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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
 Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 00:12:00
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| Would then not worry if we discuss you on THIS BANTABA,your very old friend Bantaba?And would you not fail if you are as soft as Jawara or as hard as Jammeh?What would you be not to be any of the two? |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 00:17:49
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Kondorong,
i am convinced and i see your argument. but my point was it should be related to the level of development. you will agree with me that poor people always pay more and are more vulnerable?
lets take for example the need for rural electrification. No private company would draw high tension cables to a village in e.g Fulladou so that a poor farmer and his family can have electricty, so that his children can do their homework at night? this will never happen because it wouldnt make money and initially it would not even be feasiblity in the first place because the farmer will appear in any study as 'not a potential customer' . However a government would electrify a village because it sees it as its obligation (whether political or not)and understands the social benefits even if it doesnt make money?
there is nothing stopping any private company operating a power plant in the gambia for example? no law prohibits this
there is nothing stopping any private company operating a telecoms company/provide telephone services in the gambia for example. no law prohibits this.
try and sell or 'privatise' Gamtel or NAWEC, you will not believe the list of 'buyer/investors' or whatever you call them.
when they sold SENELEC in Senegal, the first thing the private sector did was to increase electrcity prices! the government had to buy back every single share to prevent social unrest.
infact there has been a lot of privatisation already all over Africa but has it delivered? privatisation is market driven and market solutions cannot work where 90% of the population are outside the market.we are still too young for it! |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 00:34:58
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Thanks Njucks,
I was afraid if I tell him too much truth now,he will not make me a minister...(laughs).
So your excellency its not me nut Njuks's words.So don't privatise all the little we have. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 00:46:57
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Jayangfara, No hard feelings. This was aproblem during Jawara and junkung. My cabinet will not sugar-coat problems. It will be telling as they are.
No am not a fan of total privatisation but improved private sector. You see the reason why a private company would not go to the rural village and elctrify is beacuse they do not have the means to pay their bills, because they do not have a job that can enable them to do that.
By creating an incentive, this is possible. It has to be a win win stuation. We have our own bank accounts which we do not want anyone to mess with. Government depends on taxes and if we have to tax people all the time to electrify the village, we are only pushing them further down to apoint that our tax base will be eroded and eventuallly government goes bankrupt which is possible.
By creating wealth, we can afford some obligations. Companies like Gamtel and Ports should not be privatised but there is nothing wrong is selling atleast 20 to 30 percent of the shares to infuse private finance and improve accountbility. The existing structures where boards of Directors are appointed to manage them will be improved upon and they will have some autonomy form the politicians to generate needed wealth for the common good.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Sankofa
58 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 01:24:40
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| I think there is a law protecting Gamtel and Nawec so a private company cannot come in. They have been given a monopoly status. |
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ylowe
USA
217 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 02:52:12
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| I dont think the telecoms monopoly still exist or may be am wrong. Kondorong you said it all incentives. Reminding you about the two words i talked about " incentives matters". If there is no incentive to electrify the rural areas there will be no electricity or may be government can take over the cost. Creating jobs in those areas will help. |
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Sankofa
58 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 03:05:36
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Rural electrification will be 24 hours by July this Year. Our abled yankuba has said so and it must be true. Yaya will develop gambia but no dtractors other wise we will deal with them without mercy.
Long live AFPRC. We are soldiers with a difference |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 09:52:34
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| Thanks kondorong, i really like you people. But how can you manage a country in which almost every body is corrupt from the driver to secretary general? In addition almost 50 percent of the able bodied men(people) are unproductive. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 14:43:03
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Kondorong, good luck, some of your ideas are really excellent. If you are going to be President, I hereby apply for a job as your advisor  . On condition that you never expect me to say only what you would like to hear...  .
But I am not a Neoliberal, and this may diminish my chances. From Germany I know only too well that privatisation of public enterprises, one of the keynotes of Neoliberalism, seldom work. You can test it: Just mention ’Deutsche Bahn AG’, ’Telekom’ or ’Deutsche Post’ among Germans, and I promise you a tornado of rage.
Sankofa, if you are really a ’soldier with a difference’, then you should stop to threaten people, because this is what ’soldiers with no difference’ do. Merciless acting without thinking gave soldiers the image to be just brutal ninnies, though this is not what I think. I found the most intelligent critics of mere brutality, the most profound analysts of conflicts among (German and Austrian) officers. Make people respect you, and it is not necessary to threaten them. And keep in mind that respect and fear are not the same.
Janyanfara, I agree that Jammeh could learn (he is not an old geezer!). Maybe he needs the chance to do it without losing his face. When I mentioned the comparison between Jawara and Jammeh, I didn't coat my own thoughts, I just told what I heard in Gambia. Sometimes I may take radical views, but not on things I don't know thoroughly (this is a very 'German' attitude). |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 15:59:53
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corruption will alway rife if people are not sustained by their disposable income. In the Gambia, there is need to reform the salaries structure particularly within government institutions. This should be preceeded with a complete overhaule of our economic management infrastructure.
There is a vast amount of financial waste perpetrated in almost all government organs. If this waste could be eleminated then this savings could be used to revise vicil servants' salaries upwards to match current cost of living. Then this should be followed by very efficient and effective financial contronls and management with a vibrant internal control organs to oversee the effective implementation of these systems.
There should be penalties for malpractices with an independent judicial system to enforce the law.
The culture of honesty should be preached and practised from the homes to the offices and must be rewarded. Corruption cannot be completely eleminated but could definitely be reduced significant given the right leaders in the fore front. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 16:52:26
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Hi guys,
Salimina, you are killing with laughter,Its not from the driver to the secretary general. My Gdo then we would all be doomed. God forbids.Maybe there are genuine ones amongst them ofcause.Lets try open the bag and see,not just to throw the whole bag away.Even Jammeh may have his good sides.
I still think First Lady Madam Zainab Y.Jammeh could do us all good by trying to make her husband the best tolerant,open and willing to learn president who is willing to accept criticism where it is due.With her lovely advise to her hus., all Gambian can benefit.Am sure where the ministers,party influential members,scared advisers failed,she could succeed as the darling heart.
Serenata,I know you may not know the country well but you are really a star who care about us as ourselves.Thats why I wanted to remind you.... Jammeh is quite very different from Jawara.Am not defending Jawara but there is a Mandinksa saying.."NING KARAN KOSI LA YE BUNTUNGO FANDI, A NYANTA AFOO LA KUNKU TIYOO YE LE JARAMA".(which means if a nut sercher(who does no farming) goes to a farm and was able to fill a store with nuts, then He/She should thank the real farmer who left so much nuts behind).Jawara was so human and tolerant that people thought He was weak,letting all got away with corruption.Normally He would ask you to resign with dignity which ofcause I don't support as it was state funs they take and should be made to pay for it or return what they took.But frankly their difference is so due that Jawara's critics should know that the Man was trying to be a democrat but..."NIN KOOBA MANG TABIROO SOTO,BUU KEWO MANJANG NAKELAJE"(If the kitchen has no cooking,a **** should not be put in it).
Let all Gambians be frank with this question...Jammeh and Jawara who is more corrupt than the other?Thirty years and twelve years of their respective rule.If we have our answer then the one who betrayed the people morewould be known.
Sankofa,for electrification,maybe Yanks is thinking of solar energy.Thats the only way for Africa with her planty heat from God.If otherwise,well not even you could do it am sure.So don't ever expect me in yor govt. if you will be promising nationwide electrification because we will lie to the people if we say such.I only believe that if any government want total electricity sucess,you either have to rely on a dam or solar for we cannot affort the petrol cost.Imagine a government that cannot even buy the farmers' nuts would be able to electrify the whole country?This is the joke of the century.We should try and put in ideas to the people that would be helpful.
You are really soldiers with a difference no doubt about that.Worldwide you are the only soldiers that brutalise the civilians butcher them,tuture and sometimes..... you know whatI mean.
YOU ARE SOLDIERS WITH A DIFFERENCE.WE ALL KNOW THIS NO NEED YOU REMIND US.
Mankajang Janyanfara |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 17:00:25
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JANJANFARA,when i mean from the driver to the secretary general am not saying every body. But the vast majority of the civil servants are just scramblers( for the little left from the previous government) and at the same time victims as well.
You are back again and i like you people a lot. Thanks |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 17:09:24
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Ya salimina,
I travelled across Africa and had a lovely trip but I shall be back in the UK on thursday.
The old regime would always be in any government that comes because everybody was in the old regime even Jammeh. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 17:22:42
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| Janyanfara, i been following you people for quite a long time then i felt it right to engage with you as well. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 18:13:46
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Janyanfara,
is very hard to counsel an adict. Yaha is an adict squandering our money.Follow this, yaya spend about D24 million to finance the Hajj package last season and the entire budget of the department of youths sports and culture and that of the department of works and communication are D23 million.Do you think this man is alright? He is richer than state institutions. Madness! |
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