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turk
USA
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 Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 01:09:40
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Also last time I checked, last 100 years, major massive war was committed by mostly western nations
1. WW1
2. WW2
3. Vietnam War
4. Cold War
Than charging of muslim being violent, terrorist will not be taken lightly.
Meme
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 10:59:36
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Originally posted by MeMe
Well, that's a nice peaceful (Islam anyone?) message for this forum!
IT DEPENDS WHAT DEFINATION YOU HAVE FOR PEACE.i don't see any thing peaceful in some one labelling the second larges religious group in world as unpeaceful .one out of every five person is a muslim. if some people find that too much and are hell bent on designing ways to counter that ,then it is the obligation of sincere muslims to clear that misconceptions even socall libral muslims are trying hard to appologise for.how can you appologise for a crime you did not commit ? how stupid can some muslims get.if some westerners out there are devicing ways and means to irritate muslims and then they waite for some muslims to react which then becomes some twenty fours news item ,we call that deception.
peace is a relative word .what you see as peaceful way of life some one else see that differently.today it has been estimated that crack cocaine is taking over certain parts of britain ,but to the dealers ,the boom is a good thing ,yet to the police and the general public it is bad thing .to some drinking and chilling out is peaceful way to relax, yet to some any drop is high way to lung cancer and for the rest of their life's they are sick .similarly to some the whole ancient religious thing is backward way to live and a neusance to civilise people yet the abandonment of religion has created so much vacuum, the best phycologist can't even fix half of the socail problems.
the word peace is some thing word we can just play with any how we want.if not getting married ,if not bound by faith ,if not thinking about after life is what you percieve as peace then many have a difference of opion with you.again ,if the religious talk is all violent to your percetion ,many wouldn't aggree with you.
religion is blame for crimes it never committed.yet we accept others view of what they call religious intollerance .what about the accussers own versions of intollerance ? if religion is seen as for God and in that case its private and uncool ,then we should argue similar things about human law enforcers. why the speed limits ? why stop a bugler ? why protect a child from pedophiles ? why expose drug dealers? and the many whys .
those who are guilty of intollerance are those who see no problem in provocating law abiding people who just want to carry on their life as they wish without affecting any other person. causing offense to other people's faith and believe is not free speech ,it is provocation at its highes level.we all have things that we will stand and defend.be it our house,our savings ,our children,our jobs etc.who will allow your boss to knowning start bring the down the company work for, which will result in you lossing your job ?
why do workers go on strike ? they defend what they see as their interest and some thing dear to them. why do governments go to war ? they want to defend what they see as valuable .be it gold ,silver,diamond,democracy,oil,human rights etc.
meme ,peace belongs to no one .be who you want to be and let others be who they wish to be .every one is free to propagate his/her ideas but that doesn't mean we should lie about each other and play on each others emotion.beacuse that will only create unrest and unnecessary accusations and counter accussations.live and let live.
the media is only creating jobs and defending there interest.the writers as well ,how many subjects can they write about ? yet they feel that oh this will cause offense and outrage let me take that rought .why do the west accept most offense cause to others ?,because the offense is not directed at them and there system.those writers,journalist are part of the western establisment ,so it is natural for them to aggree with the writers point of view.we all stand by our cultures and systems ,that is what we know . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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concort
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 13:40:10
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Turk, Kobo, Mbay, Santanfara and Madiba-my salam to you. May Allah reward you all for your efforts in defending our deen. As for Kayjatta and his cohorts (his sympartizers)who are bent in spreading their agendas by attacking our dear Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W) and his ummah (Muslim brothers and sisters, may Allah have mercy on your souls and guide you to the straight path.
Islam is our religion and the more the Kafirs attack our deen, the stronger our faith grow. We have uttermost respect for all of the other religions on earth. You don't hear us talk about how the Priests have been molesting young boys in the U.S, nor do we hear the Imam of Mecca disparage on the other religions like Pop Bernadith did. For you is your way and for me is Islam. Can we live in peace? |
As Salamu Alaikum Waramatullah Wabarakatu |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 14:28:20
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Some of them even don't really know whats is Islam. them just get with their senseless mind and jonis the group of Robert Redeker & Co.
some may have negatives pastance like having bad memories/conflicts in childhood or with boy/girl friends as well as profitable in anyway etc.
but is it any excuse for whole Islam? nonsense !
from begins to now we Muslims has never falls in an nation to force them in to Islam as some of your view less are quoting, but a self defence. We reacting only through their heartless hating toward us and now they are calling us with our Religion Rudy and heartless,
Even those your are calling a terrorist, have they terrorises you before ? the fact is that you and those so called a terrorist mixing your worldly politics with religions.
Before you digs a holy you most aim for what you are digging,
Why are you searching some thing which you are really looking for while it is in your hand? are you interested why that all is happening? No because of you(both sides) personally/political advantages!
Hypocrites with their pharisee, will try perennially hard to sidles between us but they will not get through, We a wall of concrete without an access for Satan because Allah has His right hand on us, unlike you with a devil sense which will vanished away while he has done his job of evil and try get another one.
(evils, the followers of Satan can never be satisfied even if you gives them your heart. Mohammad. saw)
So please STOP your maturityless estimation toward us
and try know what is the verity!
Nice day to all.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 17:37:30
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Mbay, please be assured that this article is not my opinion; i just forwarded it just like I forwarded another article (called Race remarks)at the same time, and just like others have forwarded other articles. I agree you may not like the article, but that should not be grounds to attack me for it. We have to understand that in our perpetual search for information and truth, we do not only need to hear information that is favorable to us; but we also need to hear that is adverse or damaging to us. And when we receive information that is adverse or damaging to our interest, we do not have to rage or throw a bomb, but we need to intelligently assess the information and if necessary react to it in a productive intelligent way in order to convince and persuade others about the inaccuracy of the damaging information.
The response I have seen so far is absolute intolerance to dissenting opinion not just towards this article, but also to the person who put it on this forum. I have noticed that Mbay, Kobo and many others would rather have this information hidden under the rug than confront it calmly and intelligently.
We are hoping to build a nation, the Gambia on soild foundations of freedom and democracy, therefore any exhibition of contempt or antagonism to free speech is an incredibly wrong signal.
This is a classic case of "leave the ball and kill the man"; but I do not play soccer now-a-days.
"I have noticed that Mbay, Kobo and many others would rather have this information hidden under the rug than confront it calmly and intelligently.
We are hoping to build a nation, the Gambia on soild foundations of freedom and democracy, therefore any exhibition of contempt or antagonism to free speech is an incredibly wrong signal.
This is a classic case of "leave the ball and kill the man"; but I do not play soccer now-a-days."
Kay be rest assured that you will get the answers you are seekling from me personally. You don't realsised that all commentaries are PROVOCATIVE, FILTHY AND INSULT TO MY RELIGION (ISLAM!).
Please answer simple direct questions about your religion, whether you belief in God and What religion does the west belief? Am not at war but debate and exchanges of knowledge.
I told you that you will be educated further from this topic and for benefit of the audience! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 20:19:00
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Kobo, you are asking personal questions that have nothing to do with the article in discussion. If you do not know anything with regards to responding to the article (other than attacking individuals)please keep quiet and keep your peace.
Thank you! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 20:26:35
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"...again if some one is to write a letter to you insulting and making unfounded alegations against your mother ,would you pass that on as well to be debated ? i hope not."
Santafara did you ask me this question above?
Here is my answer, my mother? No, but if it is your mother I will put that on the internet so you can read it and have a chance to respond to it!
Thank you. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2007 : 20:38:53
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The common provocative act is questioning islam's peacefullness. People do not talk about jewish terrorism, or ateist/secular terrorism (most communist, socialist terrorist groups), christian terrorism, hindu terrorism. For example, white christian movement target blacks.
Or how come when palestinians fight for their country, it is about islamic terrorism. Palestine movement has started as socialist organization. It has very similar history with the IRA. But we do not have any reference as irish are being not peacefull, or their religion is violant.
Most important. When we talk about the unity from Trinidad to China. People got offended. What is wrong with unity? The last sermon of the Prophet-peace be upon him- is known as Khutbatul Wada'
..............All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore, do injustice to yourselves...................
here is the full text
O People,
Lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.
O People,
Just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest); therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity.
Allah has Judged that there shall be no usury (interest) and that all interest due to Abbas Ibn Abd al Muttalib (the Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived.
Beware of Satan for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People,
It is true that you have certain rights in regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives, only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
O People,
Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.
Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People,
No prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly.
Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 23 Oct 2007 20:44:38 |
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sisay
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Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 08:43:21
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Brethren, please don't waste your energy taking offence to DVDs like the one in Kay's post. They speak about terrorism, not Islam. Islam in its true form is about goodness and progress. Go happily about your practice. Such videos and articles don't concern themselves with good Muslim practice.
However, Islam now comes in many flavours. It has been used as a political tool and as a reason to inflict bloody jihads all over the world, including on much of our African soil. That is not the true form or purpose of Islam. These terrorists are not ambassadors of Islam, they are misguided souls who are scapegoating others for their own suffering. They are blasphemers and hypocrites who are locked in a victim mentality and have been brainwashed, often due to a lack of proper education. They do not care about the slaughter and suffering of innocent civilians when they go about their bloodthirsty activities.
Islam needs some strong leaders openly speaking out against terrorism and asking Muslims to embrace the true spirit of their religion. Let's see more open demonstrations of Muslim tolerance and compassion, not just for fellow Muslims, but for all of humanity. And please don't tell me that Islam doesn't have money. There are Muslim groups in the West paying prison inmates a stipend if they convert to Islam. These people don't convert in order to become better people. They already have the criminal mindset and are easy targets for brainwashing into terrorism. There is a lot of money in Islam. Maybe not in Gambia, but collectively there is a lot of money that can be better redirected instead of funding hate and destruction. Speaking about these things does not at all put Islam in a bad light. |
Edited by - sisay on 24 Oct 2007 08:45:14 |
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jambo
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Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 10:40:43
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Turk, can I ask, why you live in Australia, is that freedom of choice, how nice for you. why did you choose that country out of all other that you can live in.
why did you choose GBP for your values.
May I add that it is very easy with 40000 per head GDP to be peaceful than 2000 per head GDP. this sentence depends where you live. 2000gbp in Gambia live very happy , no struggles. 40000 in GBP, you could struggle  .
I do not agree with the equation. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 11:14:45
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jambo
No you can't ask. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 11:56:59
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Sisay, we are all with you but some of them are not only after us with stupidity criticise but also with fully intention of their acceptable expression .
If some sent here in bantaba with such kind of DVD whom we know he cant stand with Islam and with some negative records toward Islam, then what should we thing abut he?. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 12:22:04
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Sisay, thanks for that great post! Only a knowledgeable person with a certain degree of sobriety can give such remarks.
Others that I will refer to as the proverbial 'mirango' (mandinka word for being unable to absorb anything) have no idea whatsoever. So in order to hide their shameful ignorance and fear, they always resort to attacking individual personalities instead of the subject of the discussion.
Their complete ignorance is clearly manifested in the writings they put on this board. I just would like them to respect me a little by atleast editing their writing so I can read and make some sense of it. I deserve something better than that... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 12:22:23
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mbay "If some sent here in bantaba with such kind of DVD whom we know he cant stand with Islam and with some negative records toward Islam, then what should we thing abut he?"
He is in a sad place and would like others to join him. the saying is
MISERY LIKES COMPANY, but I bet he lives a comfortable life |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2007 : 13:05:58
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| There are more than 1.5 billion muslims in the world. Even there are 15 Million terrorist around the world, it is still less than 1 percent. So why this 1 % of so significant. It is not. The enemies of islam and their house servants make it big deal with the PROVOCATION everyday. On the newspaper, on the board, on the immigration, on the political briefing. On cartoon. Even you label the prophet mohammed as a terrorist. Everytime I open tv. Every time this mr. yankee open his mouth. I am sick and tired of it. I am sick and tired for people telling me about islamic terrorism. Their number is not even significant. How come suddenly muslims are terrorist or violant. Our religion is more than 1400 years old. We were hero when we fight against communism. Last 20 years. Since the fall of communism, new enemy is being created. Eventually the ultimate objective is a brainwashing. The worst, some of us believe, like sisay, finally we are terrorist. We are bad people. Our faith is wrong. But for most, they will fail. You mr. yankee, you and your masters will fail. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 24 Oct 2007 13:23:33 |
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