia could hardly boast of a dozen university graduates.
In some areas like Kiang Dubutu area, there was no garduate at all. Infact, to fill in a position of an MP, they were "loaned" a candidate from another constituency because the literacy criteria in parliament. This is why BB Darboe was seen as a Saint for this area when he came home.
That "loaned" MP started the Kiang Airport project that never was inorde to win votes.
In the kingdom of the blind, one eye is the king. The few educated gambians never enetered politics. Infact the Foreign ministry could only hire three staff barely competetnt to run the ministry.
We came a long way from being improbable to being probable.
In 1965, you could not afford sending the technocrats as politicians. It was a question of where their services were needed most. This is how people like M.C Cham became a minister at a young age of around 24.
In the fist Cabinet, the few willing educated people like Paul Baldeh became educaton minister. The rest stayed away. Infact there just weren't many educated to start with. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 18:30:03
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Originally posted by toubab1020KONS where is LEEDS? and what is a "Council Flat" ?
LEEDS is in Yorkshire. A council Flat is a subsidised city dwelling |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 20:01:52
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I condemn all single glorification of any ethnic group. The DO editorial doesn't help. Given the fragile situation we now live its explosive to come ou t with such a piece. What all well meaning gambians, Africans should strive for is to piece together our torn ethnic fabric. The confrontation Sam piece was met with should be a the building blocks for a united Gambia of a diverse people.
However that said, i would like to remind my brother Karamba to temper his posting with some cool. You may disagree with Dida Halake, if all he is the one that authored that editorial. But one could address the issue and leave the individual's person intact.
I live in UK, i know many people who live in decent council flats better than some private flats atleast to the cities and towns i hve been to. Is it disgraceful to be arefugee? Not all. What is disgraceful to me is for people to lie about themselves in other to get asylum. People hae insulted Waa before, some of these people were able to get their asylum in the US and other places thanks to Waa. Dida according to the information i got lived a decent life here in the UK, until he retired. An accomplished man for that matter. He may be a fan of Jammeh, that's personal choice.
Lets exercise restraint and debate on issues.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 20:25:08
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Madiba
If you have good reason to back Halake, here is a piece tearing him apart. Be bold enough to counter this piece. I believe the editor of that site will be happy providing you sufficient space. If you fail to, then.....
Stay out of seeking to moderate others. You have plenty of business about whatever you so choose to post. Whatever else posted by others is none of yours. That is up to the poster. I for one don't need counseling. I am ready to take full responsibility for every dot of message post by myself here.
http://freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/2902/Daily-observers-Halake-politicising-literature-a-snake-from-Ethiopia/Default.aspx |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 20:37:14
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Madiba
Here is a source where the author with his name and photo has something more about Dida Halake. Again, be bold to challenge this author if you have good facts to stand the challenge. These are not my words. Go ahead.
http://allgambian.net/NewsDetails.aspx?id=287 |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 21:28:20
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Karamba you dnt need to shoot off the roof for merely reminding you to be more civic in ur deliberation. I am not moderating. If i were the moderator most of ur unfit thread wouldn't hve seen these pages.
For Haamadi Massinah on his piece on Freedomnewspaper, those of us who know the real person behind that pen name, know where the man is coming from. I need not reply him , becos i beleive DO has done that job very well.
Haamadi Massinah or watver he wisffully calls himself has no iota of shame remaining in his sorrowful body. His is that of regret, greed, sheer jealousy and bigotry. The issue is rather about you Karamba now. Trying to pull someone down not becos he author a mis-guided article , but you in ur bid to show sanity, careered off the path of decency. The fact remains there are many people in council flats, who are more decent than the fake asylum seekers. Lest you may think that am living in a council, i am renting on private property.Where does that leave the ever bitter Karamba, ur bitterness reminds of the neem tree.
Karamba get ur self a live , that's better than living an unhappy life of solitude and melancholy.
Good nite mate. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Feb 2008 : 23:37:53
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Madiba
Thank you for elevating Karamba to level of being an ISSUE. Can't you for one moment take it that the mention of Halake living in a council flat is not my make. Someone wrote that with full name and photo exhibited. Go ahead and respond to that person and not small me who only conveyed the message on Bantaba. If you also have bones to pick with Freedom Newspaper, you are addressing the wrong person for the right occasion. Go ahead and challenge them. Take it that you don't agree with what comes on their pages, I have seen thousands of readers leaving their mark on those pages. The best way to outdo an opposing force is to do better. For now, all is up to you.
From your last posting, it flowed out that you had some chemical brewing deep in the belly. Sorry if you feel so offended by my postings to the extent you prefer my postings sanctioned if you were the moderator. Fortunately, you are not.
On my part not a word from you or anyone for that matter will ever crush my skull as mine does you and yours. I am here to stay and will always stay within bounds.
One day in life, when the big light falls on all the shadows, everyone will stand by your own flesh and bone.
If you have issue with those Gambian websites, and those behind them, you have the greater opportunity of producing for Gambians anything better. I cannot speak or write for them. From the exchange of views I believe everyone is free to make their position known. If you know anything bogus about those you disagree with, be bold. Face them or write to them. You can never, never, never engage my person. hold it.
Good occasion to laugh, ha, ha!! |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 15 Feb 2008 : 17:38:18
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| interesting discussion. madiba ,i think it is high time we stop bringing debaters person into topics. slaming karamba will not end the discussion. karamba ,as can see only brought what others are aluding to. if it is personal attack that will scare off debaters here ,then many would have vanished but that is not the case. karamba stay tune and focus. if halake , a NON-gambian starts a debate,we have to take part in it. who knows his motives for starting such a debate? thanks kodorong for giving an interesting side to the topic. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Feb 2008 : 18:48:27
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Santa, pls read my posting once again to better understand my point.
I acknowledged the fact that DO's piece whether written by Dida or Ebrima Jaw Manneh does not help in any way given the volatile nature of our times. I called on well meaning Gambians and Africans to put anything naferious abt ethnicity aside. I also welcomed the wide condemnation Sam sarr's (a Gambian) piece received.
I however abhor calomny. Wether Dida was a cleaner or security guard here is immaterial. Many Gambians not only Africans have and are still doing drudgery jobs albeit holding decent academic qualifications. I like many immigrants do jobs miles apart from my vocation. Does this mean that i can't say speak my mind?
Sorry Santa you lost dis one. If you think am the only one discussing persons or to parapharse you, slamming, then i advice you to have a re-look. You are not far away from the most qualified in terms of character assasins.
Anyway i will never stop reminding those that err. Its a divine duty. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Feb 2008 : 19:57:14
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To be fair enough, all we each have to do is nothing less than keeping to our narrow sides and let the wider avenues widely open. Each person is entitled to a choice. You cast your net, let others cast theirs.
I have recognised in this Madiba fellow a type of hunter who is bent on beating traces when the real animal has long gone pass. Santafara, you and I are certainly not the authors all that was posted on Dida Halake. But those who did so are no lesser Gambians. They have a right of choice. They have chosen to write whatever they did. Daily Observer is keeping busy selling the image of a monster they call what they choose to call. Let them do so and let others who disagree say or write what they feel wrong about.
My take is that a criminal state of affairs is consuming our nation. Until the criminals tame down, they deserve being challenged. I am doing nothing less. Who can tell us that a coup is civilised and proper? We are not going to bury this brutal monster of things prevailing in Gambia. We have to challenge it because it is wrong and not because the wrong person(s) are(is) doing it. There is a thin divide to be seen by those with good eyes.
Let the Daily Observer continue promoting their monster. I will never ask them to stop doing that. On my part, I will challenge every wrong that comes to my attention no matter who is doing it. THE REAL ISSUE IS ALL ABOUT WRONGS. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 16 Feb 2008 : 17:53:09
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MADIBA, dida halake ,commence a debate on our country's history. i have no problem with him starting such a debate. but when he open the floor ,then gambians must express their knowledge of the topic. it is never a bad time to discuss history. if dida wants an intellectual discussion, africans or gambians shouldn't be afraid to discuss issues of tribe,settlements etc. this is what universities are teaching every day. i don't see any wrong in dida starting the debate.
the matter became an issue when his assertions are found to be incorrect or one sided. that also is open to intellectual debate. i for one don't care whether the jolas or manjakos are the early settlers of foni ,or what became the gambia, today no one can claim ownership of that tiny strip call the gambia. but students of history would want the toipc to be discussed with facts and evidence.
the point i reminded you of debaters character is when you try to bring karamba's person into the deabte. the gambia is greater than karamba or santanfara .let us address the isues at hand and forget about each others background or wellbeing. that will bring distraction and unncessary heated exchanges. history is not the most straight forward topic to discuss. HIS STORY. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Feb 2008 : 22:02:07
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Santanfara
Matter of fact, it is up to anyone insisting on dragging personal matters on platforms like this. An example is when Samsudeen Sarr brought in the story of his parents and his children in the matter of Gambian ethnicity. He was quite generous in doing that. All was up to him. There are others who will not permit even the tip of their hair slot in a public discussion. To try dragging in people's person is a futile venture. Only the person concern is at liberty to do that like Sam did. Living in a caravan, council flat or private is little concern to Gambians in rheir little huts gathering crumbs for daily survival.
For anyone's person to become part of a national issue, they must be attached to our shared resources in bigger ways. That is why/how public office bearers are trapped in the ring for public scrutiny. There is a proper divided between PRIVATE and PUBLIC. Those people in public positions have all eyes on them until the last day they step or are kicked out.
Thank you Santanfara for that lead. Be assured that I will not yield to dragging my person on public platform. That is for people with public food locked up in their jaws. |
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