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dbaldeh
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 Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 07:19:18
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sankalanka, I admire your boldness to approach the debate with evidence and not mere rhetoric.
The document speaks for itself and this is what distinguishes PDOIS from all other Parties in the Gambia. I could careless whether they win or not, but a dignified and well informed people have to have a principle. For them, no matter how long the fight takes, compromising principle for power is out of the question.
Thanks for the extract. Only those who live in denial will disagree with the political maturity of the statement provided.
Guess what though, that is not the kind of Democratic Gambia other opponents want. They dream to continue the Mansa syndrome where the poor will always worship the leaders. This is why Gambia is sinking day by day. Ignorance and political greed is a mental disease.
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 11:14:47
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Originally posted by kobo
You have exposed your weaknesses, hatred,arrogance and sarcastic attitude since this topic started. You think that we are moved by your poor performance in this debate. Stay put until we engage you on U.D.P and its leadership. Do you think that Gambian politics is all about Nyaring's opinions We have general consensus (ON THOSE ACTIVE ON THIS DEBATE!), public opinion and a good audience (GAMBIANS WHO KNEW THE COUNTRY VERY WELL!) in this forum.
C.u.later!
kobo ,i completely disaggree with your personal attack on mr nyari .he is not the centre of our scrutine .if you disaggree with his opinion concerning the person of halifa ,counter his comments with more proves as to what evidence you have supporting your claims .you cannot make this a topic about mr nyari or any one who disaggree with halifa or pdois.
also i completely disaggaree with dbaldeh comment of mansa sydrome .this are base on assupmtion on the person of nyari .
i thought this topic wouldn't take similar route every other topic those when halifa or pdois is being debated.
not every one will aggree with there holy message ,you cannot then accuse those people of some superior tribalism .remember ,halifa became the party leader just two elections ago ,so the issue is not about his tribe ,lets put that aside .
if nyari dislike halifa ,he is entitle to air out his heart content .halifa is a central figure in gambian politics ,he vye for public office ,he can be strutinise. i just recieve a letter from a gambian politicain accussing many gambian forums of stifling any voice distateful to the ideas of pdois ,lets stop that debating method .
the methdology of sankalanka is impressive. bring on the facts we can feed on .
mr nyari may not change his mind concerning halifa but if facts are put infront of him ,who knows .
who can we say is clean from bigotry in our society ? i hope we can just keep to the theme .
the examination of the man halifa has produce lot of positive inputs .those seating on the fense will be reading with keen interest but if pdois supporters don't want to hear any negative comments about halifa then ,what difference would it make wasting precious time on the topic ? halifa himself would want the opinipon of wider gambia on him ,not just the usual praises and acknowledgement of his intellectual capabilities and sacrifices.
man is just a man .
did we ask nyari whether he actually support udp ? lets not put words in his mouth .
the udp has been accuse from left ,right and centre of promoting tribal politics ,but is this statment true ?
this is the udp party structure :
SECRETARY GENRAL /PARTY LEADER -OUSANOU DARBOE (mandinka)
DEPUTY LEADER YAYA JALLOW (FULA)
PARTY ADMINISTRATOR EBOU MANNEH (BALANTA)
PARTY HUMAN RIGHTS ADVICER AND LEGAL SECRETARY MARIAM DENTON (WOLLOF)
PARTY CAMPAINGN MANAGER FEMI PETERS (AKU)
YOUTH PRESIDENT SINGLE NYASSI (JOLA)
FINANCIAL SECRATRY AMADOU TAAL (WOLLOF)
ETC.
if we take the structures to come to the conclusion that a party is tribal ,then to me udp is not tribal .
the person of mr darboe .he has one wolof wife and one aku .those that made him a tribalist human being ? i have a mandinka wife and i am a mandinka ,those that make a tribalist ? a fula man who marrys a fula woman ,can we call him a tribalist ?
i think we are leading a wrong part by throwing unfounded accussations .
sankalanka ,continue on the part you are taking ,believe me ,many are getting good exposure to pdois ,but any thing other than party policy and strategy ,it will fall foul .as kobo always says ,for the gambia our home land . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Galo Sowe
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 13:35:10
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| Ah Santanfara, you don’t seem to be a fair referee. You first express your disapproval of Kobo for being personal with Nyari because the topic is about Halifa and not Nyari and then turn around defending UDP as if the topic is now about UDP and Darboe. You need to be reminded that the topic is not about Darboe so why bring him in? |
"Soldiers are experts at camouflage but that is on the battle field not the political one, were transparency is the watch word" Kaaniba |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 13:44:32
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WELCOME BACK .it might be better for you to read what happen for past few days before making a wrong analysis .the topic is about potential leadership contenders including darboe,hamat and halifa .we as mere debaters aren't the centre of attention here .
our country is held to ranson by a thug ,but to be better prepared for good replacement ,we have to analyse those vying for leadership role . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Galo Sowe
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 13:56:05
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I have been following the topic all along. The subject title is "Who is Halifa Sallah?" We look forward to similar topics on Darboe, Hamat, Waa and others who want to lead our the country. You are the Referee so don't change the goal post. |
"Soldiers are experts at camouflage but that is on the battle field not the political one, were transparency is the watch word" Kaaniba |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 14:57:43
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| THANKS galo ,i am not the referee ,if any one should be may be it is the moderator or administrator of bantaba.i am just another contributor .the topic needn't be split up we can extend it further .from the begining it has been clear that ,our potential leadership need scrutine. yahya to me is a spent force .he is finished .his empire is crumbling .so we have to take urgent action in discussing vital issues .me ,you ,kobo,nyari are not the issue here . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Sep 2007 : 06:29:28
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Santangfara! Many wrongs cannot make one right as I Will react to your comments later. However refer back to review overall the threads on this topic and take note of the following:-
1) That medicine (ARROGANCE) is not for you to digest. However take a note book and record all Nyaring's direct personal attacks, cheap and baseless comments against Halifa or P.D.O.IS/N.A.D.D since this topic started. Its not about stifling any voice distateful to the ideas of pdois , as you stated that "lets stop that debating method? but any thing other than party policy and strategy, it will fall foul, as kobo always says ,for the gambia our home land ." Is that fair in your opinion?
2) You are the only one who raised allegations against Halifa Sallah or his role on issues and concerns of tribalism in Gambian politics. Can you refer us on this topic to substantiate these statements from you and allegations made by others on this topic that U.D.P is tribalist:-
a. "halifa became the party leader just two elections ago ,so the issue is not about his tribe ,lets put that aside ."
b. "the udp has been accuse from left ,right and centre of promoting tribal politics ,but is this statment true ?"
c. "if we take the structures to come to the conclusion that a party is tribal ,then to me udp is not tribal " |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 27 Sep 2007 : 18:57:03
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| in the spirit on good and fair debate ,i await your reaction.i am busy as well for this days but i shall extend my point of view later.for the our gambia that belong to no single tribe or ethinic group . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2007 : 01:50:02
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1) quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
in the spirit on good and fair debate ,i await your reaction.i am busy as well for this days but i shall extend my point of view later.for the our gambia that belong to no single tribe or ethinic group .
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Originally posted by Santanfara
the topic on halifa seems to reach a dead end for now ,so lets refresh our energy on 'who is ousianou darboe '?
On point 2)quoted I tend to disagree that topic seems toi reach DEAD END! For point 1) quoted lets resume back to the pending issues that needs to be addressed as follows (REPEATED AGAIN FOR YOUR ATTENTION!)
Posted - 27 Sep 2007 : 06:29:28
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Santangfara! Many wrongs cannot make one right as I Will react to your comments later. However refer back to review overall the threads on this topic and take note of the following:-
1) That medicine (ARROGANCE) is not for you to digest. However take a note book and record all Nyaring's direct personal attacks, cheap and baseless comments against Halifa or P.D.O.IS/N.A.D.D since this topic started. Its not about stifling any voice distateful to the ideas of pdois , as you stated that "lets stop that debating method? but any thing other than party policy and strategy, it will fall foul, as kobo always says ,for the gambia our home land ." Is that fair in your opinion?
2) You (Santanfara) are the only one who raised allegations against Halifa Sallah as tribalist or his role on issues that concerns tribalism in Gambian politics. Can you refer us on this topic to substantiate these statements QUOTED from you and allegations made by others on this topic that U.D.P is tribalist:-
a. "halifa became the party leader just two elections ago ,so the issue is not about his tribe ,lets put that aside ." Anyway thats alright but on UDP I wonder where the following (b) & (c) came from under this topic
b. "the udp has been accuse from left ,right and centre of promoting tribal politics ,but is this statment true ?"
c. "if we take the structures to come to the conclusion that a party is tribal ,then to me udp is not tribal "
3) Let me highlight few QUOTES on certain CHEAP REMARKS/ DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS /HATRED & EGOE demonstrated to substantiate my point of ARROGANCE under 1) above.
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Originally posted by toubab1020
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Who is Halifa Sallah?
Santanfara, thanks for asking this question. My answer is simply this: he is an erratic and arrogant idealist who spends every day of his life fantasising ideas, ideas that no one is ever ready to buy because they never stand the test of objective scrutuny owing to their massive defects. I hope this helps
Thanks
[/quote posted by Toubab]
"You don't like him then!"
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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Originally posted by toubab1020
You don't like him then!
Well, there is nothing to like or hate about him. He is just not worth either of them.
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[quote]Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
When I was at High School, I used to be the PRO for several clubs including the Liberal Arts Society, and one of my task used to be organising educative events like symposium. I have always make sure that HALIFA is not invited to any of them and I have always prevailed. He is too pompous, corny and arrogant. No one can debate with him because he always want it his way. That is certainly not an interllectual virtue. It is called arrogance.
I leave you with this quote 'If you think you knowledge all, then you don't know anything'
Thanks
4)Finally we are yet to receive P.D.O.I.S manifesto and any constitution that governs the party. Attention admin@gambia.dk
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 08:10:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
in the spirit on good and fair debate ,i await your reaction.i am busy as well for this days but i shall extend my point of view later.for the our gambia that belong to no single tribe or ethinic group .
My compatriot Santanfara! Any further comments and reactions to previous post"in the spirit of good and fair debate" but not open display of ARROGANCE, EGOE, PERSONAL VENDETTA, DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS & OPEN HATRED
Can you refer us on this topic to substantiate these statements QUOTED from you and/or allegations made by others on this topic that U.D.P is tribalist:-
a. "i thought this topic wouldn't take similar route every other topic those when halifa or pdois is being debated. not every one will aggree with there holy message ,you cannot then accuse those people of some superior tribalism .remember ,halifa became the party leader just two elections ago ,so the issue is not about his tribe ,lets put that aside "
i) "you cannot then accuse those people of some superior tribalism ." WHO (are you referring to) accuse those people (and which people) of some superior tribalism on the threads through this topic so far? Please clarify or substantiate
ii) "halifa became the party leader just two elections ago ,so the issue is not about his tribe ,lets put that aside ." Anyway thats alright but on UDP I wonder where the following (b) & (c) came from under this topic
b. "the udp has been accuse from left ,right and centre of promoting tribal politics ,but is this statment true ?"
c. "if we take the structures to come to the conclusion that a party is tribal ,then to me udp is not tribal "
QUOTES FROM SATANFARA (YOUR-SELF!):
1)"the topic is about potential leadership contenders including darboe,hamat and halifa .we as mere debaters aren't the centre of attention here .
our country is held to ranson by a thug ,but to be better prepared for good replacement ,we have to analyse those vying for leadership role ."
2)"many are getting good exposure to pdois ,but any thing other than PARTY POLICY AND STRATEGY,it will fall foul .as kobo always says ,for the gambia our home land ."
Therefore we are yet to receive P.D.O.I.S manifesto and any constitution that governs that party (P.D.O.I.S). Attention admin@gambia.dk
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 10:25:59
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as for halifa ,i like the man but then what do i give him,
lets have this story understood first .
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Posted - 28 Sep 2007 : 10:57:16
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HAVE A READ . UNKNOWN AUTHOR
Wise elders of Happy Land gathered to decide who to trust with the nation's Treasure Chest. In the Happy Land best known for their tolerance, the Chief Custodian who served for very long time was getting too old and weak to handle public service pressure.
As the wise elders sat under the big community tree debating who the next suitable custodian to choose, a drama unfolded. A mad man suddenly appeared with cutlass and long gun to scare everyone. He approached the elders as a normal person. Soon afterwards, he paved his way to the centre where the public Treasure Chest sat; the mad man suddenly lifted it. He rushed with speed and heading for the deep river close to the Head Chief's residence. To chase after him appeared bit risky as the mad man could plunge himself together with the public Treasure Chest headlong in deep waters. Not to chase him was another risk. The mad man could break the chest and blow its contents carelessly.
Elders of Happy Land helplessly sat watching how the wild mad man ends with the looted public Treasure Chest. Later, some of the community elders recognised the mad man as former night servant of the Head Chief. It was recalled that the mad man once protested about low pay and was sanctioned with suspension from duty.
What the elders feared came to be. The wild mad man broke the Treasure Chest and plunged its contents in deep waters. Everything started sinking.
Worried about what to do, the small Happy Land turned chaotic. Some of the people organized themselves to decide who to hand over the Treasure Chest. Others thought it was not the occasion to talk about a custodian when the Treasure Chest is already drowned. For them, the urgent task is to recover the Treasure Chest and later decide who the rightful custodian is.
After some time, the mad man was seen dressing in big gowns and dishing out money. He became proud and arrogant. Still in possession of his cutlass and hunting gun, nobody dared getting near him. The whole community endured slow suffering life.
If you become the judge to settle disputes in the Happy Land, which group would you take as right? To first recover the Treasure Chest or Decide who keeps it; what do you think?
Unknown author September 2007
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power only respect power. there is a time to be hot and a time to be cool .(malcolm x )
Dalton1
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Posted - 28 Sep 2007
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 14:28:54
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Thanks Santafara for sharing that with us again.
However it appears that a rejoinder is needed on your threads before that story. Its crucial as ALLEGATIONS /ISSUES OF TRIBALISM IN GAMBIAN POLITICS should be SERIOUSLY ADDRESSED and nip it from its bud TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Oct 2007 : 17:00:22
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Originally posted by kobo
Thanks Santafara for sharing that with us again.
However it appears that a rejoinder is needed on your threads before that story. Its crucial as ALLEGATIONS /ISSUES OF TRIBALISM IN GAMBIAN POLITICS should be SERIOUSLY ADDRESSED and nip it from its bud TO FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
kobo ,truely am hard press with time .your quotes where things i explain concerning the mode of language some contributors refer to udp.if your are able to comprehend that fine if not am sorry for now .i may explain in detail later. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 08:05:02
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| I think Halifa should just stay in academia. He is obviously more suited for that than the petty politics of the Gambia. Indeed great people are never honored in their own country...,oops did I just said "great people" ? Nyarikangbanna will perhaps condemn my use of that on Halifa. Am I being a desciple? |
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