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snuggels
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 16:31:17
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Interesting programme on U.K television tonight CHANNEL4 DISPATCHES it is pick of the day for viewing and the write up reads:
Despite the billions of aid to provided by the west. Africa has a one way ticket to oblivion, claims journalist Sorious Samura in this thought provoking film. Its not war, famine, drought or disease that is guzzling the aid and preventing development, but corruption. While their people live in poverty, corrupt governments and officials are draining their countries dry. As Samura reveals all too clearly.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:07:09
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| Indeed Africa's vicious cycle-corruption and dependency. Africa definitely needs to be more accountable and self-reliant. We have depended too much on others for too long, whether as a whole extended family depending on one individual bread winner or a nation depending on another nation for everything ranging from military aid to food aid. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:35:55
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I watched the film last night. But any surprises no? I have visited Kenya many times in the past. I know it is ranked very high in terms of corruption to probably the level of Nigeria. Snuggel your assertion of billions of aid from the west being guzzled by corrupotion, and that ,that western aid to have developed Africa is further from the truth. Even with no large scale corruption in Africa, the key to Africa's development is with Africans themselves and not handouts from the west. Africa should re-discover herself.
Sorious Samurai could have done better by not going only to the shanty-towns to film the documentary, he should have visited towns other than Nairobi slums of Kidira, he could have also visited Mombassa, Kisumu,Eldoret ect to give balanced report. Where dnt one find slums around major cities in the world the third? Are those slums there becos of African corruption? Frm Cairo to Jo'burg, Rabat to Dakar there are slums everywhere. But the samurai's western patrons are not interested in decent , development oriented projects coming out of africa. This is not to deny the fact that there is corruption. But why film it in slums? The South Africa, Moroccan, Tunisian, Muritius and until recently the Ivory Coast ecomonies were doing better than many western countries.
Africa should rise up and shine. She has suffered enough. Hand-outs will not do it. The West WILL NEVER DEVELOP AFRICA. What has happened to NEPAD? Elite African Heads of state need to wake up from their neo-colonial slumber. The flag-bearer president Wade of Senegal recently surrender to accept defeat that NEPAD was a total failure. Africa's self discovery spells mis-fortune for the west and they know it. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:53:24
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Madiss , it appears that you are in denial . Africa's poverty, corruption , dependency, mismanagement,...is something no one can hide or defend...
I do not think Snuggels made any claims here. All she did was quote the author of the film. So please, lets not leave the ball and kill the girl... |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 10:00:25
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| Kay am not in denial. Read what i said and try to undertand it without any cloud of prejudice. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 10:47:02
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| I have read and understood you without a drop of prejudice. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 11:07:57
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I have read and understood you without a drop of prejudice.
Thank you. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 11:08:30
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A man has to do what he has to do to fend for his family.
If a man, who goes to work everyday of the month and his salary is not enough to feed and care for his family takes a bribe from a taxi driver violating traffic rules, is that corruption?
Africa’s development, both economically and politically depends on how excellent she can define her problems and the only tool that can do that is her languages. Until then her moral standards would be judged by a language and culture that cannot define her problems nor intend to solve them
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 11:24:42
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Corruption and bribery are wrong! If you do not make enough income, go back to school or do something that pays more...
The issue of African languages has been thoroughly discussed by Kenya's Ngugi Wa Thiongo and Nigeria's Chenua Achebe, two African literary giants.Janko, you can refer to their discourse for yourself. I happened to belong to Achebe's school of thought; but even Wa Thiongo has relented, I believe... |
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tintinto
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 12:55:13
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| Why do so many of them poor people have lots of children, when they have not got a P.. to P... into? "Here's the World children, sorry we got nothing to feed you with" !!! |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 14:58:18
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Janko, you can refer to their discourse for yourself. I happened to belong to Achebe's school of thought; but even Wa Thiongo has relented, I believe...
So if you belong to Achebe´s, thats the end of discuss...........are you intouch with the reality of Africa or you are just............
Stop killing the discuss if you have nothing to say, just.......please |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 15:03:29
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| i am really interested to see this documentary |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 15:17:53
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This is a very big subject with lots of if's and but's it can run forever,I suggest that those who post to this topic strictly discuss "corruption" which is what the documentary was about and not go off at a tangent.I think corruption is inbuilt in all cultures,Africa it is open in western countries it is closed,by that I mean not obvious,everywhere if you want something done quickly you pay a bribe,quite simple.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 16:43:28
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Originally posted by toubab1020
This is a very big subject with lots of if's and but's it can run forever,I suggest that those who post to this topic strictly discuss "corruption" which is what the documentary was about and not go off at a tangent.I think corruption is inbuilt in all cultures,Africa it is open in western countries it is closed,by that I mean not obvious,everywhere if you want something done quickly you pay a bribe,quite simple.
Toubab thanks for that open-minded posting. Corruption takes the face of its immediate environment. What's corruption in one country may necessarily not mean corruption in another.
The Kenyans are in the fore front of corruption yes. What is the 'mighty' west doing if its is so caring? I maybe wrong but just a weeks ago there was a debate here (UK) whether goods/produce coming from Kenya mainly tea and flowers should be limited in the fight against green house gas emissions? Some pressure group i think an environmment friendly group, complained about emissions by flights from Kenya. Those produces are one of the most important cash crops of Kenya, yet here are people who want to further aggravate the suffering of a people? Isnt it ironical?
Africa doesn't need self-pitying. Africans got to get their act right and now. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 16:47:39
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Corruption and bribery are wrong! If you do not make enough income, go back to school or do something that pays more...
The issue of African languages has been thoroughly discussed by Kenya's Ngugi Wa Thiongo and Nigeria's Chenua Achebe, two African literary giants.Janko, you can refer to their discourse for yourself. I happened to belong to Achebe's school of thought; but even Wa Thiongo has relented, I believe...
Kay infact in one of ngugi's books PETALS OF BLOOD, he dealt with corruption instituted by the colonial master Britain and then extended by the new Kenyan leaders after political indpendence. So if you belong to Achebe's school , that won't surprise me. This is because i have read some Chinua stuff but can't remember now his take on corruption. |
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