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ylowe
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 Posted - 14 Mar 2006 : 07:47:10
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| I think you are a tribalist for saying that many wolof women are like that. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 15 Mar 2006 : 12:38:44
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Hi Jambo,
I still maintain my stand.You must share some blame Comon my if you are european,you must know the value of education even if he is 50 years old,the morney was meant 4 his education and not to buy even medicine much more ram 4 tobaski.
You see some people can't face it.Islam DOES NOT impose any hardship on anyone to cercrifise a ram even if you don't have it.the neighbours will always give them meat.(I stand to be corrected by real muslims if I am wrong).
Am sure if the person who gave the morney to you (with trust) knows it was given 4 ram instead,he/she will not be happy.
If you see the morney was given to you I think it was meant to help him onto the right part and not to lead him into his desire.Thats why here in Europe,parents are bound by law to send their chids to school.
Gambiabev,you are right my firend bamba was really wrong about wollof women and they deserve an apology.If anyone says that to his tribe,he will not like it.
"Do onto others as you would like others to do onto you"
Many wollof women are very pure and generous I have lived with them and I know them so well I don't agree with Bamba one bit.
We have to give respect to each other's tribe as a nation.
4 together we can make it happen.
Thank you all
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bamba
Sweden
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Posted - 15 Mar 2006 : 17:15:49
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Gambiabev,you are right my firend bamba was really wrong about wollof women and they deserve an apology.If anyone says that to his tribe,he will not like it.
"Do onto others as you would like others to do onto you"
Many wollof women are very pure and generous I have lived with them and I know them so well I don't agree with Bamba one bit.
We have to give respect to each other's tribe as a nation.
4 together we can make it happen.
Thank you all
Mankajang Janyanfara
Mankajang, who do I have to apologise to? I am criticizing some unaffordable behaviours of some members of my own tribe. Some of us are really out of tune. Some Gambians are still very subservient,it's pitiful. |
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brusubi
Netherlands
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 00:28:31
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Well I don,t know much about wollof women, my wife is a karoninka.
But I don,t believe it is a tribal thing.
The biggest reason of mis using money is a lack of education, everytime when I am in Gambia I am surprised to see that most people can not calculate and have no clue about how much money they have or how to count money. we in Europe are thought the value of money and how to count it at very young age, in Gambia most women don,t know it, if they have a couple of hundred dalasis they think they are rich and can buy anything they like because they don,t know how to make a spending budget or how to calculate how much they have. How can they know? when they were young in a lot of communities there was hardly any money going around so how can they know how to use it?
Another thing my wife teached me is that keeping money and saving money is a bad thing that is only done by greedy people who don,t believe in god. She always tells me that you have to spend all your money imediately, the more you spend the higher is your faith in god and the more he will reward you with more money.
So all these factors make it not wise to just give money to a needy family because the risk that the family will spend it on something that you consider to be unusefull is too big.better help them directly
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 02:20:17
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Bamba
You say the name Mboob sounds Wolof...... Then you go on to make an outrageous generalisation of Wolof women. If I had done that as a white person I would have been accused of racism!!! I have had a very hard time on bantaba for stereotyping...... yet noone passes comment on yours.
Reading all your postings you seem to have a problem with women.
Bev,
i was scared when i read that comment stereotyping wolof women. i think that person should have withdrawn that comment. this is the problem, we all try to fight racism, but this is racism in another another form. i really agree with you that if you had said this as a white person, everyone would have cursed you for it. THANKS FOR POINTING It OUT. |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 04:08:41
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Originally posted by BornAfrican
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Bamba
You say the name Mboob sounds Wolof...... Then you go on to make an outrageous generalisation of Wolof women. If I had done that as a white person I would have been accused of racism!!! I have had a very hard time on bantaba for stereotyping...... yet noone passes comment on yours.
Reading all your postings you seem to have a problem with women.
Bev,
i was scared when i read that comment stereotyping wolof women. i think that person should have withdrawn that comment. this is the problem, we all try to fight racism, but this is racism in another another form. i really agree with you that if you had said this as a white person, everyone would have cursed you for it. THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT.
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 12:40:55
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Originally posted by brusubi
The biggest reason of mis using money is a lack of education, everytime when I am in Gambia I am surprised to see that most people can not calculate and have no clue about how much money they have or how to count money.
This statement somehow upsets me. Are you trying to declare most Gambians as dumb, a big bunch of bimboīs?
I donīt think it takes an Einstein to count some money.
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 13:56:08
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| Anything can be seen and understood differently, but I think Brusubi meant their concept of money. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 15:33:29
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Iīm sorry but when one says that Most Gambians can not calculate or are pretty much clueless in how to handle money, that to me is a very strong generalisation which only make Gambians look stupid.
Itīs nothing new that most women, black or white, like to spend money on themselves! Many of us have large holes in our pockets when it comes to shopping clothes, shoes, perfume, jewellery, handbags, make up and stuff that we need.
Very few women want cheap looking stuff from the 1 dollar store...(although there may be some goofy western exceptions...)
I donīt see whatīs wrong with that.
And I would also say it has a lot to do with Gambian culture and tradition as well, where gold and beautiful fabrics play a big role in the society. |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:05:40
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| The competitions amongst Gambian women in sweden, mostly wolofs and assimilated wolofs, are heart-breaking. They compete over who has the largest, most expensine gold collections; the most expensive furniture set at home; the most expensive bed, etc,etc. Such compititons have broken many Gambian marriages uphere. Sadly, some of the competitors come from very poor backgrounds at home. |
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Babylon
Sweden
691 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:26:36
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But many people compete like that here in the west, whoīs got the best job, nicest house, garden, car etc.
It can seem crazy but I think Greed is simply a part of human nature, not one race, tribe or how well you can count your money.
There are doctors who canīt keep track on their money, so it has little to do with education.
Greed is not good when it affects other people in a negative way.
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twinkly
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:55:48
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Another thought babylon,
maybe we in the West CAN afford many more things, we don't live day by day.If I have money, I see things different, if we don't have much, I would never go and insist on buying useless things, I'd rather make sure I have enough food at home.
It is our mentality aswell.We are independent, can easily earn our own money, and most of all, we don't want to depend on a man to buy everything for us. - In Gambian culture, it is still normal for a man to have to provide for his woman, so the women have a different attitude towards money.
The calculating thing....hmmm
I noticed this aswell, the first time I went there.But I never thought bad of anybody, because just like here, some people are good at maths, some aren't. I simply calculate myself, and if they give me wrong change, I tell them.
But I have also noticed that many CAN count very well, but try to give you a higher price, you might not noticeAfter all, we toubabs are being tried, wherever possible, when it comes to prices |
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bamba
Sweden
401 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 16:57:33
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| Babylon, is such a comparision not far-fetched---the rich west and poverty stricken black Africa? |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 21:07:27
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Am sorry Khadimul rasul Bamba..But despite being wollof doesnt mean you shoul say what you've said.Morals we are both tought back home don't allow such languages you know that as well as I do.This was the main reason why when Gambiabev says certain things we feel it to our veins when that means nothing in her culture but we all the same don't mind that as we talk about Gambia every one keep reminding her of the saying " when you go to Rome,do as Romans do"
Wollof women are very pure that they don't deserve that coment from any one for that matter much more the the one they breastfed and took care of.I would stand for them any where 4 I had stayed with them despite am not wollof but being an African is enough.I will not let anyone say unwarranted things about our African women.They are our pride 4 men are the cause of all the problems in Africa....
Com on my bro say sorry. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 21:26:43
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Jayanfara
Are you sure men are the problem in Africa. There is a saying that beside every succesful man there is a woman by his side. What about the reverse? |
When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. |
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