 |
|
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
 Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 15:07:35
|
quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
I agree with Halifa's statement that parties should not continue to select only one person as leader all the time. This , I know appears contrary to the practices of PDOIS , but it might be also good to consider that Halifa is only one of the leaders in PDOIS so his will may not always prevail. But I look forward to the day in the Gambia when all parties conduct primaries to select their presidential candidates..
Kayjatta, thanks for coming back on this point. Like I said above, I am not interested in the relevance or lack of it of this statement because it doesn't matter. All the parties concerned are soveriegn parties with their own internal procedures and it is these procedures that would dictate what goes on within their internal politics, not what a random outsider said especially if he happens to be an erratic idealist.
Also, if Halifa cannot not prevail over his own party to desist from selecting one candidate for eternity, as you nearly suggested above, then he does not have any moral standing to preach to other parties.If he wants to claim any moral standing in Gambian politics, he should either shut-up or resign from his party in the best interest of the so-called principles he stands for [Charity begins at home]. Since he hasn't done that and is not likely to do it, it means he is a complete embodiment of deciet, a grotesque politician.
Can I also put to you that Halifa is not a public official. He is not holding any public office whatsoever. He ceased to be a public official since Febuary 2007 when he suffered an 'utter defeat' in the last Parliamentary elections. He is therefore a private citizen, like most Gambians.
Thanks |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Sep 2007 16:23:14 |
 |
|
|
Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 16:52:44
|
nyari ,i suspect you will disaggree with sugestions by some pdois members that ,people uses negative attitude to the party which is a result of its low popularity .
halifa is accused by many of wanting only his views heard ,i for one cannot aggree or disaggre with such comments ,i don't know the man very well. that is why i want us to talk more about him and other leaders so that ignorant folks like myself can better know who this people are .we don't have to wait for another election to know our leaders. the british and american system works fine. potentials leaders have to be members of paliaments first or some sort governor as the case of u.s .people know your records ,they know your personality ,they also know your agendas and principles. but we hardly know any thing about this men/women .where is pdois manifesto ?where is udp manifesco ? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
|
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 17:05:03
|
quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
nyari ,i suspect you will disaggree with sugestions by some pdois members that ,people uses negative attitude to the party which is a result of its low popularity .
Santafara, just ignore them as this insinuation is palpably absurd. PDOIS/NADD simply lacks substance.
Thanks |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Sep 2007 17:06:58 |
|
|
|
egusiguy
3 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 19:49:41
|
quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Also, if Halifa cannot not prevail over his own party to desist from selecting one candidate for eternity, as you nearly suggested above, then he does not have any moral standing to preach to other parties.If he wants to claim any moral standing in Gambian politics, he should either shut-up or resign from his party in the best interest of the so-called principles he stands for [Charity begins at home]. Since he hasn't done that and is not likely to do it, it means he is a complete embodiment of deciet, a grotesque politician...
Nyari,
You seem to suggest above that if Halifa is unable to convince the rest of PDOIS to select different presidential candidates, then he should resign. If he does that, and going by your previous postings on this thread, would you not then accuse him of being arrogant and wanting to have everything his way all the time? It really looks like there is nothing Halifa can do to satisfy you. This does really look like a very strong personal disklike at best, perhaps hate?
Cheers,
ES |
|
|
|
sankalanka
270 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 20:57:52
|
I want the Gambian people to recognize one fact, that those who wish Halifa to just disappear from the political scene, are not going to find it easy. Halifa must be a stumbling block, and they feel threatened by his intellect and honesty, but they just have to contend with the man.
For almost 30 years this humble and patriotic Gambian has been in the public consciousness, first with his radio programs MAGE ALEK on Radio Gambia, and then on his various publications before the formation of PDOIS; I would presume that if the negative critics had anything damaging to say about him, they would have done so long time ago.
What Halifa and his colleagues have been able to achieve, no one can take away from them. They have been able to help recognize the fact that every Gambian is a sovereign being; a person with the power or authority to say how Gambia should be developed. Therefore those who are conscious of this fact have a sense of ownership of the country.
What also need to be understood is the fact that, the idea, the ideal, the vision and the mission that Halifa and his colleagues help propogate has transcended them, and all efforts will be made so that the Gambian people will take ownership of what they have started, and help bring about the total transformation of the society. Therefore, if people think that they only have to deal with Halifa, they have many more Halifa's to deal with.
|
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 02:52:23
|
Thanks Sankalanka. You forget to mention other sacrifices he made with other members of the P.D.O.I.S power house from the civil service into politics; offered several times ministerial positions which they rejected and stuck to their PRINCIPLES OF HUMBLE INCORRUPTIBLE MATURE POLITICIANS. Gambia is small but Halifa is very resourceful on A.U and Commonwealth as a dynamic politician. They have the best dorsiers, sources of references and library on Gambian politics (civic education materials, political developments, historical landmarks and statistical information inter alia). Their (P.D.O.I.S) background introduction into politics is not by default as with the creation of U.D.P culminating in nomination of Lawyer Ousainou Darboe as interim caretaker! due to prevailing circumstances (dictated by the political crises in banning P.P.P and victims of commisions of enquiries!). Lawyer performed well in the commisions of enquiry / law courts and a good majority count on him for immunity during those tough heydays of the July 22nd revolutionary decree upon decree! We hope to consider that later under similar caption /topic: "Who is Ousainou Darboe?"
We need to consider P.D.O.I.S manifesto |
Edited by - kobo on 24 Sep 2007 03:01:23 |
|
|
|
dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 07:45:07
|
Political awareness is an absolute lack in our Gambian society. This is why either you are Halifa or Darboe you just can't convince the people to vote you into office.
One must know why one's rights and reason for voting. Otherwise it is just an exercise even Saddam Husein was embark on. Election without meaning and off course that is what we have.
The disease in the bone marrow and only knowledge which Halifa advocates can take off slavery among our people. If anyone hates Halifa off course you will hate him for his quest for knowledge.. Be the judge... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
|
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 17:54:43
|
quote:
Originally posted by egusiguy
Nyari,
You seem to suggest above that if Halifa is unable to convince the rest of PDOIS to select different presidential candidates, then he should resign. If he does that, and going by your previous postings on this thread, would you not then accuse him of being arrogant and wanting to have everything his way all the time? It really looks like there is nothing Halifa can do to satisfy you. This does really look like a very strong personal disklike at best, perhaps hate?
Cheers,
ES
No sir! all am saying is this; Halifa cannot advise other parties against a pratice that his own party has been doing since its inception. There was a suggestion from Kayjatta that Halifa being one member of PDOIS might have had difficulty trying to change the status quo in his own party but that it doesn't mean his statement is irrelevant. My response to that was that HALIFA would not then have any moral standing to preach other parties against a pratice that his own party is culpable of doing for decades because it would appear hypocritical. For him to have that moral ground to be able to be heard by other parties, I suggested that he should either resign from his own party, something he is not likely to do, or shut-up. That is all I said. I don't care what HALIFA does or doesn't in his own party but he ,certainly, cannot condone a pratice in his own party but abhor it in another party as that would be a sheer hypocricy, a grotesque behaviour.
Thanks |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 24 Sep 2007 19:12:17 |
|
|
|
kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2007 : 21:52:22
|
Nyarikangbanna: It appears to me that you are looking for perfection in Halifa Sallah and PDOIS. If that is so I do not think you will find it. Both Halifa and PDOIS are operating in an imperfect world just like all of us. What is however remarkable here is that Halifa is courageous enough , unlike many politicians in other parties, to talk about weakness that affect his own party.
But I also want us to talk about specifics here , we have been talking only in hypotheticals. I would be more than pleased if you would directly tell us a specific instance or event where Mr. Sallah exhibited/show so much arrogance or deception to provoke so much negative emotion in you. i am just curious , because I often feel that there is more to your anger than the eye can see.
I have to thank Sankalanka for his remarkable post lately. I suspect he is a new member here , but his eloquence and crystalized thoughts have captured my attention. I tend to share many of his views. |
Edited by - kayjatta on 24 Sep 2007 21:54:16 |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 03:42:07
|
An interesting example of P.D.O.I.S landmarks under Gambian political developments Gambia: Focus On Politics - 1987 General Elections - Ruling Party Resorts to Religion As Election Draws Near under http://allafrica.com/stories/200709241364.html
Also related Bantaba Gambian politics: topics PDOIS' Agenda for Democracy and Development (ADD to answer some questions in this topic under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4456
More on P.D.O.I.S manifesto to follow for objective review, critical analysis, comments, constructive critisms and absorbtion! to focus on visions, leadership and core issues challenging us towards norturing & development of sound structures, systems and policies to promote a viable & dynamic Gambian democracy!.
DO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE HEADING TO
PLEASE IGNORE POLITICS OF PERSONALITIES (e.g. HATE/DISLIKE/POWER STRUGGLES/TRIBALISM & SAGRGEGATION) AND COUNT YOURSELF A COMPATRIOT TO FORWARD SOUND PROPOSALS TO FOWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND; AND JOIN OUR DIVERSE PEOPLES' TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD!!!
WHAT'S THE AGENDA FOR A PROGRESSIVE GAMBIA
WHO SHOULD LEAD US
Thanks Momodou for the updates!
|
Edited by - kobo on 25 Sep 2007 04:08:30 |
|
|
|
Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 17:37:45
|
Kayjatta, Once again thanks for coming back. Unfortunately this time around, you have raised no issue worth my response as the bloke does not worth by anger. It is his fanatical disciples who are a cause of concern due to the phenomenial nuisance they have generated around this man. Once again I am vindicated when I said the Ayatollah's arguments don't normally stand the test of objective scrutuny. They are diabolically crude and therefore cannot be allowed to fly across the face of common sense. Nonetheless and contrary to the impression the Ayatollah's disciples would want to give, few significant concessions can be deduced from this debate namely;-
1. Halifa is not the most educated Gambian
2. Halifa is not the most honest Gambian
3. Halifa is not the most patrotic Gambian
4. Halifa is not the best Gambian politician
5. Halifa is not the most respected Gambian
6. Halifa is not the most deserving Gambian
7. What ever description/group you choose to place Halifa, he is just a number in that group
Can I also put to you that my dwelling on the statement he made to 'the point newspaper' is typically specific. Please be informed that I have nothing against the PDOIS entity. The fact that some people here are trying to keep Halifa's personality out of range from the radar shows that he is and has been a political liability on PDOIS.
Thanks for your time. Bye |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 25 Sep 2007 19:04:11 |
|
|
|
sankalanka
270 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 17:49:24
|
Kobo,
I will be coming back shortly. Just want to acknowledge what you have just stated. All revelant PDOIS materials will be made available for public scrutiny, so that we can engaged our critics on their substance, on their efficacy and on their progressive appeal. Be rest assured that it is not going to be Halifa or any of the other PDOIS leadership who will response to critics, but those who have willingly accpeted to take ownership of this party. |
|
|
|
dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 20:20:11
|
Kayjatta, you know we have to accept that Nyarikang simply hates Halifa and sometimes in life people hate other people for no apparent reason.
What I found ironic is that if he has the right to defend people he likes or leaders he admires like Darboe, why can't anyone else have the right to write good things about people they like.
All this rangling around has something to do with a single article I wrote about Halifa as possessing some of the best human qualities I have ever seen. I rated him among the best of the best but at no time do any body indicated that Halifa was the best human being or the most respected.
One must know the history of PDOIS to understand how they operate. There has never been a single party leader of PDOIS. When elections come around they select a Presidential contender and Sedia Jatta happen to be the one selected because the rest of the group including Halifa did not choose to be Presidential candidates. This is how Sedia Jatta becomes the Presidential candidate for PDOIS for several elections.
Unlike other parties where they have a permanent head figure or party leader, these folks choose to do it their own way. Does everybody agree with their method no. Does that make them better or worse that is left for arguement. This is a simple thing one needs to understand.
There is nothing you can do to convince me that Jawara was a great President which many people disagreed with. The samething for Nyarikang. He simply have made up his mind that he hates Halifa and no matter what he said and did he will not get credit. If he is a student of history or he simply have a fair mind he should give credit where it is due.
It really doesn't matter whether you are PDOIS, UDP, NRP or what. You are simply at a disadvantage in Gambian politics. I hope we will agree to diagree to the role of any politician in the Gambia. Simple as that... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
|
|
|
sankalanka
270 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 22:06:54
|
About PDOIS leadeship, let us examine what the party has to say about leadership, and how it delegates responsibility to its members.
"We began to communicate to the branches the science and art of management that the party utilized to be able to sustain its existence and development. That the people engaged in the concrete work of the party (my emphasis, those who are considered to be its leaders) are not priviledged elites but volunteers who ensure maximum gain for the party at minimum cost. That tasked are identified and responsibilities given or assumed on the basis of ability to perform them. That the principle of non antagonistic competition and cooperation is adhered to. Each show that one can do more to further the collective achievement of the immediate and ultimate aims and objectives of the party. That core party workers (my emphasis, those who are considered to be its leaders) are now owners of the party (my emphasis, just as they want every other Gambian to be an owner of the party), but are under its service 24 hours a day. That the relations between the core party workers (my emphasis, those who considered to be its leaders) is based on mutual respect. Self imposed discipline has supremacy over the supervision. Accountability is safeguarded through criticism. Self criticism sessions. That since the party could not rely on patronage the core party workers (my emphasis, those who are considered to be its leaders)operate productive institutions for the party to gain its survival." Source: PDOIS 2001 Congress, Taibatu, Wuli.
|
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2007 : 05:40:50
|
quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Kayjatta, Once again thanks for coming back. Unfortunately this time around, you have raised no issue worth my response as the bloke does not worth by anger. It is his fanatical disciples who are a cause of concern due to the phenomenial nuisance they have generated around this man. Once again I am vindicated when I said the Ayatollah's arguments don't normally stand the test of objective scrutuny. They are diabolically crude and therefore cannot be allowed to fly across the face of common sense. Nonetheless and contrary to the impression the Ayatollah's disciples would want to give, few significant concessions can be deduced from this debate namely;-
1. Halifa is not the most educated Gambian
2. Halifa is not the most honest Gambian
3. Halifa is not the most patrotic Gambian
4. Halifa is not the best Gambian politician
5. Halifa is not the most respected Gambian
6. Halifa is not the most deserving Gambian
7. What ever description/group you choose to place Halifa, he is just a number in that group
Can I also put to you that my dwelling on the statement he made to 'the point newspaper' is typically specific. Please be informed that I have nothing against the PDOIS entity. The fact that some people here are trying to keep Halifa's personality out of range from the radar shows that he is and has been a political liability on PDOIS.
Thanks for your time. Bye
You have exposed your weaknesses, hatred,arrogance and sarcastic attitude since this topic started. You think that we are moved by your poor performance in this debate. Stay put until we engage you on U.D.P and its leadership. Do you think that Gambian politics is all about Nyaring's opinions We have general consensus (ON THOSE ACTIVE ON THIS DEBATE!), public opinion and a good audience (GAMBIANS WHO KNEW THE COUNTRY VERY WELL!) in this forum.
C.u.later! |
Edited by - kobo on 26 Sep 2007 05:44:20 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
| Bantaba in Cyberspace |
© 2005-2024 Nijii |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
