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turk
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 Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 01:34:28
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in response to your figures regarding the Dutch population there is always the "lies, damn lies and statistics" argument (ie you can mould statistics to show whatever it is you want the result to be)!
My statistic has larger scale. Yours is smaller. According to science of mathematic mine is more valid. Based on you logic, if a german live in Berlin, Volks street, germans are minority because on that street 70 % of residents are turkish. 20 % african. 10 percent are german who are involve with either turkish or african. So your statistical data does not have much point. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 02:31:13
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this forward is a shame. I am glad i am just getting to read the shameful forward, only to prevent me from explosion. I wish i never read this, makes me only a fool who cannot battle the case. If anyone's father or mother is mentioned in this way, they will react, but if it is noble prophet, it's no. It is a state of weakness and sickness. Until then, we are yet to heal.
The noble prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is of the highest virtue.
Look for the missing ones. yadayada....no other ***** to be other than the little serpent, hiding behind the woodland..i warned you sick ***** for the last time, before i ask the admins to censor and exile me out of this forum for ever, for being that follower to your devilish head....Perish be your ugly hand, and your dirty mind that gave you the evilness to insult islam and its noble prophet. Perish be you, agonized by your evil instinct.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 05:20:31
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where is the beast????????????????????????????????
Don't you think islam have better things, ways, tolerance, democracy, diversity et cetera to offer???
The much talked about morality/constructive debate is only when people exercise decency. I said it here before, respect can be only give and take. if any one have a purpose with intent to annoy OR HURT you, there is no good rule that says spare him or her. the good rule is to tell the devil to go to hell in agony. like malcolm said, maintain all the good spirit, but send any in your WAY to the graveyard. that is a fair offer/treatment.
(ahHHH haaaaaaaa! WE NEED THE REAL SHARP CUTTING BLADES HERE. YES, WE DO!)
Personally, i think islam came to rescue all especially the black man. No more slavely from whites, arabs, or even blacks, coordination of slavely, like it used to be.
now, how come the unlettered prophet was a memorizer to all that book, with all that wisdom-sunnah and hadith????
that same book is still around with an unaltered dot?
FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST!
FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST!
the opposite is true. hypocrisy, bigotry, hatred and arrogance. the progression of islam, its growth, decency and everything is a threat to only people who wants others to be belittled,enslaved, unequal....
when they get the upper hand, they won't forgive you. i tell you that much. these foolish man-made laws, based on nothing but human evil....it is only good to cut evil at the tender stage.
for those that are truly tolerant in their heads and minds, i say to you, keep up the decency. that's a good spirit.
what do you see, when muslims stand in rows, praying....can you recognize the poor from the rich, the educated from the illerate, the white from the black, et cetera......
Personally, i have respect and interacted with people of all works of life, different faiths. That part i will maintain. the verse says " to you be your religion, me, mine." that is a most fair democracy/rule, anywhere, anyplace.
Islam is a healer/caller to peace.
Where were you when the verse said
"Salamun khairUn Min rabbin raheem" in surah Yaseen.\
SALAM=PEACE
KHAIRUN=PEACE
RABBI=GOD
RAHEEM=MERCIFUL
or "lakum dinakum waliya deen"
To you be your religion, me, mine.
WHY WOULD THIS VERSE BE IN EXISTENCE IF THERE WAS NO TOLERANCE IN ISLAM??
OR YET STILL A PROPHET THAT KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DEPART THIS WORLD, SEEK OF ANY NAME, AFTER HE DIES?
WHY & HOW WOULD AN UNLETTERED PROPHET TALKED ABOUT THINGS, PROPHETS AND MESSNGERS BEFORE HIM, IN THAT MANNER, ORDER, PERFECTION, IF HE WAS NOT ENDOWED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE BOOK?
WHY WOULD ISLAM BE A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE, INSTEAD OF THOSE PIONEERS JUST SEEKING WEALTH, MATERIAL ET CETERA, JUST LIKE THE WORLD BLOOD ******S & HYPOCRITES ARE DOING-WITH GREED???
IF YOU ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS, THEN GO WIPE OFF THE EVIL, AND PRONOUNCE THE NAME OF YOUR LORD, AND SAY THE DECLARATION OF FAITH....
I LOVE GOD
I LOVE RASUULU.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 06:00:24
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http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/55.htm
Surah 55. The Beneficent, The Mercy Giving
1. ((Allah)) Most Gracious!
2. It is He Who has taught the Qur'an.
3. He has created man:
4. He has taught him speech (and intelligence).
5. The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed;
6. And the herbs and the trees - both (alike) bow in adoration.
7. And the Firmament has He raised high, and He has set up the Balance (of Justice),
8. In order that ye may not transgress (due) balance.
9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance.
10. It is He Who has spread out the earth for (His) creatures:
11. Therein is fruit and date-palms, producing spathes (enclosing dates);
12. Also corn, with (its) leaves and stalk for fodder, and sweet-smelling plants.
13. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
14. He created man from sounding clay like unto pottery,
15. And He created Jinns from fire free of smoke:
16. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
17. (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests:
18. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
19. He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting together:
20. Between them is a Barrier which they do not transgress:
21. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
22. Out of them come Pearls and Coral:
23. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
24. And His are the Ships sailing smoothly through the seas, lofty as mountains:
25. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
26. All that is on earth will perish:
27. But will abide (for ever) the Face of thy Lord,- full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.
28. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
29. Of Him seeks (its need) every creature in the heavens and on earth: every day in (new) Splendour doth He (shine)!
30. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
31. Soon shall We settle your affairs, O both ye worlds!
32. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
33. O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!
34. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
35. On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defence will ye have:
36. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
37. When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:
38. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
39. On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.
40. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
41. (For) the sinners will be known by their marks: and they will be seized by their forelocks and their feet.
42. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
43. This is the Hell which the Sinners deny:
44. In its midst and in the midst of boiling hot water will they wander round!
45. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
46. But for such as fear the time when they will stand before (the Judgment Seat of) their Lord, there will be two Gardens-
47. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
48. Containing all kinds (of trees and delights);-
49. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
50. In them (each) will be two Springs flowing (free);
51. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
52. In them will be Fruits of every kind, two and two.
53. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
54. They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach).
55. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
56. In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
57. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
58. Like unto Rubies and coral.
59. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
60. Is there any Reward for Good - other than Good?
61. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
62. And besides these two, there are two other Gardens,-
63. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
64. Dark-green in colour (from plentiful watering).
65. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
66. In them (each) will be two Springs pouring forth water in continuous abundance:
67. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
68. In them will be Fruits, and dates and pomegranates:
69. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
70. In them will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful;-
71. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
72. Companions restrained (as to their glances), in (goodly) pavilions;-
73. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
74. Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
75. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
76. Reclining on green Cushions and rich Carpets of beauty.
77. Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
78. Blessed be the name of thy Lord, full of Majesty, Bounty and Honour.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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concort
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 07:46:31
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Dalton 1 wrote : ...the opposite is true. hypocrisy, bigotry, hatred and arrogance. the progression of islam, its growth, decency and everything is a threat to only people who wants others to be belittled,enslaved, unequal.....
It seems to me that some choose to call Islam a threat because of the daily converts at an alarming rate. Muslims get harassed, discriminated against when traveling by air or when muslim women wear their hijabs in public. Why?
Dalton 1 wrote : what do you see, when muslims stand in rows, praying....can you recognize the poor from the rich, the educated from the illerate, the white from the black, et cetera......
Turk and I have repeatedly explained to the general audience that we are all equal and one in Islam. We even forwarded the last sermon of our noble prophet for all to read. We respect all races irrespective of your religion. We honor and cherish every single soul on this planet. Why? Because we are all from Allah. When you hate others, it seems to me that you have defied your creator. So "lakum dinakum waliya deen" To you be your religion, me, mine.
Dalton1 As always, thank you bro.
Santa-Please be steadfast in your faith and don't fall for cheap shots when people say "By the time he's done he'll have lost a lot of respect from many people on this site ...
Who owns respect? Santa's lost respect simply by adhering to his beliefs? I hope that he seeks God's honor rather than that of the enemies of Islam who's only motive is to provole and spread lies about Islam. Again, have you heard anyone at the Bantaba spreading rumors and lies about the other religions? Respect is not earned by sucking up or licking people's backsides.
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 07:49:33
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Well Dalton, it seems that you have exploded after all....what an avalanche of words. It's pity i cannot decide at this moment for whom they are meant. Are you angry with all the partakers in this debate, or is your anger meant for just some of us?
'To you your religion, to me - mine': I am perfectly happy with that. But then you make a mistake (i hope): You say in your second posting:
Why would this verse be in existence if there was tolerance in Islam? I suppose and hope that you meant to say: NO tolerance.
Turk, i was grateful to MeMe that she felt like stepping in for me and to show you that you got your figures wrong. Of the 32% of immigrants in my beautiful old city, 78% live in my neighbourhood. They are welcome as far as i am concerned, i live with an African immigrant myself (who sometimes has to put up with a lot of discrimination, not from Dutch people but from immigrant, mostly Moroccan, 'hopeless' youngsters hanging around who call him '******' and every day i pray to God it will not make my man explode one day too). That (Dutch) people feel threathened (NOT ME, I AM TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN MY COUNTRY NOWADAYS) is an emotional thing, statistics do not help.
Yes, you were right again: our government underestimated the consequences when, as early as in the late 50's, they asked Moroccan and Turkish workers to come work here because there were too many jobs having to do with the rebuilding of the country after WWII and not enough Dutch men having to with this same war. There was a, too long, period of 'live and let live', all the political parties so afraid of being discriminatory and undutch intolerant. Now as a result we have rightwing politicians who say undutch things that i am too ashamed of to repeat here, a curfew in the streets of my neighbourhood, and stabbings at secondary schools between Turkish and Moroccan students. Yes, there is no denying it: the people who feel threathened are very good at generalising; according to them it's the 'newcomers' who are responsible for the unrest in our society and .......the newcomers are the Muslims. Bin Laden, 9/11, the killing of Theo van Gogh in the center of Amsterdam: all these things did a lot to strengthen them in that conviction. And the people who feel like that are the type of people who send DVD's around like the one Kayjatta received.
The circle is closed!
To me this is not a question of who's right or who's wrong. It is a matter of trying to find each other again and live in peace.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 08:45:49
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my figures not wrong. Your figures not wrong either. But according to science of statistics my figures overrules your figures :)
Anyway, terrorism and violant behaviour due to several reasons. I give you one example.
Have you seen 'gang of new yorks'? Why irish was threated like a second class citizen. That is why there were violent irish gangs in america long ago. At times english anglicans/protestants blamed catolism or irish are being sub-human. Even irish were more violant than english, the reason was not catolism. It was irish came after brits. They had less opportunity, they were less established. So irish seek alternatives to be accepted. How come italian mafia in usa. Not because of italians are criminal in nature. But italians were really threated bad by blonde anglosakson or germans. Than why puerto-ricans were more into crime. Not that they have that in their DNA. Or more recent, crime in black neighbourhood. Not that because of natural born criminal. It is about circumstances. If you don't have opportunity, you go underworld. You go school, it is not attractive. I was talking to this african american. He told me black youth in usa does not like school, because for example history does not focus on slavery, or african colonization. All is about anglo glory in the history books. So that demotives them in the school.
So, if system demonize islam, you do not have opportunities, you mostly became illegal. As you pointed out turkish immigrants came to duthcland. I mean these people do not have any jobs education in Turkey. They come to dutchland and still face discrimination. They have all kind of barriers, and most important they are not capable. I don't wanna be give myself as example but when I migrated to germany first than canada, it was easy to integrate for me. In your example of 'haram', I would react differently even though I know that was 'haram'. That is not my business to tell you that. That is ignorance.
What I am demonstrating here that, islam is not reason about your experience. The people may be ignorant, they can't integrate dutch society, or they are not educated, they are angry because they don't have opportunity. What did they do? they became illegal or terrorist. Do you blame islam in this case or ignorance of something else?
The point is islam is not really reason people becaming terrorist. There are several other primary reasons.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:30:33
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Turk, it is true that most immigrants (me included) encounter hardships integrating into new countries and societies. However, this is not sufficient to turn many people violent murderers. Many people gradually adapt to their new environment if they are interested in integrating at all. If children are pointing at poeple in the street shouting haram, they clearly learned that from their parents in the home. You can teach your kids that alcohol or pork is haram, but also teach them that they must not impose this believe on others and that they need to respect others who are different (diversity).
The fact of the matter is that many of these young alienated immigrants or children of immigrants mainly from the Middle East are recruited into violence. Themselves are victims of unscrupulous zealots. There is a huge empire of financiers, charity, money and mosques that recruits and send young people on killing missions around the world.
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turk
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:51:59
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this is not sufficient to turn many people violent murderers.
It does not justify people turning to violant. But it is a main reason. How come there is no english mafia in USA but latino mafia. How come there is no dutch mafia in Europe but turkish/russian mafia?
If children are pointing at people in the shouting haram, of course they learnt from ther parents, for example turkish parents who migrated to dutchland because they have no education and job in Turkey. That is why they go. They are the lower class in Turkey. they are ignorant, they are jobless. What would them to educate their children?
I am always amaze with these mosques which are producing terrorist like crazy. I have been to mosques. I have been to mosque executive. You sound like you watch too much fox or cnn. Most people are busy with their children, job, paying bills worry about how to send death muslims to their country. I doubt you ever been to mosque? I have been to mosque in Toronto, London, Australia. While there are some radicals which religion does not have it, most are worry about the bills.
I have done my contribution here. In summary
In my opinion, association islam with terrorism is part of demonization of islam efforts and it is islamophobia. There are several factors as a root of terrorims. And they are universal. The root of terrorism is same for muslims as christian, or ateist. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:55:46
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 09:57:52
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Good explanation Turk, but i don't need it: i know all that. The awful thing is, this is becoming a cruel selffulfilling prophesy: the 'original' population of any western country feels threathened by the many newcomers (Muslims), because of that the newcomers (Muslims) feel looked upon as second rate and because of that some of them (mostly third generation immigrants by the way, who were born in the western country their grandparents immigrated to) radicalise and make their religion (Islam) their main purpose in life, sometimes going so far as to commit violent (= unIslamic, I KNOW) crimes, which will strengthen this particular part of the 'original' population in their conviction that newcomers=Muslims=crime/violence. And the result: anti-Islam DVD's like the one who was delivered to Kayjatta's mailbox.
Where did it start, where will it end?
Yesterday: i was teaching Public Relations to a group of third year students, four of them Turks. After explaining some of the theoretical workings of PR and giving them instructions i asked them to sit in groups and work on part of a PR-plan. The Turks decided to work on it together, no problem. But soon they were engaged in a kind of 'meeting', deciding who would have to do what and they started talking loudly in Turkish. I told them to speak Dutch since we were in a Dutch school and i wanted to know what was going on. Unfortunately one of the Dutch guys threw in a remark like 'yes, i am disturbed by it too'. I saw one of the Turkish guys, Ali - normally a nice guy and a serious student - get up, his face all white and his eyes ablaze. I could see in my mind's eye what would happen: Ali would lose his cool and start to fight the Dutch guy, the other Dutch students would come to the defense of their Dutch classmate and the other Turkish guys would join in the fight in defense of Ali. So i told Ali to leave the room on the spot, which he did (thank God) but he shouted at me that i was discriminating, that i did not want him to be proud of his Turkish origin etc. 'Yes, ok - whatever you say, as long as you get out now'. The other Turks left after him in solidarity, which i can understand.
After the lesson, Ali (22 and born here) apologised saying that he knew full well that the students' statutes say that Dutch is spoken by all students throughout the lessons and that he knows i am not the discriminating type. I told him that i had to prevent a big fight and that i wanted to protect him from his own anger.
But it is all so vulnerable: the anger and the minority complex (always felt but not always justified) are bubbling right under the surface and this surface is so, so thin. Sometimes i feel like living on one big timebomb.
Yes, it was like that in the time of 'Gangs of New York' (which i saw and found impressive), i think the UScitizens of Irish origin do not feel second rate or looked down upon these days so maybe there is hope yet for generations of Muslim immigrants to come.
That's it for today, folks. For as my good friend MeMe stated, i have other things to worry about much closer to home.
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kobo
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 16:12:49
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KAY'S QUOTES refer as follows:-
"I defintely want to sit back away from this topic for now and focus on other things, but i must honestly say that the amount of contempt,intolerance and toxicity of the posts by Turk, Mbay, and Kobo (I leave out Santafara this time because he seems to have chilled out a bit) is not helping the image of Islam at all. If you have to be a great advocate of Islam, you need to clearly distance yourself from terrorists and condemn Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda in unequivocal terms unstead of tacitly endorsing them. To consider every criticism of Islam as PROVOCATION is to suggest you have a VIOLENT nature. Can't you take criticsm in good faith?"
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Turk, it is true that most immigrants (me included) encounter hardships integrating into new countries and societies. However, this is not sufficient to turn many people violent murderers. Many people gradually adapt to their new environment if they are interested in integrating at all. If children are pointing at poeple in the street shouting haram, they clearly learned that from their parents in the home. You can teach your kids that alcohol or pork is haram, but also teach them that they must not impose this believe on others and that they need to respect others who are different (diversity).
The fact of the matter is that many of these young alienated immigrants or children of immigrants mainly from the Middle East are recruited into violence. Themselves are victims of unscrupulous zealots. There is a huge empire of financiers, charity, money and mosques that recruits and send young people on killing missions around the world.
Kay are you SEEKING ANSWERS EXCLUSIVELY ON MAIL FORWARDED or MAKING ALLEGATIONS, BECAME TREACHEROUS WITH POLITICS, ELABORATING, SUBSTANTIATE AND ENDORSING THEM AS FACTS  Kay what are you after? KNOWLEDGE OR PROPAGANDA POLITICS?
You appear to be VERY CUNNING This answer ("Thanks for the post Kobo, but I didn't even read it..."); is not helpful as it shows that you appear to lost interest to read or biased to analyse information about MESSAGES OF ISLAM, PROPHET MUHAMMAD & HOLY QURAN.
Whenever I gave references Kay please read properly and don't bring POLITICS until later.
REPEAT AGAIN
Surely we would tackle all the ANSWERS REQUIRED TO CLEAR ALL MISCONCEPTIONS AND WHATEVER IS ON THAT DVD COMMENTARIES, OPINIONS, ASSUMPTOIONS & CONCLUSIONS as we reveiw these websites and these RELEVANT questions:-
I)ISLAM & FREEDOM OF BELIEF under http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Islamonline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503548996
II) RECOMMENDED REFERENCE- Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, Senior Lecturer & Islamic Scholar at the Institute of Toronto, Ontario Canada
Islam online.net http://search.virginmedia.com/results/?channel=search&vml=telewest&vmt=&f=0&q=Islam++and+freedom+of+belief+Sheikh+Ahmad+Kutty+Senior+lecturer+at+Islamic+Institute+of+Toronto%2C+Ontario+Canada&cr=&x=27&y=14
"Iqra" SEEK KNOWLEDGE!
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mbay
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 18:03:48
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Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, were not going to depart (from their ways) until there should come to them Clear Evidence, Q.98/V1)
Because they Rejects the MAJESTY.
they're Blind ,they will never see through their eye or heart neither with their Brain which ALL MIGHTY has give them to use it for good propose not by Evils!.
A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;- Q 41/V3.
As you see, deaf/blind man is just that they simple cant be as us.
They Rejects his WORDS which is APPRECIABLE and NOBLE ,not just for blacks- browns-reds-whites-yellows etc. but for ALL (a MANKINDS,but not just in looking!)and as HE said. FOR PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND, with whom are we exchanging our knowledge here, with which understanding?
And admit them to the Garden which He has announced for them. Q 47 V6
Yes there are Arrogance people with their agony's who are the thesame that rejects HIMSELF(ALLAH SW) AND HIS WORDS (AL-QURAN AL-KRIM) and cackles at you but as HE said again
Those who reject God and hinder (men) from the Path of God,- their deeds will God render astray (from their mark).Q 47 V1
They should knows that not just the good mankind are obeying their Lord but the Jinns and all creatures, He said: The sun and the moon follow courses (exactly) computed; And the herbs and the trees -both (alike) bow in adoration.Q 55/ V7.
So you think ingoraning ALLAH and HIS messangers is their lost?
but you soon will know it as HE WARNS in Surah 82-83 V4:And when the Graves are turned upside down- (Then) shall each soul know what it hath sent forward and (what it hath) kept back.
This MAN didnt come with the WORDS OF ALLAH to us for self interes as heathers wants it to be,
Nor profits of His Families or Arabs but for the benefit of us all, (we knows this as tolerance!)
So My dear Brothers and sister we should not mind these people, whether they ignore the true or trying to aid themself more for inviting other in thier dark side will not help them, people are turning in to the true (Islam) day by day-more and more.
We will get our rewards (fairly) but those that also has ignored as well.
HE SAID: Verily God will admit those who believe and do righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow; while those who reject God will enjoy (this world) and eat as cattle eat; and the Fire will be their abode.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 05:00:15
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It's called state of 'idiocy'
If one cannot accept the fact that people are free, then you can as well dig your farty-fart ass and lick it. It is clear. As far as i am concerned, Islam is what i believe in. My deeds are mine. whatever of good muslims do in the judgement of honest, it is true islam, otherwise, it is their own deeds.
"To you be yours, me, mine."
Wat ever you do or say to try to clean your mesh, it will never work. It is just for you to wash yourselves from it. The least you do is to tolerate. that's the english word. tolerate! It can only help you be a good person. Don't you see islam elimated slavery, racism, tribalism and all the bull****-ism ever known.
what is funny now, with all these 'devils' wagging wars in muslim nations, they obviously belong to other religious sects/denominations, but no one is calling them "terrorists/extremists" why not???? isn't that the start of hypocrisy and bigotry? or ignorance to truth???
Meeeeeeeein, what ever comes of this thread. that's it.
the farty-farty Danas and Mavins. *****s!!! Suck a dick, something you good at doing...or go sleep with dogs and cats.......and wear the cap for yourself that fits you. i will not put that crown on your head. wear it if it belongs to you, if not let the ***** that own it to wear it. ***** of hypocrisy!!!
it's high time, i excuse myself from this threading, for the sake of those honest readers....deaf, dumb and blind *****s.....
like professor cummings said "they speak to you like angels, and they behave like *****ic human beings.."
chem lakat!  |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 05:11:12
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Amiiiiiiiiin, let me ask this question.
Are those that distabiling the world not belonging to sects/religions, some of them even without religion, just an attachment?????
If so , why are the religions that these blood-******s in these nations or people not called extremists and terrorists. ****!
Am i in a nightmare? must be, because i know more than enough not be bought with cheap candies....
the very nations, peoples, world leaders supporting terror---they belong to the two other world religions, that led to the deaths of millions of millions of people....we hear their comments every day, and see their actions every day..........so what, *****, are you deaf or dump??? you ain't seeing cluster bombs dropping on the innocent palestinian children throwing stones?
or those poor iraqis being robbed of their oil??
and the many others......
You know what, please leave me a friggin alone...... |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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