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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 28 Aug 2007 : 20:54:29
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Good men and women, what is all this vexation about? Gambia has turned into a den of crime and thuggery since Commander Yahya and his patriots seized power by coup. It was good thing that Yahya brought changes. The other side of it is that changes is dynamic. It does not have to stop at Yahya. As a nation we have to and that means no single person is good enough to peg himself as a life time patriotic commander of all generations. What we are writing today is reserved for the right place in history. Without these records, the truth is still indestructible. Keeping records makes it easier for the next generation to examine the past. In the course of time some men and women commit their little hands in doing what they do. Other men and women keep record of whatever is said or done.
Coming to Bantaba and line towing. No, not in my view! I do not wish to create a line to be towed. I am happier to express my views and if that is what others feel, that's a bonus gain. For those who feel differently, I still respect their views. Until we cleanse the Gambia nation of the heinous crimes that characterises the current coup leaders, the task of unmasking will have to go on. Unfortunately, evil deeds invite distasteful remarks. "Ku def lu bon, jaymaign toppa sa kow." In short, those who do wrong must expect to be talked about. "Have no fear for atomic energy, for none of it can stop time."-Bob Marley (Redemption Song.) Wassalam.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 00:16:28
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Originally posted by mansasulu
It is rather ironic that all what some people on Bantaba want is for everyone to toe the line. The fact of the matter is that there are no lines to toe here, be it in support or against the current government back home. To them, merely asking for objectivity tantamounts to being an APRC PATRIOT. I am of the firm belief that we should all be gambian patriots regardless of what we think of the current government.
Gambia is bigger that Yaya Jammeh and thus we should channel our energies towards making Gambia better.
mansa ,we are all patriotic citizen of our small land ,we don't need to plaster the name patriot to be call one. i respect my country i love every corner stone in that land but i also reserve the right to call the leader of that state to account if we feel some citizens or foriegners are wronged.that is not unpatriotic that is being just .but if gambiapatriot believe our call for swift justice is betrayal of our motherland ,i careless.
yes ,yahya has succeeded in creating a false breed of socall patriot who don't even know what the word meant. i am not a blind patriot .i will continue to advocate for swift justice ,whover see that differently ,so be it.why didn't yahya take his time in authorising the quick sentencing of the fail aborted coupish ? why doesn't he take time in locking up his opponents ? let him come out bold and handover every case file to the relevant independent authorities if such a body exist in the gambia. as for key board commando ,i am happy to be one .many have resorted to being ak47 commando ,so i take the line of the wise ,i will use my key board come rain or shine.
i do not wish to be on the same side with you mr patriot ,my concense will be not allow me ,so tow your line sir . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 00:42:00
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Santa
Quite similar to what you have said in the first paragraph, Citizens of the United States exercise their distate for public policy by burning their national flag. Some thought that as unpatriotic but others believe that that its a way of saying "not in our name".
The act of burining the flag essentially send the signal that citizens are not ready to accept what politicians are doing. That their actions are not in line with what the founding fathers stood for.
I guess its a matter of cultural differences as to what constitutes patrotism.
In the days of Idi Amin, patriotism means "...people must love their leaders.." if i may borrow a sentence from one of his speeches. To some societies, patriotism means speaking up for what is right and silence means connivance.Well for students of sociology, there is what is called "Power Distance". It means the level to which members of a society have readily accepted that inequalities, are right and that power should be distributed unequally. Its not a situation of that being forced on them, but rather they so happily accepted it.
The Third world countries all fall in this category and as such societies are characterised by patronage, an extreme Lorenzo Curve(an economic instrument that measures wealth and its distribution in a society), rigid social structures and boundaries etc. Gambia certainly is one of those countries. So being different certainly calls for that person to be "...buried six-feet deep.."
Keep the arguments flowing. I am having a good reading. The arguments of Karamba and our own Gambianpatriot clearly indicates the different angles each is coming from. But then again, that's why i am in love with democracy because it allows exchange of ideas to flow, which in turn builds a critical mass in the society.
I am just not sure if Karamba and Gambianpatriot can exchange these postings in Yoro Bawol. One of them will certainly not live to tell the story. Its like the old movie "Kick Boxer" where two fighters fight in a cage and the crowd shouting "..two men enter, one man leaves...".
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 00:52:26
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| Kondorong ,just reading from gambiajournal ,some lady organisation have just call on the dear leader to work at his kanilai farm ,for free .what kind of reasoning is motivating this women to go and labour for a president for free ? would this women do that for any other farmer in the gambia ? the mandinka saying bear fruit here ,kafu dola ba bukafannafa (any person who only labour hard for the a group hardly those it for himself ).empowerment is not enslavement .the issue at hand is who kill the ghanians ? and it is taking forever for any sound answer to come out .would any one like that his brother/sister be kill in a foriengn land and the state is playing a game of hide and seek ? lets be frank here .as for alhasan ,continue in your thread .i will not argue with you .wait for the evidence . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 04:30:17
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Kobo,
You and PK Jarju are birds of the same feather. You are asking other people to put their lives on the line while you abode far away. Brave indeed. PK was singing a different song when he was writting for the Observer. Now in the UK, he is urging other people to put their lives and livelihoods on line. I would respect him more if he had advocated that while he was on the ground. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
44 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 04:41:07
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Santa wrote:
i do not wish to be on the same side with you mr patriot ,my concense will be not allow me ,so tow your line sir .
Neither do I want you on my side. I don't care for your acknowledgment...Keep acting like the truth belongs to you and see how far it takes you. Hedge your arguments and make room for the fact that you might be wrong in some cases. If you are so gungho,what is stopping you from getting rid of Yahya Jammeh? Instead you act big and bad on this here the bantaba...and call our patriotism into question because we didn't swallow your point hook and sink...chei. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 09:49:49
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| whatever you say sir fine by me.you are the one with a blogg trying to silence some gambians .i am for peace any time. i never try to be bad mr patriot .you may want me to be bad ,but i can take care of my actions .support your revolution whilst it last (aprc). |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 11:44:08
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Santanfara,
Do you mean all of us who want to wait for the truth before pointing at fingers? I am realy suprised that if I say no to your views, then I am not truthful according to you guys.Is this democratic? |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 12:15:09
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Originally posted by Alhassan
Santanfara,
Do you mean all of us who want to wait for the truth before pointing at fingers? I am realy suprised that if I say no to your views, then I am not truthful according to you guys.Is this democratic?
alhasan ,there is a saying that 'ika kuno menna aah da domo wonteh mansa dibonti' .let other explain what that meant.but you cannot under any circumstances put words in my mouth .i never said you have to aggree with me ,i don't want that sir .can't you see that .all i wrote is that remember it is human beings we are talking about not cars or buildings .if you want evidence how long are you prepared to wait for one. since when did the ghanians die ? can you remember uncle .since when did koro ceesay died ? since when did deyda died ? are you still waiting for those evidences ? that is why i said you continue to wait .not that you have to accept what i wrote .justice delayed is justice denied .we also don't want rash actions but after one year still no progress ,that is not a good sign.people who dear write any thing displeasing to the angel in kanilai get arrested ,brought before courts in the minimal time ,why not other cases ? i have debated with you here for so long ,you need knowing that i don't advocate for absolute voice .who am i to get just unhumanly privelage .any one who wish to discredit me ,takes the same route .they will write '' you want to force your veiws on me '' how wrong. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 15:42:10
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Santanfara,
Sir, I withdraw my statements in my last posting on this topic.
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 16:29:33
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Brother Santa, as always I see where you are coming from. My point is that it has become very common in Bantaba for people to be called APRC PATRIOTS, or Yahya Jammeh's secret agents in when they disagree with certain views. I have been accused of it in the past and I can dig in my achives and present here for all to see, hence my point about line toeing. I care less about Yaya Jammeh and his government. True, he has all the power, but we gambians should look at ourselves for solutions instead of pointing fingers at Yahya Jammeh alone. If we as a society wrer doing what we are suppose to be doing we would not be in the situation we are today. Yahya Jammeh did not appear from nowhere or in a vacuum. So merely getting rid of him does not solve our problems. This is why I am of the firm belief that we should look at the bigger picture and do what we are suppose to do. History has shown that morally and spiritually corrupt societies and tyrants go hand in hand.
In as much as I detest the current government, what I will not do is toe the line of some disgruntled 'has been' who probably had a hand in the making of Yahya Jammeh. There are some people here whose sole purpose is to keep beating a dead horse and expect everyone to join in. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 17:19:11
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''Let Justice Guide Our Action!''
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Originally posted by GambianPatriot
Kobo,
You and PK Jarju are birds of the same feather. You are asking other people to put their lives on the line while you abode far away. Brave indeed. PK was singing a different song when he was writting for the Observer. Now in the UK, he is urging other people to put their lives and livelihoods on line. I would respect him more if he had advocated that while he was on the ground.
Thanks Santangfara for doing a good job. Thats enough to conclude on this topic. However am making these comments to clear the air with GambianpPatriot on his points quoted above!
''You and PK Jarju are birds of the same feather. You are asking other people to put their lives on the line while you abode far away.''
Do you have the EVIDENCE AND FACTS that we are birds of the same feather and that am asking other people to put their lives on the line while I abode far away These are many of your weak arguments, without your realisation of ditracting ATTENTION, castigation, double standards and making yourself CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE, e.g as stated by you; (''FACTS. I am not condoning the murder of innocent people, but I refuse to tag someone a murderer without any evidence, save for my disdain for his authoritarian rule.'') in this dabate about NATIONAL POLITICAL ISSUES.
This PARAGRAPH quoted from P.K.Jarju can help you on your position about FACTS (AND INNOCENCE UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!);
BY P.K Jarju''In The Gambia today, an accused person is presumed guilty even before being tried in court. Get arrested by the NIA and you risk losing all your friends. You become stigmatised and people become scared to get close to you. Fall out with Jammeh and no company will dream of even employing you as a cleaner. Believe it or not, but this is a fact.''
I was sharing with you someones critical opinions on GAMBIAN POLITICS, CRIMES, ASTROCITIES, THE LAW AND JUSTICE to help you understand that you don't need evidence to convince you about WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GHANIAN MURDERS AND/OR ONE OF THE MANY MYSTERIOUS ASTROCIES HANGING ON THE NECK OF OUR REGIME AND PRESENT AUTHORITIES Its not my DECLARATION but by P.K. Jarju to BOLDLY recommend the need for intervention of the army. My endorsement would be for intervention to ARRESTS these heinous situations by ANY PATRIOTIC MEANS OR COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY MEANS from any BRAVE MEN WILLING TO MAKE THAT SACRIFICE IN THE INTERESTS OF THE NATION! That was the rationale and solidarity behind SUCCESS of July 22nd that toppled a democratically elected government calling it a REVOLUTION. That was a worst case scenario and with your sentiments expressed on P/K/Jarju's option, you would not have been considered a HERO (but a COWARD) within those ranks for PATRIOTIC DUTY TO CHANGE THE SYTEM! Am wodering whether you have you digest properly, word by word, line by line, P.K.jarku's article to campare YESTERDAY AND TODAY in gambian political methamorphis. P.K.jarku's verdict on the need for change by any means is an option in his opinion; ''I have not regretted calling for the overthrow of Jammeh." Says Journalist PK Jarju!! Take note that there are serious implications but don't deny the FACT THAT IT IS SOMEONE'S RIGHTS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OPINIONS, isn't it
READ ONCE MORE TO CHALLENGE US ON ANY SINGLE POINT FROM 99% EXTRACTS OF THE ARTICLE QUOTED BELOW:
QUOTES FROM P.K.Jarju!
''So far so good we still living today
But we don't know what tomorrow brings
In this crazy world
People dying like flies every day
You read about it in the news
But you don't believe it
You'll only know about it
When the man in the long black coat
Knocks on your door
'Cause you're his next victim
As you are living in this
Living in, living in this crazy world.....
Lucky Dube
By P.K.Jarju; ''When I was a school boy at the Gambia Senior Secondary School, I was taught that modern nations adopted democracy and Baron de Montesquieu's principles of separation of powers so as to give the electorates the power to elect and remove their representatives through the ballot box as well as to prevent those representatives from interfering in the independent work of other arms of government. This prevent power from being vested on one person who may abuse them like we have in The Gambia.
Democracy tells us that a president can only be elected and remove from power through the ballot box. But lets ask ourselves whether we have a democratic government and whether removing Jammeh through the ballot box can be achievable. The Jammeh regime imposed itself on the Gambian people and the periodical elections conducted in the country are just a sham. They are neither free or fair and have never reflected the wishes of the Gambian people. The elections are always a foregone conclusion as the president appoints and removes electoral officers most of whom openly manifest their support for the regime.
Since 1994, Gambians have seen the hiring and firing of secretaries of states, permanent secretaries and directors of public institutions by the president without any explanation. We have seen civil servants suspected of being opposition sympathisers being sack from their jobs. The civil service is today rife with corruption, nepotism, favouritism, instability you name it. We have seen on many occasions where ministers fired for corruption are reappointed to the same posts or to higher positions of public trust. Take for instance, Lamin Kaba Bajo was fired as secretary of state for Local Government and Lands after receiving millions of Dalasis over the Sinchu Yayi project. And what happened next? He was made ambassador to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and later secretary of state for Foreign Affairs. What about Yankuba Touray? What about Tijan Hydara? What about those indicted of corruption by Justice Madabuchi Abuchi Paul's corruption? Well, you tell me.
The country's National Assembly, which is largely dominated by the APRC does not serve the interest of the electorates. How many times have we seen National Assembly Members enacting nefarious and draconian laws drafted by the executive that gives more powers to the president instead of the masses? How many times have we seen National Assembly members being expelled from their seats by the president for failing to support a certain bill or motion? How many times have we seen the constitution being repeatedly amended left, right and centre to serve the interest of Jammeh? What about the crude oil saga? Why did the National Assembly failed to investigate President Jammeh's involvement in the shady deal despite hard core evidence. The National Assembly is not fit for purpose. Its a mockery of democracy and an insult to the intelligence of Gambians.
The judiciary has lost its independence to administer justice in a free and fair manner. It has failed its motto of fiat justicia. The president appoints and removes judges who have to kiss his backside. How many times have we seen judges convict people arraigned before them on thump up charges by the state? How many times have we seen judges failing to entertain cases pertaining to the illegal detention or harassment of people by the NIA and other security units? How many times have we seen the police and NIA officers completely disregarding court orders and how many times have we seen the sacking of judges who pass judgements against the state? Well you answer dem questions.
Our judiciary is crippled and lawyers are now scared to get involve in any case against the state. They have all learnt from the experience of Lawyer Ousman Sillah and of course my best friend, Mai Fatty. The Gambia Bar Association is now a toothless bull dog that cannot even challenge the illegal and obnoxious laws enacted by President Jammeh's National Assembly. Only a few lawyer now have the balls to give a strong defence in court to people or persons against the state.
In The Gambia today, an accused person is presumed guilty even before being tried in court. Get arrested by the NIA and you risk losing all your friends. You become stigmatised and people become scared to get close to you. Fall out with Jammeh and no company will dream of even employing you as a cleaner. Believe it or not, but this is a fact.
The political situation of the Gambia can be liken to that of being in a ship with a confused captain with no sense of direction. We are all at the mercy of a ruthless dictator. Yes, a dictator who thinks he owns the country and governs it the way he wants.The once so-called God fearing Jammeh has now become a political monster who hates any form of criticism. Journalists get bullets put through their heads, their houses and printing machines set on fire, arrested, tortured and media houses closed down on bogus charges. Political opponents are always hunted down, arrested, tortured, jailed or buried six feet deep.
Gambians don't trust each other any more. We cannot talk freely to each other without looking at our backs. Political discussions are out of the way. Talk about Jammeh and you risk spending months at the NIA headquarters, Banjul where you will be tortured and subjected to all sort of inhumane treatment. Jammeh's name is sacred. He is worshipped like Lord Voldermort in the Harry Porter series and disobedience is regarded as the worst crime.
Jammeh is running the country left, right and centre as he wish without due regards to the country's constitution, which he swore to protect and defend come rain or shine. He is getting richer and richer, fatter and fatter and more than powerful while Gambians are getting poorer and poorer by the day. Today, the average Gambian lives on less than one US dollar a day. The country's economy is in the red and our internal and external debts a near choking point. The government is not providing the basic needs of the people. The few development projects it has taken are politicise and most of them do not reflect the needs of the Gambian people.
Its important for me to state here that I would never have called for the removal of Jammeh through the barrel of the gun if there were free and fair elections in The Gambia. Because Gambians would have voted him out ages ago. Jammeh has already made public his intentions of staying in power until 2025 and God know what The Gambia would be at that time. This guy is capable of doing anything to stay in power. He has killed, jailed and committed other heinous crime to his political opponents, critics and even friends he sees as obstacles to his continuous stay in power. The only thing that can end this political madness is for the armed forces to intervene.
What we have is not democracy but anarchy and without any meaningful change, I foresee a bleak future. A future where the once peaceful and brotherly Gambians cannot bear any more hardship and suffering. This is what happened in Sierra Leone, Guinea Conakry, Bissau, Chad, Darfur, Liberia, Ivory Coast, Zaire, Congo etc, and we have all seen the results.
May God help our great country.
Amen
For comments, write to jemusjammeh@yahoo.co.uk
PS. To respond to Yerro Bah, cowards are not those who try to put sense into pigheaded people like you, but those who hide behind their uniform to kill, torture and commit other heinous crimes against the very people they swore to defend. Jammeh has succeed in brainwashing people like you that those who speak against him are evil. Mate shine yours eyes.''
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 17:34:47
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Brother Santa, as always I see where you are coming from. My point is that it has become very common in Bantaba for people to be called APRC PATRIOTS, or Yahya Jammeh's secret agents in when they disagree with certain views. I have been accused of it in the past and I can dig in my achives and present here for all to see, hence my point about line toeing. I care less about Yaya Jammeh and his government. True, he has all the power, but we gambians should look at ourselves for solutions instead of pointing fingers at Yahya Jammeh alone. If we as a society wrer doing what we are suppose to be doing we would not be in the situation we are today. Yahya Jammeh did not appear from nowhere or in a vacuum. So merely getting rid of him does not solve our problems. This is why I am of the firm belief that we should look at the bigger picture and do what we are suppose to do. History has shown that morally and spiritually corrupt societies and tyrants go hand in hand.
In as much as I detest the current government, what I will not do is toe the line of some disgruntled 'has been' who probably had a hand in the making of Yahya Jammeh. There are some people here whose sole purpose is to keep beating a dead horse and expect everyone to join in.
Thanx brother. That's what i call HONESTY and SANITY. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 18:07:56
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There can't be SANITY if there is COMPLACENCY, INTELLECTUAL DIS-HONESTY AND DIS-ORIENTAIONS to diciper simple BASIC ISSUES and extrapolate THE FACTS FROM MYTHS, TRUTH AND FALSE (OR LIES!) right infront of your EYES AND UNDER YOUR NOSE!
We all know this slogan! '' GAMBIA NO PROBLEM!'' |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2007 : 18:12:29
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| Please CHAALO, More Matter and less Art |
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