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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  22:23:05  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
Karamba, dont you agree that if we give people the power to legislate someone will always try to craft things the way it favors them. This is what I think is the problem with democracy. You are right in pointing out the fallibility of human systems.Humans will continue to abuse power if they have a hand in making the laws.

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  22:55:08  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message

Mansa,

It takes considerable personal discipline to KEEP TRACK. Even at the extreme micro levels, systematic dispensation of duties can be impeded. You will find it consoling that one great source of graceful satisfaction for true practicing Muslims is Regular cleansing and regular prayers. The ability to concentrate in total submission before the Almighty Allah is a special experience not just for everyone who calls it prayers. A deep feeling of gratification is good stabilizer against the temptation of corrupt practice.

While this is not a matter of religious exchange, the point being driven home is that HUMANS HAVE DEFECTS all around. Those who stand to challenge and to defeat the wild temptation are the better of humans. Adolph Hitler thought that every person holds a KILLER INSTINCT. He argued that all other humans indulge in suppressing the wild instinct to kill. For him, he proved the TRUE HUMAN SENTIMENT by his drive to kill as many people as he could. Who is perfect enough, anyway!!

Karamba
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 06 Nov 2007 :  23:10:00  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
karamba

Perhaps, the alternative is for gambia to have a fair dictatorship i.e. Castro?

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 06 Nov 2007 23:19:24
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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 07 Nov 2007 :  10:05:32  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
Where is democracy ,what is it. do you believe that it exist,
which country excises it currently . most importantly, Is the modern democracy good for us


http://www.charleslindbergh.com/pdf/dec121941.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/vote_2005/frontpage/4456269.stm
http://bostonreview.net/BR30.1/abrahamian.html
http://bostonreview.net/ndf.html
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 09 Nov 2007 :  21:43:41  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
Gathered from reliable sources that: Out of Pakistan polpulation is approximately 160 million only 702 members have VOTING RIGHTS TO ELECT THE PRESIDENT; of these legislative bodies:-

i) The National Assembly
ii) The Senate
iii) Four Provincial Authorities

The Presidential elections is not nationwide but conducted through THE POLITICIANS. The public vote those politicians in those bodies and they (i.e 702 memmbers) are granted voting rights in electing The President. Thats how the Pakistan Presidential elections was recently conducted for Musharaf.

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mansasulu



997 Posts

Posted - 09 Nov 2007 :  22:02:01  Show Profile Send mansasulu a Private Message
The same mechanism is used in the United States. An electoral college instead of the people elects the President...

"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)

...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah...
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 10 Nov 2007 :  02:01:59  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
That is one of the reason america could not be considered as ideal democracy. Also, legislation process is controlled by lobbies and corporations.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 17 Nov 2007 :  01:43:58  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
Latest BBC News Musharaff and Pakistan crises under http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7099372.stm

"Have I done anything constitutionally illegal? Yes, I did it on 3 November," he said, referring to his imposition of emergency rule. "But did I do it before? Not once."
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 28 Nov 2007 :  15:01:53  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
CNN reports Musharraf steps down as army chief under http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/11/28/pakistan.musharraf/index.html
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Karamba



United Kingdom
3820 Posts

Posted - 18 Apr 2008 :  22:20:44  Show Profile Send Karamba a Private Message


http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/3143/SUBVERSIVE-NUDGE-results-GAF-or-Gambia-Armed-Forces-Act-of--2008--The-Kanilai-Bluff/Default.aspx

Karamba
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kayjatta



2978 Posts

Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  11:48:31  Show Profile Send kayjatta a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by turk

That is one of the reason america could not be considered as ideal democracy. Also, legislation process is controlled by lobbies and corporations.



Here is some information that might enlighten you. Thank you.


http://www.johnwcooper.com/papers/electoralcollege.htm
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  21:12:19  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
TYPICALLY! Both Zimbawe & Kenya elections (crises) are ENOUGH TESTIMONIES ON THE REALITIES WITH AFRICAN DEMOCRACIES, DICTATORS, AUTHORITARIAN RULE, AFRICAN POLITICS & AFRICAN LEADERS.

Follow selected news from BBC & CNN websites under:-
i) Mugabe's actions 'unforgivable' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7353592.stm

ii) Mugabe: "One person one vote" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7354360.stm

iii) MDC urges intervention in 'war' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7357369.stm

iv)Mass arrests claim by Zimbabwe opposition http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/04/20/zimbabwe.wrap/index.html

Edited by - kobo on 20 Apr 2008 21:15:56
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