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jambo
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 Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 15:57:02
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Turk, let me answer some of the points you raise,
The Islamic religion has been around for centuries living happily side by side with other religions YES/NO
SO WHY IN THE PAST 5 years has the need for violence arisen
"How come suddenly muslims are terrorist or violant."
why did the taliban decided after centures of living with the buddists statues in their land blow them up, ask the women to take the veil, become more inward thinking. This is muslim against muslim why , what happened.
I ask why you live in Australia, you have a choice good for you, but look at some of the issues raised, in the name of Islam (PBU)
fundamentalists demanding that school children wear the veil, they never ask for that, march down the streets of france demnading their rights, they never demanded that, they lived side by side quite happily. Killing people because of the beliefs,
All this has happened in the past ten years why?!? the reason you are getting blamed for violence is violence is being done in the name of your religion, YOU CAN STOP IT, the moderate believers should stop the violence from within.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 01:20:18
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia
Jambo
Based on your simplistic logic one would have following outcome.
Hutus killed tutsi, all africans are bloody murderer.
There are suicide bombers. All muslims are murderers.
All germans are nazi.
All christians are fanatics due to mormons.
All irish are terrorist.
All jamaicans are drug addict.
All colombians are drug dealers.
All gambians are bumpster.
All brits are hooligans.
What else? The world is more complex than that.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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sisay
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Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 04:36:12
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Turk, how you got that I think Muslims are bad people completely escapes me. My words were quite the opposite. Please go back and read it again, brother.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the law-abiding majority of Muslims are discriminated against in the West because of a terrorist minority. You are also right that Islam has existed for well over a millenium, largely without terrorism. But it is a copout to say that terrorists are insignificant to Islam today because they make a small percentage. First, we can't know the real percentage because the terrorists aren't going to come forward in any census  I am sure some countries have a relatively high rate of terrorism - maybe as high as 10% in countries like Pakistan. Certainly, polls have shown that support of terrorist organisations is among the majority in such countries, or a large slice of the minority in others. But even if you are right and the global percentage is less than 1%, 15 Million terrorists is a huge and dangerous number of suicidal, genocidal thugs armed with bombs and automatic weapons. Especially when viewed in light of the alarming growth rate of terrorism (up 25% between 2005 and 2006). It's utter negligence that Islamic leaders refuse to issue fatwas against it and speak out about it. Perhaps they are afraid of being targeted. By the way, terrorism is not as recent as 9/11. It has been happening globally since the 70s. That's over 30 years. How will it diminish if we dismiss it as insignificant and don't try and distance it from Islam? |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 06:25:35
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sisay
I do realize the terrorism exist in Islamic community just like Timoty, kkk in usa, IRA in ireland, ETA in spain and goes on. But the association of 'islam' and 'terror' is being exaggerated in the name of demonization of islam in general which is hidden agenda. After the fall of communism, yankeestan wanted to create an enemy to use as a fear factor. With the brainwashing, propaganda and mostly time with provocation they create this illussion of 'terrorist islam'. Another motivation is using islamic terrorism as an excuse to expand the imperialist interests. i.e. iraq. How can one call palestinian are islamic terrorist for example. To me they are nationalist movement. Just like irish. ONE MUST UNDERSTAND. The motivation of terrorism by terrorist who happened to be muslims are more than the islamic ideology. It is about imperialism and freedom. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 10:23:08
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| sisay ,it is true that your posting make sense but why associate islam with the actions of independent individual ? if you believe that muslims have terorist then why not spread the same brush to those inflicting even more harm than the occassional terrorist attacks ? it is absolutetly delibarate for the west and her allies to associate islam with whatever bad name they themselves coined. see the biger picture.of course there are crimnals among every race ,religionss,tribe and creed.why not name them as individual crimianls ?that shows you the real intentions.the intention is to make islam unattractive and violent ,yet they are wrong with the fasle accussations.again we have to meeet the accussers with equal strategy ,we cannot leave them for sake of dialogue and free speech.if the free speech is a lie you expose it.so kay is not after dialogue or proper discussion but indirect provocation.the prophet muhammad is noble personality to us.we do not accept people insulting him for the sake of free speech .insult me,insult my mother ,i can deal with that ,but spreading lies about our noble messenger is unacceptable.that is what we are dealing with .whoever hide behind knowledge and education to spread lies is sinister character . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 10:31:32
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| kobo ,good that you bring the real word they play with JIHAD.jihad doesn't mean holy war or fighting .jihad simply means strive or struggle. ital means fight in arabic.but the orrientalist delibarately design that deifination to cause doubt and create hate for muslims.they go on about juhadish ,isalimist, etc.where did they get this words from ? they coined them self for the purpose of creating an enemy .what will the thausands of cia agents do if there is no enemy to confront ?the british mi5 ,the mossad ect.this men need job and that job most be created.be it a muslims or some one else.a job will be created for them .a survey carried out after 9/11 in u.s ask muslims what do they think of the 9/11 ?over 90% responded ,just one 14 year old boy said he aggreed with ben laden .that comment became front page news.why ?the real reason for the survey was to get that one respond . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 10:40:56
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
"...again if some one is to write a letter to you insulting and making unfounded alegations against your mother ,would you pass that on as well to be debated ? i hope not."
Santafara did you ask me this question above?
Here is my answer, my mother? No, but if it is your mother I will put that on the internet so you can read it and have a chance to respond to it!
Thank you.
this shows that you are a pseudo muslim .a real muslims will not carry on pasting insult to islam and its messenger on the internet for discussions.the messenger of islam will be insulted by the enemies of islam whether you paste it or not but for you to carry on forwarding it indicate the real you .i brought in your mother because i know you will not post foul remarks about her on the web and you prove that . insult me or my mother ,i can handle that .the prophet of islam said ''you do not have emmaan if i am not dearer to you than your ownself ''.i will not forwrd any hate mail agianst islam or the person of prophet muhammad and his family .never.so you go along forward them any where you want .again ,tell your friends who are sending you the messages to send more to you since you are at there service. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 11:13:58
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If you did not mention my mom I will never mention your mother. I'm one of the most decent people on earth, I respect everybody irrespective of whatever differences of opinion we might have. If you guys wanna get along, you need to limit your assault to the articles in discussion instead of attacking personalities. If you attack me, I will have no choice but to attack back at you and your 'little satellites' Mbay and Turk. Call me an 'infidel' if you like, however judgement is only for God to do, but only intelligent people know that, right?
In law, there is what they call 'my client made me'. You guys have triggered a behavior that is not the usual me; i just became caught up in your senseless and negative wrangling much like a 'tempest in a tea cup' (I'm sorry you said you have no taste for literature). |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 12:54:50
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Intrinsically I doesn't need to reacts to a Yankee / junkie man like you with out a decorum , you are nothing but Dummy of all creatures, what makes you a different with those pouring nonsense in their dailypress about us like what happen in Denmark? if you, a manikin of evils gets that power you will be even worst than your masters. Am sure you will never gets courage if you stand face to face and try open your dirty mouth toward us.(you know what will come to you !)
but since we are in cyber you can go alone with your despicable bosh treat to Islam but you will get answer to your fate one day,
NO ONE CAN ESCAPS FROM ALLAH!you will vanished away like those before you with out singly person touching you!
Have you ever heard a self respect? definitely not.
A Empty head like you ( a self proclaiming cogitative man which means nothing for us!)talking about respect and yada-yada-yada while not even knowing what its.
You and those rolling with you in the same bedspread thinks going in class room and gets nonsense brainwash there is what the world knows as intelligent/respect?, Keep it up! but try to know when they finish with you they will kick you in your... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 13:31:06
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| You are full of hate, go blow yourself up! |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 14:50:41
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| This 'debate' is becoming disgusting and dangerous......isn't it time for the administrator/moderator to step in? Why can't some of you agree to disagree and why do you have to see an 'attack' in every sincere question that is asked so as to get a better understanding of each other's motives? Some of the answers here make me very pessimistic when it comes to peace and tolerance. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 14:42:44
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quote:
Originally posted by anna
This 'debate' is becoming disgusting and dangerous......isn't it time for the administrator/moderator to step in? Why can't some of you agree to disagree and why do you have to see an 'attack' in every sincere question that is asked so as to get a better understanding of each other's motives? Some of the answers here make me very pessimistic when it comes to peace and tolerance.
My thoughts exactly, Anna, which is why I wrote to the Moderator yesterday! |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 15:13:46
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anna
You may not be able to understand sometime. You just need to 'be it' or 'experience it' or 'live it'. As sometime you are so passionate about 'women rights', 'feminism', 'domestic abuse' because you have values which are very important to you and some guys say something stupid with every time he or she opens the mouth. I mean soccer fans kill others in the name of game. You are tired of it. You are so frustrated. It is about experience you may never had. Most muslim countries have many economic problems. Many are already under occupation by Israel, USA, UK and colonized. Muslims can't compete with west when it comes to economy. They do not have army to fight with them. They are already humiliated with several defeats. So, the only thing west did not take, our faith, now our faith is under attack in the name of demonoziation. Our faith is associated with the 'devil', 'terrorism', 'our prophet' is portrayed as 'terrorist', we are stopped at the immigration because of 'profiling', our men are in abu-gharib sexually abused by american soldiers, our men are in cuba being hold up without legal rights. We are so frustrated. Do not come and attack me only thing left. You are talking about pessimism. Other than my faith, I have only reason to be pessimistic as a community. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 16:10:49
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quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
If you did not mention my mom I will never mention your mother. I'm one of the most decent people on earth, I respect everybody irrespective of whatever differences of opinion we might have. If you guys wanna get along, you need to limit your assault to the articles in discussion instead of attacking personalities. If you attack me, I will have no choice but to attack back at you and your 'little satellites' Mbay and Turk. Call me an 'infidel' if you like, however judgement is only for God to do, but only intelligent people know that, right?
In law, there is what they call 'my client made me'. You guys have triggered a behavior that is not the usual me; i just became caught up in your senseless and negative wrangling much like a 'tempest in a tea cup' (I'm sorry you said you have no taste for literature).
a fool needn't be answered all the time.count yourself among the best english writers and speakers ,may be that will make your family proud.
on the topic,you forwarded an article which you know for certain is distasteful and untrue yet you feel it necessary as your american duty to wined up some few muslims who can't stand lies peddle against the person of our prophet and religion.i don't give a darm about any sort of free speech in that department .we all advocate for free speech but not nonsensical free speech .the young republican peddling this nonsense are doing it to preserve their future.they wish to inherite what there parents are doing ,that is to brainwash idiouts like you in doing the dirty job for them.pass on the hate message ,may be you may get a tap on the back.
who prove to be more indecent in here than you ? if any one is to forward hate monging article here by american diplomats you will be the first to start accussing us of hating america. why don't you see the true coloure of your masters ?
no amount of your mind games will will stop me from responding to your filty lies .if admin deem it necessary to stop me because of that well and good.i have my limits with socall free speech . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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