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trouble1317
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
 Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 22:48:55
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I overheard a toubab on the beach in gambia saying..
"A gambian getting a toubab is the same as a council estate girl, getting a man utd player..."
that looks, personality age accounts for nothing..
What are your views on this.....
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dave
Ireland
89 Posts |
Posted - 18 Mar 2006 : 22:53:26
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| It smacks of ignorance to me. What nationality was the Toubab do you know? |
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trouble1317
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 00:18:13
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| Welsh....been living in gambia 8 years.. |
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Gambian
Gambia
7 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 06:41:28
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| If i may say their are some young Gambian men who regards toubab women as their only exit out of poverty. Their are also some toubabs women who cannot find a man in their countries but have to go to poor countries like the Gambia to find their man utd player. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 08:56:43
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| I think black Africa should have a discriminating attitude towards westerners. Those that run to Africa for their morbid sexual desires should be purged out. |
Bamba |
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akem0
United Kingdom
25 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 09:38:45
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| I believe few years from now the toubabs will take over Gambia and will becomes the old south africa. Some british toubabs move to Gambia but they all live side-by-side with other british residences and paying there workers little and nothing to do there domestic works. I have seen the way the toubab behave in the Gambia like they own the place. I can remember one night i was setting next to a table that a toubab(british) and Gambian guy was sharing and i overheard the toubab saying to the guy ''I know if I wasn't here you wouldn't have such a big meal tonight''. Few nights after that i was standing outside my hotel around the senegambia area and this British toubab(male)approach me shoke my hand and as he letting go off my hand i could feel his thomb poking in my hand middle(sign that he want to have gay sex with me). I was shock with disbelieve. I know if he was in the UK he wouldnt go around doing that but to him gambia is a poor country and with his money he can do anything and have anyone in his bed (so sick). Well after 15 more minutes standing at the same spot, i saw him taking a young guy in his hotel room. Personally i dont think that a single toubab (male are female) is going to the country to enjoy the sand, sun,sea,culture, friends etc..., i believe that they are going to Gambia for sex. Some of these toubab are British rejects and they go to The Gambia with there money and gaggits gift for exchange for sex. Soon and very soon HIV/AIDS will be on the high increase there. |
''If you must die,'' face the murderous cowardly pack/pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back! |
Edited by - akem0 on 19 Mar 2006 14:16:16 |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 10:52:01
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Originally posted by Gambian
If i may say their are some young Gambian men who regards toubab women as their only exit out of poverty. Their are also some toubabs women who cannot find a man in their countries but have to go to poor countries like the Gambia to find their man utd player.
True. I agree. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 12:49:14
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Thank you for your honesty Akem0
I was truely shocked when I realised what is going on in Gambia.I feel ashamed sometimes, seeing this arrogance and superiority.
My hubby pretty much told me the same as you, but I could not believe it until I saw it myself.
But another puzzling thing on my mind:
I very rarely go to the tourist areas.If I do, as soon as I get out on my own, I get hazzle from men starting to talk to me.I don't look up, don't look at anybody, just going my way.Why does every man there automatically assume he can try me?And again, I don't give anybody the go-ahead-look, I'd rather look stressed, but they still have to try.
I find it disrespectful sometimes, because not every toubab is a sex or moneyobject.I sometimes wish the Gambia could be different, because as a toubab, you automatically have a stamp on your forehead saying come and try my, I'm white.What p....es me off the most is the fact that they assume I am a bad girl, just because I am white.
What would any other muslim woman think, if a man comes out of nowhere and tries to chat her up?I find it very disrespectful! So I stay far far away from it.
But then again, we have to take the blame aswell, because we must have brought this mentality to Gambia, if we didn't accept such kind of behaviour, they would not dare trying.
My honest opinion....I don't support tourism there, eventhough it is a big economic part, but it destroys many things.
And it must have some truth that many women simply go there to find sex.I can't believe or understand that, but it must be true, because I hear it everywhere.
Bamba, I feel that they already have a (little)discriminating attitude.Which is a good thing.Because we do come and destroy so much.But it is not enough.
The blame goes both ways.If Gambians wouldn't accept such nonsense, no one would bother trying because they would not succeed.But we have the superiority and totally abuse it wherever possible |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 13:32:59
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Akem0, i admire your honesty and for touching such a disgraceful topic. i'm sure this topic has been discussed several times on the Bantaba but the fact that it resurfaces shows the seriousness of the problem.
I would follow you and also share some experiences. my friend's girlfriend had a restaurant along the Senegambia Drive. we used to go there a lot so one night i'm there waiting for him. this tourist enters and takes a seat with a young boy!!! he was definely not more than 15yrs. i was just shocked. its around 10/11pm! when the tourist goes to the toilet i just walked to the boy and ask him to leave. you can say i was not brave enough to confront the tourist but i was a customer too and just avoiding a scene. infact if i had i would probably be arrested!!
and twinkly some do come for sex, i had a neighbour who rented a house next to ours, she was a British woman. shes was just changing men like every two weeks i saw her with a new one. in the end even the watchman wasn't spared.
i do not have number/figures on how widespread this sex tourism is but the image of gambia just ....? i dont even know what to say. even here in Sweden i met a swedish student who told me that in his town a very old man used to go to gambia every year because the girls are cheap. along Fajara, you see young girls openly stand along the Kairaba Avenue as prostitutes around the ElfTotal Oil headquarters opposite 7/7.
infact if you do a simple search on sex tourism on any search engine Gambia will come as one of the results. this is very sad.
i attribute the problem to two things, depreciation of the Dalasis so tourists have more spending power to exploit people. and aslo to the fact that most of the tourist industry is foreign owned. almost all the hotels and guest houses are foriegn owned so they just run it as a business to make money and do no see TOURISM as a CULTURAL EXPORT.
when other issues like FGM etc are discussed it evokes passionate defense agianst cultural invasion but the biggest threat to gambian culture is tourism, upon which we depend so much. we are all to blame tourists and gambians alike. there is a lot of pimping going on as well by young gambians guys.
just look at how The Gambia is included at Wikipedia, the biggest online reference site!! (see Destinations). this is shameful,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_tourism
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 17:06:25
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Njucks, i am at least happy that i read in your posting somewhere that 'SOME do come for sex' - implying (i hope) that not all white women do. Also i read the reference on Wikipedia as you advised and i was very amused to see first of all that my country, the Netherlands, was mentioned as a popular destination for sex tourism. Laughable! I suppose this is all about the red light district in Amsterdam. Let me tell you that this district is in a very picturesque part of the old center of this beautiful city where a lot of other things can be enjoyed apart from looking at the ladies in the windows (small international restaurants, old bookshops, antiques, flowershops etc.). Whenever i am in that area (as often as i can, and not for the ladies obviously - being a lady myself) i am always amazed at the many large groups of British men (hooligan type) who are misbehaving in the streets at any time of the day under the influence of alcohol.
Furthermore i would like you all to know that i regret finding this topic on the Bantaba. I am fed up with this discussion, it was one of the reasons that i 'fled' from the Dutch Gambia-forum. I have visited the Gambia many times (at the start because one of my sisters lived there, she is in the tourist industry), i have come to love the country and i have come to love a Gambian man. Together we try to support his family. I have become friends with a couple of Dutch women (some live in the Gambia semi=permanently) who are working hard to send 2 or 3 containers per year to G. filled with beds, school furniture, books, bicycles, clothes, well you name it) and distribute all these things to schools, hospitals and compounds in the Gambia. Maybe after the work has been done, they sit out at a cafe somewhere and have a drink with their Gambian friends (and i mean friends) and then they are looked at as if they have a sexual adventure in mind. I must say, the people who look at them with this dubious look in their eyes, are mostly white people. That is why whenever my Gambian partner and me are in his country together, we stay away from the awful tourist area around Senegambia.
I am not stupid, i know all these things described in the above postings do occur. Mostly between consenting adults, the advantage-taking is from both sides. When children are involved, naturally this is an entirely other subject. Children should be protected!
But for the rest: please, beware of prejudice! |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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trouble1317
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 17:18:27
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I BELIEVEALSO THAT WEST AFRICA IS HEADING FOR THE SOUTH AFRICAN WAY...
Another comment made to me was...
don't offer them anymore than 150 delassi, you'll spoil it for the rest of us...
This was when i had complimented, the fat gold ridden "rich" english woman on her hanmade shopping basket....
Well i'm sorry to say i've ruined it for her.... lol..
I know how much i was happy to pay for it and did just that..
Anyway i know who her "us" is now i see them throwing money down the drain on alcohol, yet don't want to pay a fair price, for goods, which are handcrafted, time consuming and so beautiful..
They know what price is just taking the **** and seem to enjoy the we are "loaded" feeling here...
Also i'm sorry to say that Gambia is like walking down canal st in amsterdam where the uglist species of mankind hang about...
The gambians must believe that the majority of europeans are bad stock..
Before anyone tells me..beauty is in the inside, uglyness is also on the inside.
If you can't get laid at home why do they suddenly think they are the bees knees in gambia, money and power is a bad combination..
Luckily we are aware of the problems which divided South Africa and as the "educated europeans" it is up to us to make sure that the white trash living in gambia, who do treat gambians this way are brought into line..
unmaterialistic english white woman, take care all. |
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Jack
Belgium
384 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 22:18:11
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AkemO,
Sorry but I can't agree with some of your statements. Generalising is certainly in this matter dangerous.
I visited the Gambia this year alone, not looking for sex. Some kind of coincidence was the reason why I spend some days in the Senegambia area and I stayed in the Senegambia Beach Hotel. The area is not my favourite place to stay as I prefer to be among the locals and not in big "touristic" hotels.
The main reason for my visit was a trip to Niokola Koba and Kedougou in Senegal if you want to know what the real reason was of my visit.
Certainly you know the region very well. From the SBHotel to the first restaurant is about 200 m I guess. First you meet some taxi drivers and then (without exagerating) I was asked - because I was walking alone there as a man- at least 5 times every evening if I need a girl, because his sister, niece, friend was so beautiful, not cheeting, honest, etc... Asked 5 times this question going to the restaurant, and returning from the restaurant once again. Sitting at a dinnertable they offered me free entrance in one of the 'hot places' like Tottis, because it was ladies night, there were a lot of beautiful girls, very good.... and son on. If I told the guy's (not always the same) that I'm not interested they looked to me as I was an alien or -after some days rejecting their offers- that I was gay... Non of these are the case.
And I bet you all will say now these are no Gambians but Nigerians, Sierra Leonians, Senegalese, ... I heard these stories several times when I was telling what was going on there.
Further I want to say that If no one offers him or herself in the sex business there would be no sextourism. But I'm aware that this is really a complex issue. So please don't generalise.
Greetz.
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trouble1317
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 00:24:26
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| I am not generalising only pointing out some "toubabs" attitude which i know well. :) |
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akem0
United Kingdom
25 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 00:41:55
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Jede, Thanks for your contribution towards this discussion but i will make NO apology for my earlier post and still stick to my words that personally i believe that majority of single toubab going to The Gambia for there so-call holiday is only going there for sex. Why do you refer to Gambians as LOCALS? Do you travel to other western countries and call people who live there LOCALS? Do you refer to your countrymen as Locals in your own country? See what am talking about how toubabs think they are superior to black people. Some of you toubab are the same people who will get up off a seat if a fellow black person come to sit beside on a bus but go to The gambia holding hand in hand with a black brother or a sister. Toubabs used our ancestors as slaves to work on there plantation now they are using us for sex. |
''If you must die,'' face the murderous cowardly pack/pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back! |
Edited by - akem0 on 20 Mar 2006 01:09:57 |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 10:45:11
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Iīm glad you brought this discussion up trouble1317, this topic can never get too tired.
What angers me the most is that these westerners (women in particular) who go to Gambia donīt seem to know or are denying that they are contributing to prostitution everytime they Pay for someones "guiding" services. The tourist guides often guide their customer all the way to the bedroom!
It is well known that prostitution in the Gambia has been going on ever since the tourism gates opened in the 70īs.
In Sweden it is illegal to buy a prostitute, some of these old women (40-70 years...)travel to the Gambia and all of a sudden itīs ok to buy sex?
The woman who meets a guy at the beach or outside the hotel (tourist guide) and support him economically during her stay, is making prostitution possible.
She may look at him as a friend during her weeks there and pay for him at the clubs, restaurants and so on. When they end up in bed at the hotel room it is a question of prostitution, and she may not even realize that fact. She think of him as her "friend" or holiday crush or whatever.
When she leaves the country her "friend" finds another woman the same day who can support him for some weeks... The bad wheel keep on spinning, (and the diseases keep on spreading.)
So, are these women aware of that they buy a prostitute whenever they pay for a mans company? I think so.
They didnīt just leave their brains at home, right?
Or is it the stupid women in particular who travel to Gambia?
Maybe.
Some of these nuts for women even marry their "holiday crush" whom they known for only a few weeks...( in other words: they donīt even know them!) As if that doesnīt speak for it self already..
Sometimes I really wonder whatta hell is going on in some peoples heads and why they are allowed to walk on the streets without a supervisor...
Africa, I apologize for these shameless people (who gives me a bad name too)! |
Edited by - Babylon on 20 Mar 2006 10:49:09 |
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akem0
United Kingdom
25 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 11:08:15
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Well said Babylon . |
''If you must die,'' face the murderous cowardly pack/pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back! |
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