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kobo
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 Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 16:29:42
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Originally posted by Santanfara
kobo ,truely am hard press with time .your quotes where things i explain concerning the mode of language some contributors refer to udp.if your are able to comprehend that fine if not am sorry for now .i may explain in detail later.
Sorry!  Am fine with your opinions but there is no need to explain in detail later or substantiate them.However I would consider them baseless threads (i.e. lack of merit & evidence) through this topic amongst these ALLEGATIONS /DEDUCED! What kind of ASSUMPTIONS / DEDUCTION ("Nonetheless and contrary to the impression the Ayatollah's disciples would want to give, few significant concessions can be deduced from this debate namely;- ") For example, who said that 1) Halifa is the most educated, most honest, most patriotic,, the best politician (POINT OF CORRECTION: In my opinion he is one of the BEST), most respected and most deserving Gambian inter alia?
Refer to following QUOTES to equate them with your line of thoughts and lack of merit on them:-
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Kayjatta, Once again thanks for coming back. Unfortunately this time around, you have raised no issue worth my response as the bloke does not worth by anger. It is his fanatical disciples who are a cause of concern due to the phenomenial nuisance they have generated around this man. Once again I am vindicated when I said the Ayatollah's arguments don't normally stand the test of objective scrutuny. They are diabolically crude and therefore cannot be allowed to fly across the face of common sense. Nonetheless and contrary to the impression the Ayatollah's disciples would want to give, few significant concessions can be deduced from this debate namely;-
1. Halifa is not the most educated Gambian
2. Halifa is not the most honest Gambian
3. Halifa is not the most patrotic Gambian
4. Halifa is not the best Gambian politician
5. Halifa is not the most respected Gambian
6. Halifa is not the most deserving Gambian
7. What ever description/group you choose to place Halifa, he is just a number in that group
Can I also put to you that my dwelling on the statement he made to 'the point newspaper' is typically specific. Please be informed that I have nothing against the PDOIS entity. The fact that some people here are trying to keep Halifa's personality out of range from the radar shows that he is and has been a political liability on PDOIS.
Thanks for your time. Bye
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kobo
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 23:10:57
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brother Kobo,
But I belief you don't mean the above topic explains in anyway who Halifa Sallah is?Rather the earlier one by Brother Nyari.
What readers want to know from those who knew the man is WHO IS HALIFA SALLAH? People should try and stop the castigation and sent in their knowledge about what they know about the man rather than the opposite.This as well is true of any public figue includding Jammeh,Darboe,Hamat,Waa, Sidia, Isatou Njie ect ect.People who know this people well should try and tell us what they know about them so the forum can be interesting. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 23:14:43
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Follow his interviews and opinions from the horses mouth and judge him on his principles, advocacy, ploitical visions & other leadership potentials. Why do you HATE TO HEAR FROM HIM? "Follow the MESSAGE and stop shooting at the MESSENGER!"
We are dealing with POLITICAL ISSUES AND GOOD PROGRAMMES TO FORWARD THE MOTHERLAND BUT NOT CASTIGATING EACH OTHER; BECAUSE WE ARE COMRADES IN OUR STRUGGLES TO IMPROVE THE STATUS QUO TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD!
No hard feelings! "TOGETHER WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL!" |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 00:03:09
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Brother KOBO or should I again fondly call you chaalo?
I never hate to hear from Halifa.He is a man I very well respect and he knows me personally.I speak to him every now and then.
Please stop and please stop.How ever you may love someone, allow his critics to express their opinion about him then, you might know the other side of your man.You see I have nothing to tell you apart from the fact that your actions speaks volume.
Read your postings about Darboe.Then you would realise that others have the same kind of views about your man.
Every dog wags its tail when it sees the master.
I like and respect Halifa so much so you are definately wrong to assume that I hate to hear from him.
Peace. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 00:21:04
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Bring out any word or comment I made against Darboe and challenge me on them directly please? Don't you trust that Darboe/ UDP benefited more from myself & familys' votes since UDP existed than Halfa & Co / P.D.O.I.S? Lets stop UNDERMINING OUR EFFORTS FOR CHANGE please?
Thats weak arguments to warrant or justify your case for the need to counter them against Halifa? Thats FOUL PLAY AND VERY UNFAIR AGAINST HALIFA!
Deal with me directly and BE FAIR, OBJECTIVE & REASONABLE WITH HALIFA's OPINIONS, AS AN INTELLECTUAL & HIS ROLES UNDER GAMBIAN POLITICS, SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, AS PUBLIC FIGURE AND A HUMBLE CITIZEN!
Finally on the NATIONAL AGENDAS & DEBATES we should not be childish, petty, arrogant or foolish but project the BIGGER PICTURE AT STAKE AS SENSIBLE/SOBER/INTELLIGENT/LOGICAL/REASONABLE AS WE CAN(i.e UNDERSTAND THE REALITIES & ISSUES) AND MATURE (i.e. POLITICALLY SOUND TO ADDRESS OR TACKLE THEM AND AS INTELLIGENT PERSONS') TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND! |
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brikama
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 01:57:22
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This is what I think of Halipha and PDOIS.
I am a long time supporter of PDOIS. I think the party proposes the best solutions to our common problems as Gambians. The party is also endowed with the best political and social minds in the Gambia, who are not only knowledgeable, but time and time again, they have unequivocally demonstrated honesty, bravery, and sincerity about their undaunted love for the Gambia. Since the party came into being in the 1980s, it has provided undiluted enlightenment to countless Gambians. I remember while in High School in the early 1990s, we used to read PDOIS pamphlets, the FOROYAA newspaper and listened to PDOIS audio cassettes. Personally, I gained a lot of knowledge from them. Due to the papers rigorous coverage of political and social issues, FOROYAA newspaper was one time banned from covering Sir Dawda’s statehouse. Up till today, the FOROYAA newspaper provides the most sophisticated political and social education to Gambians. Their news stories are balanced, credible, and educative. FOROYAA’s editorial board which includes Sidia Jatta, Halipha Sallah, Sam Sarr, provide the best analysis of happenings in the Gambia and credible opinions backed with facts. After the election seasons, when most Gambian opposition politicians retire into the shadows, the leadership of PDOIS is constantly challenging the government on diverse issues affecting Gambian lives through their editorial.
Furthermore, PDOIS has established training centers, people centers, development centers around the country where civic education and services are offered to Gambians. For example, in wuli and Serekunda, the PDOIS has embarked on series of community development programs that are geared towards sustainable poverty alleviation among participants. The party offers these and many other development programs with very meager resources. In most of cases, the party’s leadership digs into their own personal assets to finance some of the programs. This is amazing. They refused to be bullied by none. They have demonstrated their desire to stand their ground no matter how much danger they maybe faced with.
I remember on July 26th, 1992, the FOROYAA newspaper published a very strong editorial about the military coup where they quoted Thomas Sankara referring to military leaders lacking political education as political beasts. I also remember when the Junta banned all political parties and organs of all political parties. At this time, FORAYAA was an organ of the PDOIS political party; the phrase was boldly written on the front page of the newspaper. Therefore the degree effectively banned the publication of FOROYAA news paper. PDOIS leadership was faced with a choice either to obey or disobey the military degree. Obeying the degree was equal to surrendering their rights to the young military junta, which was determined to create a culture of silence and fear among the population. By disobeying the military degree the editorial board could be arrested, detained, or even killed. It was a difficult choice to make.
Notwithstanding the danger, the PDOIS leadership decided to violate the degree and published the FOROYAA newspaper. Most interesting of all, instead of regular newspaper seller carrying the publication, it was the editorial board members themselves who sold the paper on that day. Both Halipha and Sidia sold the newspaper to the statehouse guards at the statehouse gate. As they expected and readied for, they were arrested and charge with violating a military degree. At their trial, they chose not to hire the service of a lawyer; they represented themselves at the hearings and used their speeches to enlighten Gambians about their rights and never to give them up, even for the most ferocious military ruler. At the end, the judge found them not guilty of any offense and later on the phrase “organ of PDOIS” was removed from the front paper of FOROYAA. These guys are great! Someone tell me, how many Gambian politicians have taken such a difficult stand?
One must not forget that these times were trying times in a very volatile situation. The National Assembly was dissolved without complain from any of the members. All the Parliamentarians bored down to the degree and disregarded the powers given to them by their constituents. Even Waa Juwara, who was a Member of Parliament at the time of the coup and later jailed and tortured by tugs, did not dare to challenge the dissolution of Parliament, he quietly went home. Sheriff Dibba left the country and went on vacation in England. Everyone was either quite or aiding and abating the Junta. They all betrayed the mandate given to them by the Gambian people. Only PDOIS leadership refused to be intimidated and stood their ground throughout these trying moments.
No other political party in the Gambia is equipped with such caliber of innovative, dedicative, personalities at their helms. For Example, the APRC is a one man show, the UDP and NRP lacks a clear vision. Personally, I don’t know how the UDP planned to improve the living condition of Gambians. In the manifesto, the party’s vision was not clearly stated and specific goals and objectives are not measurable. If my memory serves me well, during the last presidential election the UDP leadership claimed to have arranged with a Western business organization that would buy groundnut at higher prices. The NRP is the same.
Therefore, to answer who Halifa is, I would say look at the records of PDOIS, halifa’s own writings, speeches to understand his philosophy. I strongly believe that Halipha Sallah is among the very bests, in terms of his knowledge, dedication, bravery, and humility. This man has given up everything for the Gambia. Halipha and Sedia were twice offered ministerial positions my Jammeh and in each of the cases they refused the offers. These guys are well educated with potential of getting high-paying jobs which comes with flamboyancy. But they chose to stay in the Gambia and help improve the living condition of the people.
BRIKAMA CARPARK
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 08:37:53
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Amin!!! Brikama. The record speaks for itself. Humans are known to be the most sturborn creatures and intellectual dishonesty with bianess is what contineous to set those who know and refuse to accept the difference between day and night.
You have portrayed members of PDOIS in a way that even their enemies deep down would agree with your characterization of these humble human beings.
Only in PDOIS that you can find people who lose elections and gets back to work in different dimensions to impact peoples's lives. As Halifa said, political representation is not a career but a mandate given by the people. When you have people who belief in such philosophy they don't sit down and wait for another five years of election.
Only in PDOIS that you find political representatives putting away half of their salaries for local projects. This is unheard off in African politics...
Halifa's role in Africa and around the world exemplifies him as one of a few intellectual resources Gambia would ever have. Off course Sedia Jatta, and Sam Sarr including one of the bravest women in the history of African Politics Amie Sillah Sarr would not be realized until they are history.
When Dr. King stood for righteousness and fought for equal social justice for the entire human race, few understood his message and many depiched him as aggresive. Today the legacy of Dr. Mathew Lurther King Jr. is far greater than any American President ever.
It is in the same vein that I see the social role these folks from PDOIS are playing. This is beyond party politics, it is about the facts and history will be the judge. Other nations will use the talent and resources they see in these folks and in turn they will look at Gambia as what an unfortunate nation for not utilizing the God given vision in these folks.
Thanks for capturing the record for generations.... The truth shall forever prevail... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 11:07:49
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Say it LOUD!:The truth shall forever prevail...
Tribute to SINCERE PATRIOTIC GAMBIANS for ("honesty is the best policy!"); here we go to LESSON 1 - A,B,C of Gambian politics for CLASSROOM 1 and revising OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM THEMES!
The Gambia National Anthem reads:-
For The Gambia Our Homeland!
We Strive & Work and Pray!
That All May Live in Unity! Freedom! & Peace Each Day!
An Join Our Diverse People Towards The Common Good!...
Let Justice Guide Our Actions!...
To The Gambia Ever True! |
Edited by - kobo on 26 Oct 2007 13:19:07 |
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brikama
USA
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 06:00:10
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Foroyaa Newspaper Burning Issue
Issue No. 126/2007, 26 – 28 October 2007
Editorial
DETERIORATION OF PUBLIC SERVICE INCENTIVES
THE PRESIDENT SHOULD CONSIDER THE INTRODUCTION OF TWO TERM LIMIT
The president claims to be shocked by the dilapidated state of government offices. He should also visit the classes and toilets of the long established schools like Serrekunda Lower Basic School .
Mr. President, this is the country the APRC has built for the past 13 years. The country has no admirable past and no admirable present. It deserves an admirable future which only a sovereign people can bring; a sovereign people who no longer allows leaders or parties to own them but would take ownership of leaders and parties on the basis of the liberty and prosperity they can give guarantee to, to enlarge or be denied even a second mandate.
Foroyaa has been shouting from roof tops that there is no vibrant private or public sector in this country. There is just pomp and privileges propagated by a television which focuses on fanfare and some achievements while downplaying the poverty of the people, that is, the poor civil servants, farmers, workers and the army of the unemployed.
Foroyaa has raised alarm regarding the remuneration and low level of absorptive capacity of the private and public sectors in terms of employment.
For example, employment in the public sector remained at about 15,000 employees throughout the 1990s.
It has not grown much in the 2000s.
It is also indicated that the public sector is the main employer. One can therefore clearly see that Gambia is a poor underdeveloped country. The problem of the country is not simply one of management. Removing one form of government to replace it with another without overhauling production systems and methods of administration will do nothing to eradicate the suffering of the people. What is needed now is not to follow personalities but to follow programmes. The APRC has already shown what it can do in 13 years. It has only been able to replace a dilapidated and shrinking public service heading towards privatisation and retrenchment of workers with another dilapidated and shrinking public service heading towards privatisation and retrenchment of workers. The battle between the past, present and the future shall be determined by the nature of the programmes that parties intend to implement to enlarge liberty, and prosperity.
Foroyaa is not just out to publish news. It is out to enlighten and liberate the people. It is not one of your umpire newspapers engaged in umpire journalism to promote good governance, enlighten and entertain. It is committed to the establishment of a country where the sovereignty of the people becomes supreme.
In this coming year, Foroyaa will engage the APRC regime in every aspect of national life. Just as we have done with the dalasi, we shall analyse every aspect of Gambian society to give an alternative way forward.
We also call on the readers to challenge all those who wish to change this country to do the same. They must not only read but must spread what they are reading otherwise people who cannot read may not know who are genuinely determined to work for their liberation.
Take the case of the detainees. Foroyaa is the only institution in the Gambia which followed the movement of detainees and reported its findings without fear or favour affection or ill will. However, many pick up these reports from Foroyaa and spread them like wild fire without referring to their source because of their desire to suppress Foroyaa’s role as a consistent and fearless defender of justice. Foroyaa has made it very clear that in a developing country without a strong private or public sector which can generate employment, the informal sector usually constitutes the bulwark for income generation. Foroyaa had indicated that under such circumstances policy makers cannot be rigid about public and private enterprise development but must give support to every productive venture which can have multiplying effect in income generation and spreading to address the problems of poverty. We have shown how the public sector should be managed to ensure growth in investment, earnings and employment. We have also shown how the banks should be linked to the productive base of the private sector to expand production. We have shown how the informal sector could be strengthened through the association of small scale enterprises to form cooperatives which is the basis of the whole housing industry in most European countries, especially Ireland where the level of deprivation during the earlier days was the highest. Foroyaa has analysed issues like the dalasi to throw clarity on the subject. This goes for all issues of national life. Yet some people will quote these things and just mention casually that they came from a local paper in order to hide the truth to their readers so as to find it easier to accuse the Foroyaa editors later to be barren of ideas or is advocating for ideals that are not grounded in reality. Those who are reading Foroyaa and are ready to be part of the solution should maintain archives of what they read and post it to any media establishment which aims to distort what we have been saying to people.
The people should no longer accept labelling, branding or stigmatising of personalities or newspapers. For example, before Foroyaa started publication, many people in high offices did not know what a constitution was. It is Foroyaa which took the 1970 constitution from the shelves collecting dust and tried to make it known to the people. Those behind Foroyaa have always refused to support or participate in government establishment by unconstitutional means, yet there are people who try to prejudice the minds of the people to think that others are the genuine advocates of democracy.
In the coming years therefore, the real democrats who advocate for the total sovereignty of the people will be separated from the formal democrats who establish instruments, institutions and structures but do nothing to make knowledge a property of the people so that they become so empowered that no leader will dear appear before them like a demigod. It is then and only then that society will give its back at impunity, oligarchies and autocracies.
The battle for transparency, accountability, clarity and assertion of sovereignty of the people is taking a new dimension.Even President Jammeh could not avoid exposing the inadequacies of his administration. The future of our country does not lie in the stars or horoscopes to reveal. The future lies in the brains and hands of the sovereign people. Our children will inherit the type of society we dare to build with our minds and hands. Those with negative thinking will always have nothing to contribute but contempt. Those with positive thinking will always find means of strengthening the people to become their own liberators.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 12:25:23
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www.gainako.com
the halifa sallah interview posted by gainako is too exposive to my humble liking.i am not critising halifa himself here but the editor of foroyaa or gainako.the address of events attended by halifa and the one he is shedule to attend in england shouldn't feature on the news papers.
that is my critism.i hope gainako or foroyya can explain why they included private mails between halifa and his hosts.
is some one trying to over expose halifa at the expense of petty popularity ? halifa is galant individual doesn't require cheap methods to indicate his prominence. i am deeply unhappy about the addresses and telephone numbers.i await some form of response. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara
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Posted - 28 Oct 2007 : 08:54:55
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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dbaldeh
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Posted - 30 Oct 2007 : 00:51:38
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Originally posted by Santanfara
stil no comment from gainako editors.
Santafara, what do you want from Gainako? We published an interview verbatim in which Halifa included correspondence from his invitors to validate what he was saying, and you have a problem with that?
Halifa choose to provide those correspondence and they are private to him and his host. Why not send an email to Halifa and ask him why he chooses to publish those.
We simply published the interview as is. Sometimes we get caught up into wanting to criticise things that are irrelevant. Criticising Halifa those not make anyone smarter than they are.
Tell us exactly what you want from Gainako and we will provide it if we can. I hope you understand...
Thanks
Baldeh |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kobo
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