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bread man
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 23:02:13
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| Madiba, I salute you for your ellaboration. As I always say Jawara is no comparison to Jammeh, although both are not perfect I will vote for Jammeh´s shadow over Jawara and his bunch of thieves. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 23:16:30
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Madiss your on a role, enlighten us further. It is good for people to remember their history. isn't it true that in fact the PPP were given enough money for 5 universities? Jawara's coronies sent their children to US universities and their wives routinely came to the west for treatment. Whilst the masses received no such luxuries.Talibees begged routinely in the streets dressed in rags for food to give their teachers. Because Jawara spent the education budget as his own housekeeping money.
With the amnesty given to him from Jammeh and the climate of reconcilliation between the old and new incumbents. Tolerance is a word that comes to mind however an apology from the former President for his misguided misrule is still long overdue, They say confession is good for the soul.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 23:18:27
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To count those who are not thieves is much easier. Who are not thieves in the Jammeh regime. One by one, when they fall out of grace with His Excellency, he exposes their crime of theft. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 23:31:22
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I hear tales of corruption. We better inform the President not to turn off the electric broom yet!
By the way I'm sure it's called a vacuum. But as usual when we switch it on all we hear is noise!!! Cry out no mile twooooo. It was him. It wasn't her! It wasn't me! it must of been you! Just too many fingers in that cookie jar.
How much assets have the Jawara babes got now out of all that real estate investment? Also I remember the owner of Gambia's major tourist operator bragging at the worlds travel market. The reason why his business gained a monopoly over Gambia was he offered to fly President's family for free!!!
By the way Jammeh when are you going to break up this monopoly and attract more and more all year flights to Gambia? I'm hearing the Dominic Republic is coming up fast.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 00:19:43
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| To truly weigh, I see the parallels; murderers or thieves , if commentaries or realities are to go by. While condemning these societal outcasts for the nasty job of the millions of nibs of skeletons in their dirty cupboards (the murderers), it becomes equally important to know those that kept the seal of darkness to a decent society by their acts of open scam (thieves). I can forgive the former to the later. I am of the conclusion, at times, this world is not fair. By this, we mean, though God created us equal, but there are the "more equals" at any given time who because of power grips, traumatizes a whole society by their indecency and self-aggrandizement moves. While we expect worldly commissions to deal with the alleged thieves, the murderers shall never be spared, not even if the Baitul-Kabah becomes their hourly houses. Now, for any to blind themselves of the issue under the microscope (rains of blood by intent), is the same as insulting decency, and subscibing to a fact of dictatorship, openly. But the fact the remains, weighing the scale, is a game of constant brain twist with intent from supposedly forum calibres. It might take long, but day will always break from the darkest night. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 00:39:47
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Breadman N Sis Omega, thanks for ur comments. I am a Gambian who was lucky to have witnessed both regimes not as a toddler but as grown-up. I had wanted to enlist in Army, but my family dissuaded me. Why ?becos after attending numerous interviews for scholarship, i hit a cul-de-sac. Yet i know of some whom i have done A-Levels wit, and i had better grades than them, found themselves awarded wat we used to called the Commonwealth Awards tenable in the UK, Canada or other countries, AFGRAD awards America etc.
If i had joined the Army , and July 22 came i would have been in the fore-front to see to it that the corruption of democracy ends in the PPP run Gambia. I would have used an illegal means to set my people free. Who wouldn't have ? After all these suffering in the hands of a few elite. Those VIPs (Vagabonds in Power) left nothing, from the auctioning of parastals that they rendered non-viable to lootings of foreign aid. It is better for those beneficiaries of the PPP loot to shut up. Jammeh is neither perfect. BUt for someone to be denied basic things like quality education in ur backyard, TV , to atleast see whats happening elsewhere was just too much. These were luxuries in PPP days. A minister whose teacher friend killed a student in the provinces, was made to escape to the city and provided a sequence of better jobs.
Look lets keep the peace. Trying to glorify the PPP regime here will open up old wounds and maybe an embarassment for some retired old civil servants or their families.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 01:12:58
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Dalton your lyrics are like honey to gullible lips or half baked revolutionaries. It is the responsibility of our leaders to use and put into place the mechanisms for nation building and not arresting the development of the nation for egotistic aggrandizement. Jawara tried to keep Gambians ignorant and to accept their material impoverishment. But his myopic vision tripped him up and the rest is history.
Now those with sweet lyrics trying to fool us here today by rewriting history have failed to do so. July 22 was a peaceful revolution, a necessary revolution born of the spirit of common good to advance the Gambia by waging a war on poverty and ignorance. Which in themselves are roots of evil arresting evolutionary progress of Gambia and indeed Africa as a whole.
So hark on my brother with those drunken symphonies for myopic minds filled with self interests of what a country can do for you! Those of us who will create theme tunes with stanzas of what we can do for our countries will create long lasting melodies sung well into the future. With themes filled with of what we will do for our countries will inspire future generations to reach further goals that will manifest and be true!
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 10:43:53
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Great enlightenment guys. Madiba, you capture the sole of the debate. Brother kobo wants to tell us the ideas that were implemented to benefit a group of clan in the Gambia.
On a balance scale every project initiated during Jawara's time met drastic failure day by day leading to July 22. The only viable institution which had some foreign investment branch to it was Gamtel.
Even Gamtel, Ports Authority, Gambia Civil Aviation, GPTC few of the most lucrative during Jawara's regime only employed people from privileged families in the Gambia.
Madiba is spot on.. there were THREE classes of citizens during Jawara's regime. The first class, second class, and the very bottom. The first class were the people who had a firm grip over high government positions. These were the people who send their kids to higher institutions of learning in UK, U.S etc. To these people Gambia was a paradize.
The second class citizens were the people who manage to have some families in higher positions or who have some connection to some senior government officials. These people were also privileged to have access to incentives where their kids were given scholarships here and there to make it look like the government was fair. These are people who were given homes, cars, and everything in the KOMBOS.
By the way the FIRST CLASS CITIZENS had everything at their disposal. They grabbed as much land as possible. They owned every business in the Gambia. You ought to be a decendant of these families to even get an interview at government offices. Nepotism was at its highest...
Sadly the bottom class citizens including the ARMY were struggling to meet their three day meals. They were struggling to fit in a country that belongs to them.
I dear not talk about what happened to the farmers the majority of the population in the Gambia. The Gambian farmers were treated like slaves. They saw their agricultural subsidies go down gradually until the governement could not even buy the nuts they were producing. YES belief it, this was during Jawara's days. The "CHAMPION OF HUMAN RIGHTS" "THE CROWN PRINCE WHO SETTLED THE DESPUTE BETWEEN IRAQ AND IRAN"
Folks on balance Jawara's government was a disaster waiting to happen. There was never a single day when scandals and embezzlements were not reported in the newspapers.
The worst thing was those who embezzlement millions of Dalasis were ask to quitely Retire. A case in point were the Cooperative Union. The most important institution supporting the backbone of the economy -The Farmers was looted in broad day light.
What about the Gambia Commercial Bank loans the never got paid, How about GPMB that dilapidated systematically?
I am really amazed that KOBO and others will sit here and back Jawara's system of government. Again the only people that sits here and back that rotten system were people who enjoyed a part of the CAKE.
Finally guys, could you ask yourselves why junior military officers were able to overthrow a government that existed for 30 years in a broad day light? Why did the majority of the Gambian people embraced the military take over even thought it was illegal?
How could a government that claimed to do so well be wiped out within a day and nobody dear stood up for them?
To conclude I like to highlight a few projects that no one ever talked about? What happened to the OIL that was given to Gambia by the Nigerian government? Who in the Gambia ever hard about that oil company? The amount of that oil production amounted to over $300 million dollars. Couldn't we have built a ceiling over the country with that money?
I am sure this topic is becoming more revealing. If those who stood for Jawara are honest to themselves, how could a nation that had so much development under Jawara's watch just go down the drain that fast? Could anybody out there dispute my assertions that there existed AT LEAST TWO CLASSES OF CITIZENS IN THE GAMBIA? WHICh class did you belong to? What kind of Gambia did you see? Certainly not the one I saw growing up... Call it what it is and don't try to be nostalgic about your privileges... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 10:54:49
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Brothers/Sisters,
Please I have said earlier that I would not want to venture into arguements with anyone about achievements of Jawara.For Dbaldeh,you are free to call me what ever but belief it or not,Gambia in the seventies was food sufficient(You must be there to know it for your self to know what am saying)compare to the needs of people in those days.For those of you who are 40years and above can vouch that for me that Gambia from colonial rule in the 60s had no street lights,airports used to burn fire to direct flights. Then you don't think of a playground or talk of a stadium(maybe boxbar)
Most of you were comparing those days to today,I was not venturing in that light.I know man is infalible but pientisies may come their way atimes.
Sir Dawda made so many mistakes I agree but then during his days you Dbaldeh could demonstrate without being shot at not to talk of being killed.You mentioned of attending a bourding school,this must be Armitage which I also happen to have attended but my brother go to Armitage today and see things for your self now now or call a brother/sister to do it for you and report back to you how the school is today.
You said:
"These are just few areas to give you a hint.
You talked about Electricity and street light? Are you kidding me.. where were day, State house? You mention graduates from what High School because there wasn't a college per se? Airport, where? in Yundum? you call that an airport? women literate that was an archievement under Jawara?
Janyanfara, my brother I don't have to know these things you mentioned were not there for us to have them. All I know is that I went to primary school sitting on the dirt under a tree to read this was in the early 80s. We went to high school writing on our labs the only government sponsored boarding school? We did not have access to clean drinking water not to talk about clinics. What about food, oh Gambia was self sufficient in food production? Subsistence farming for self sufficient food production?
Oh am so sorry I can't seems to stop writing because am already emotional about these things. You mean to tell me those measures you mentioned are good enough to sustain a nation and its people? Come on... call a spade a spade.
Madiba is right on spot, Jawara failed in every measure possible as a leader of a nation... Jammeh is heading to worst direction because he looks back and think like Janyanfara. Oh few more roads are enough, TV station is good enough?
When shall we use our brains and know that we deserve the best the world can offer. How could we be contended with so little and so low for our people? I am really sorry that we still think and act that way..."
My brother when you said these things made me realise how shallow minded some people can really become.Please please my apologise if I offend any one but when you compare me to Jammeh,I feel humiliated, insulted and abused.But any way, that is the beauty of freedom of speech which we have totally lost in the Gambia today.
Any right thinking person when talking of the Gambia in the sixties,seventies ect,would at least compare it to people's needs in those days.You know today the world is technological,do you have computers then,mobile phones,internet ect.Can you right thinking man compare Cable and wireless in those days to suffisticated techno.?You and I know that the world has moved faster and thus advancement.I am never putting Jawara blameless not at all but don't make a demon out of someone who recognises you as human.
Now to give you a clue to what I meant in those days, compare how much a (street cleanersboard of healthwe used to call them "bodofel")gets per month and what he could buy from his pay and what he can save,compared to Jammeh era,though salary increases but comodities are skyrocket you know that.
Dalton1 had given you a clue to what so many right thinking people about said about Jawara.
Please read this to understand the oldman better.
from the point News paper
In his interview with the BBC, former president Dawda Jawara suggested that give and take is a defining trait of Gambians. He could have seized the opportunity to launch a diatribe against the man who thirteen years ago wrested power from his hands, but in the typical magnanimity of Gambians he said he had taken everything in his stride. He politely but firmly refused to comment on the stewardship of his successor, preferring instead to have others do the appraisal. The overtone of his interview was that he had already played his part as the founding father of the nation and others coming after him have to build on the foundation he has laid. And each leader will be scrutinised by history.
The old man is right; there is so much wisdom and wit in the receding silver hair. His comments reinforced the point we made yesterday on this page that each leader plays his or her role and then bows out of the stage in due course. Some will be applauded, while others will be booed out. It all depends on their stewardship.
There is so much to learn from the forward-looking posture as well as the spirit of reconciliation of the ex-Gambian leader. At stake is the betterment of the Gambia as a nation, which cannot be realised amidst rivalry and rancor. Sir Dawda Jawara, by his self-restraint and forbearance, has urged all political actors in the country to bury the hatchet and move the Gambia forward, regardless of ethnic, political and religious affiliations.
In his own wise way, he is telling everybody that the best critics are those who offer suggestions for improvement, that we can never ever move forward by always finding faults here and there. And that such suggestions should be taken in good faith, because political leaders tend to take any and every criticism as a subversive act. Besides, he seems to say that a good leader should be able to tolerate dissenting views and filter them because he or she could learn a thing or two from them.
With the benefit of hindsight, Sir Dawda Jawara must have seen certain things he would have loved to do differently, if he were to run the show all over again.
THE FREEDOM FORUM
“The object of government in peace and in war is not the glory of rulers or of races, but the happiness of the common man”.
William Henry Beveridge
MISKATES ARE BETTER AMMENDED WHEN REFLECTED ON FROM THE PAST.ONE REALISES A MISTAKE AND THINKS OH GOD IF I HAD DONE THIS AND THAT THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR BETTER.
A MISTAKE IS NEVER FUTURE FOR ONCE ITS CALLED A MISTAKE,IT HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE!NAME ME ONE POLITICAL LEADER WHO IS PERFECT?
I was never defending Jawara nor would I ever defend him.He has done his part and now realises his MISTAKES as he reflects on them.
Good day fellas.
God bless the Gambia and her People.
Amen!
Janyanfara.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 17:44:19
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
July 22 was a peaceful revolution, a necessary revolution born of the spirit of common good to advance the Gambia by waging a war on poverty and ignorance. Peace
Sister Omega.
Omega, July 22nd, a coup d'tat, was a military take over. A group of power drunken individuals in the persons of Yaya Jammeh, Sanna B Sabally, Edward Singhateh and their despotic fellow criminals came to topple a democratically elected government. That's the first wrong and sart of mayhem in the Gambia.
From your own 'spirit work', go ahead and justify that overthrow in this forum for us, if you would???
I am beginning to suspect, you might have an 'interest' in this administration, but always wondered if you calculated the human rights violations associated with this crumbling administration. By fully endorsing these criminals, and supporting them even on their wrongs, openly, you have proved to all of your dictatorial instinct. I hope readers are mindful of an angry person like you, so angry that you always want to condemn any critic of this poor administrators with all the might of your aggression.
And I share greatly about the lapses of the old man's administration; a peaceful man with his many pillars; among them thieves, like argued by Baldeh and others.
I am without time now, and will ride on your debate later.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Santanfara
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 18:29:34
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Originally posted by Karamba
To confirm how disloyal Yahya Jammeh stands on the platform of history and Gambia's public service, read the link below.
http://www.thepoint.gm/For%20the%20records89.htm
KARAMBA AND DALTON ,there will always be those who will continue to do their best in covering yahyas backside but we already know all his crimes.no hiding . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 19:08:19
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Dalton I have no conflict of interest as far as the APRC is concerned I am pro-Jammeh to say any different would be hypocritical on my part. As for covering Jammeh's backside he's got that covered already. Don't you see the length of his outfits. What about you Santafara you best cover up your balls that's if you've got any! If you are so big and bad go tell the president to his face what you think of him, instead of ranting on cyberspace with your cock-eyed stories.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 19:20:17
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Dear Compatriots,
Bringing in this Jawara-Jammeh debate is futile. Just one question. Who mis/rules Gambia from the dark 22nd day of July 1994 to date, stealing, killing, and traumatising a whole civilised nation? If we reconcile that both Jawara and Jammeh and their lot stole and have engaged in corruption, can we move on? How many Gambians died in the hands of police or the army during the Jawara regime? Records had it that someone died in police cells during the 1981 foiled coup. In Jammeh's Gambia, it is a routine affair that people get killed. Outside the sphere of all development success and failures, can anyone of you give a reason why Jammeh kills people? |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jul 2007 : 19:36:41
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Back up your stories with evidence to at least make them sound credible Karamba. Really by now you should no better than to allow your imagination to run riot. After all such comments could lead to bankruptcy especially if they were found to libeless. As we we've seen lately such internet talk can translate in imprisonment in many terrestrial states.
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