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dbaldeh
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 Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 02:28:41
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"Hey I am not an arch Jawaraite but to be honest the man is great" Janyanfara
Janyanfara, my brother how do we define greatness? What is so great about Sir Dawda that we can celebrate today? Anytime we look bad don't we feel like we are not even from this country because of what has become of our nation.
Kon. execuse my ignorance, but waking up on the wrong side of history is not the worst. Doing nothing about something you could have done to prevent that ugly side of history with another opportunity to make it up is what is not forgiveable.
One thing is very clear to me and I can swear this is injected in our bone marrows, we don't know anything better than what Jawara had for Gambia sadly. If you talk to people like my mom and her age group today they still believe Jawara has miracles and is the greatest President in the whole world. Some of us the younger generation who were born during Jawara's era still believe the samething.
What is even more serious is that even though we have opened our eyes to the wider world and have seen and learned a lot, we still cannot differentiate what is great and what is not. I guess I have to come to terms with Sir Dawda and just accept him for who he is.. man without vision and if you think Jammeh found himself in State house accidentally, you must be kidding.. Jawara's Presidency will be an understatement... |
Baldeh,
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Dalton1
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 06:30:36
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"Jawara: Well, I'm not an expert to make such an assessment. I think that is a function of people like you (laughs), the reporters, the journalists and so on, particularly representing the BBC. I think that function is really for you and your reporters to assess. You've been here. I'm sure you've been able to form an opinion on the state of affairs and report it and I can assure you that if I know when you are going to report this on the BBC I'll be one of your ardent listeners."
In all honesty, I find no fault in the above. I see an elder who is being very careful with his words. I am/was too young probably to get the full meaning of those jumping on the neck of the old Pa. I have my own take on the man, especially when he reconciled with Jammeh, leaving others on the loose. But to compare Jammeh with Jawara is in itself a mistake. I bet to differ, because the two are like day and night. We must understand the environment he happens to find himself, a refugee in his own country. My assessment is centered mainly on human rights records.
I am thinking, if it was there (good), the old man would have simply uttered it without any problem. In fact, that statement will go a long way intimidating Jammeh and his despotic cronies.
Old man, hold it tight. You got my vote.
Mawdo Demba, I challenge you to forgive the old man. Understand where he is coming from in his utterance.
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 10:47:07
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Mawdo Yero, ultimately I have to forgive this man so long as he disappears from the scene. When I look and think about Jammeh I see Jawara standing in the shadow.
In fact you are right, to compare Jammeh and Jawara in itself is a disgrace for Jawara. He is better educated, had better support with the sky as his limit to put Gambia where it needed to be, he had abundant resources and man power. He chooses to be between the state house and London not knowing what was happening to his people.
There is something terribly wrong for anyone in his position to become a self imposed political refugee in the very political system he created. No mercy for people who are willing to go that low to betray their followers.
Wait a minute... did I hear that there was no human right violation during Jawara's time? This is not to say Jammeh have an iota of it, but human rights does not start with arrest and imprisonment, nor does it end with killing people physically.
It is an absolute violation of citizens' human rights to deny them access to decent education, clean drinking water, decent healthcare system, and worst even freedom to produce your own food sufficent to feed your kids. What about access to media and freedom of information? We never saw anything happening around the world unless we tuned Senegalese TV or listen to BBC. Where were all the institutions that constitutes decent democracy... come on Yero, you did not see anything wrong with all these things? and the man keep talking like a king??? I guess I don't and can't understand.. or may be am crazy... |
Baldeh,
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Santanfara
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 11:02:32
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uncle baldeh ,you are not crazy .i see jawara the same way . he was a lame dock .he let the mismanagement go on without any firm leadership grip.he was impotent to many things. i wish he just wait for the his time in silence. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 16:02:27
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Weew Jawara!!!! My proxy and total respect goes to this elderly statesman and good personality, who gave a FANTASTIC INTERVIEW
He and Jammeh are yardstick for comparisons and he cannot judge the prevailing circumstances and different political situations. Courtesy of Kons, "...in hot soup!" and he has shown diplomacy and as a very much mature politician than anybodyelse who would have suffered his faith. Certain opinions are un-acceptable by the current regime and would have backfired against him, the P.P.P and 30years of his leadership.
If you compare the two "Js". One has been in power for 30years and un-democratically toppled as a very very poorman. He rule to eran us the African Center for Human Rights Studies and never petitioned by members of the diplomatic corps.The other was much lucky with diamonds and riches to bluntly declare that "he is so rich that even his great, great grand children would never be poor again!". He boast always in the open, threatens citizens and tirades of insults levied to all sectors of the Gambian community amongst others. Ruling by force and exersise all dictates to use all assets of the nation discretionary.
Between the two era. One is characterised by peace, progress and stability and the other by anarchy, state terror, paranoid, abuse, political harassment, massive violations of human rights, contraventions of our constitution, divide & rule policies, arbitary arrests, unjustifiable detentions, in-comuunicando, ineffective judiciary system, mysterious dissappearances and deaths.
Therefore as Papi was smart to refer that to the media and the public to judge.
Finally, can anyone substantiate justification for that fateful event of July 22nd coup. Define the CORRUPTION AND ALL ALLEGATIONS CLEARLY in the interest of PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND PROBITY!
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 22:45:26
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It is an absolute violation of citizens' human rights to deny them access to decent education, clean drinking water, decent healthcare system, and worst even freedom to produce your own food sufficent to feed your kids. What about access to media and freedom of information? We never saw anything happening around the world unless we tuned Senegalese TV or listen to BBC. Where were all the institutions that constitutes decent democracy... come on Yero, you did not see anything wrong with all these things? and the man keep talking like a king??? I guess I don't and can't understand.. or may be am crazy...
Dbaldeh
Mawdo,
Maybe you were too young in 1965.Ask the old men/women then it takes a month to travel from Basse to Banjul.Perople walk or travel by bicycle.
What was the price of a bag of rice,gallon of oil,bag of sugar,ciment,corrugate ect compared to basic salaries then?Never forget the economic status at that time.
How many primary schools were in the Gambia when the british left?
How many clinics?
How many street lights?
How many fider roads?
How many female were literate?
How many graduates?
Was there an airport at all?
If you know the answer to these questions then we can talk because I would not want us to argue.After all knowledge is a virture.If you know something,then you can judge on it.
Mawdo I totalll agree with your above statement thats why I picked it up from you many statements and tried to comment on that.
My friend [size=1]Gambia day before 1965 [/size=1,GAMBIA YESTERDAY and Gambia today, cannot be compared.Had the old Pa done exactly as his successor,Barajally would have been a little paradise but he was not president of Barajally but the Gambia which comprises of many Barajallys and other villages and towns.I see people in the Gambia today saying Dr. Jammeh's mother took her marriage seriously(meanging locally "nDEYAM DEFA SAYE","aBA FUTUUTALEH","nENEEH MAKO OO MARAMAH" ect ect) because he has developed his home town.Yes He should develop His home town no doubt about that and I have no objection with that as every son or dayghter should do every effort to develop your birth place but I think to be fair to humanity,He should have developed His home town before he becames president because then He has no general resposibilies and no one then voted for him to develop their backyards and no one gave Him their taxes to provide them essential aminities.
You and many would agree with me that in late 60s and early 70s to 80s,the Gambia was food self sufficient.I remember my mum and many other Gambians mothers used to have heir stores full till they would ask neighbors for more space to store more.Millet ,coose and other basic stable food was abundant.Ask and you would be told everything.Maybe then the soil was fertile or maybe ththose days were good old days I don't know but Gambia then was nice.
Mawdo,Mawdo,"kooni achu"!
We say, "how ever ugly a dog might be,the whiteness of its teeth cannot be disputed".I know Jawara made a lot of mistakes which he negligently failed to rectify, but from where He took from sir Farimang Singhateh to July22nd 1994, should be known to His critics. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 01:54:41
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Janyfara, Mawdo Demba's assertions of the old man cannot be swept under the carpet like that. Demba is right that Pa denied us many basic things such as decent education, clean drinking the list goes on and on. That is not to say that Jammeh has done evrything he failed to give us. Jammeh gave us a TV with his right hand and took it back with his left. Fine there is a TV, but instead of being put to use for the benefit of all Gambians irrespective of their politicals affiliations, it has turned out to be Jammeh's propaganda tool . It is run by dummies who are there to please none other than Jammeh. Jammeh has provide roads and built bridges where Jawara never thought of doing. He busied himself playing golf all over the world. He was so brainwashed with the useless knighthood and so-called champion of democracy whilst his people were suffering and the counrty was going to the dogs. Lets leave it that . The Pa brought us partially where we are today. If he had provided the conducive environment where democcracy would have been nutured and educated the people to be aware of their fundamental human rights, a day like July 22, 1994 could have been averted.
That Gambia was self-sufficient in food is news to be. I remember and i think many here would remember the rice scarcity of the mid-80s. Even in elementary economics one would not compared the prices of commodities tooday to over twenty yrs ago. Even the first world where those goods were coming frm things have long changed.
Jawara was enjoying his relations wit the first world powers and their financial institutions yet what has he done ? Jahally pachaar like many agrci projects failed. Agric dept has the largest numbers of Phd holders or even double masters holders yet where has our agriculture gone to? There was co-ops, Gpmb,mixed farming etc etc. It was a sector that was highly funded yet no food sufficiency.
Finally that was the time of the cold war wen the west atleast were throwing us crumbs from their tables. NOw instead of throwing them to us they merely push them across the table to the new boys, former eastern communist countries and new members of the EU. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 09:18:32
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Mawdo,
Maybe you were too young in 1965.Ask the old men/women then it takes a month to travel from Basse to Banjul.Perople walk or travel by bicycle.
What was the price of a bag of rice,gallon of oil,bag of sugar,ciment,corrugate ect compared to basic salaries then?Never forget the economic status at that time.
How many primary schools were in the Gambia when the british left?
How many clinics?
How many street lights?
How many fider roads?
How many female were literate?
How many graduates?
Was there an airport at all?
If you know the answer to these questions then we can talk because I would not want us to argue.After all knowledge is a virture.If you know something,then you can judge on it.
Brother Janyanfara thanks for the follow up. You are right, I wasn't even born in when Jawara came to power. However, I know the answer to those questions you asked and I will attempt to summarize my position on these issues. At the end you will see why am unforgiven for Jawara.
Your above comment about the little things that Jawara did is exactly what is wrong with our vision and expectations for something better. Just because I have no food to eat, would it be justified to give me rotten food so I can survive another day?
At the very least post colonialism governments were expected to build more schools, more clinics, more roads, and sustain our basic food production. Just because we did not have many primary schools, clinics etc during the colonial days was good enough for Jawara to do just a little to make him look different from colonial rule. In fact is this not Jammeh is doing today to differentiate himself from Jawara? Build a TV station, few roads, schools, clinics in the name of developing a country and all you know is he has taken away everything that belongs to the Gambian people. This is what we call development?
Now allow me to elaborate on the issues. No body would expect the same bag of rice to cost the same as in 30 years ago. No one expects the same clinics or primary schools built with mud blocks to become solid institutions without sustainability. These are the areas were Jawara failed forever
1. No sound educational system was created to accomodate future generation like growing demand and teachers atlest not with one college for 1.5 million people.
2. Not even a basic agricultural system to support local production was encourage. Instead our people who produce locally were systematically made impotent by giving them expired rice called "TUSEMANO AND TULLO"
3. Not a single viable institution of democracy was established under the Jawara regime. Everything was waiting to collapse..
4. Healthcare, Oh my lord, Dispensaries was Jawara's long term plan for the Gambian people...
5. Transportation - trans-Gambia was good enough for the Gambian people?
These are just few areas to give you a hint.
You talked about Electricity and street light? Are you kidding me.. where were day, State house? You mention graduates from what High School because there wasn't a college per se? Airport, where? in Yundum? you call that an airport? women literate that was an archievement under Jawara?
Janyanfara, my brother I don't have to know these things you mentioned were not there for us to have them. All I know is that I went to primary school sitting on the dirt under a tree to read this was in the early 80s. We went to high school writing on our labs the only government sponsored boarding school? We did not have access to clean drinking water not to talk about clinics. What about food, oh Gambia was self sufficient in food production? Subsistence farming for self sufficient food production?
Oh am so sorry I can't seems to stop writing because am already emotional about these things. You mean to tell me those measures you mentioned are good enough to sustain a nation and its people? Come on... call a spade a spade.
Madiba is right on spot, Jawara failed in every measure possible as a leader of a nation... Jammeh is heading to worst direction because he looks back and think like Janyanfara. Oh few more roads are enough, TV station is good enough?
When shall we use our brains and know that we deserve the best the world can offer. How could we be contended with so little and so low for our people? I am really sorry that we still think and act that way...
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 10:55:01
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Thats for me to address later not for Janyafara, kids!
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Mawdo,
Maybe you were too young in 1965.Ask the old men/women then it takes a month to travel from Basse to Banjul.Perople walk or travel by bicycle.
What was the price of a bag of rice,gallon of oil,bag of sugar,ciment,corrugate ect compared to basic salaries then?Never forget the economic status at that time.
How many primary schools were in the Gambia when the british left?
How many clinics?
How many street lights?
How many fider roads?
How many female were literate?
How many graduates?
Was there an airport at all?
If you know the answer to these questions then we can talk because I would not want us to argue.After all knowledge is a virture.If you know something,then you can judge on it.
Brother Janyanfara thanks for the follow up. You are right, I wasn't even born in when Jawara came to power. However, I know the answer to those questions you asked and I will attempt to summarize my position on these issues. At the end you will see why am unforgiven for Jawara.
Your above comment about the little things that Jawara did is exactly what is wrong with our vision and expectations for something better. Just because I have no food to eat, would it be justified to give me rotten food so I can survive another day?
At the very least post colonialism governments were expected to build more schools, more clinics, more roads, and sustain our basic food production. Just because we did not have many primary schools, clinics etc during the colonial days was good enough for Jawara to do just a little to make him look different from colonial rule. In fact is this not Jammeh is doing today to differentiate himself from Jawara? Build a TV station, few roads, schools, clinics in the name of developing a country and all you know is he has taken away everything that belongs to the Gambian people. This is what we call development?
Now allow me to elaborate on the issues. No body would expect the same bag of rice to cost the same as in 30 years ago. No one expects the same clinics or primary schools built with mud blocks to become solid institutions without sustainability. These are the areas were Jawara failed forever
1. No sound educational system was created to accomodate future generation like growing demand and teachers atlest not with one college for 1.5 million people.
2. Not even a basic agricultural system to support local production was encourage. Instead our people who produce locally were systematically made impotent by giving them expired rice called "TUSEMANO AND TULLO"
3. Not a single viable institution of democracy was established under the Jawara regime. Everything was waiting to collapse..
4. Healthcare, Oh my lord, Dispensaries was Jawara's long term plan for the Gambian people...
5. Transportation - trans-Gambia was good enough for the Gambian people?
These are just few areas to give you a hint.
You talked about Electricity and street light? Are you kidding me.. where were day, State house? You mention graduates from what High School because there wasn't a college per se? Airport, where? in Yundum? you call that an airport? women literate that was an archievement under Jawara?
Janyanfara, my brother I don't have to know these things you mentioned were not there for us to have them. All I know is that I went to primary school sitting on the dirt under a tree to read this was in the early 80s. We went to high school writing on our labs the only government sponsored boarding school? We did not have access to clean drinking water not to talk about clinics. What about food, oh Gambia was self sufficient in food production? Subsistence farming for self sufficient food production?
Oh am so sorry I can't seems to stop writing because am already emotional about these things. You mean to tell me those measures you mentioned are good enough to sustain a nation and its people? Come on... call a spade a spade.
Madiba is right on spot, Jawara failed in every measure possible as a leader of a nation... Jammeh is heading to worst direction because he looks back and think like Janyanfara. Oh few more roads are enough, TV station is good enough?
When shall we use our brains and know that we deserve the best the world can offer. How could we be contended with so little and so low for our people? I am really sorry that we still think and act that way...
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Dalton1
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 13:42:00
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Mawdos Demba & Madiba,
I just want to make sure, we are not comparing Jammeh and Jawara, all six-lettered words, but wide space of difference. In pular, we say "Allah/God" heh (and) "alladuu/horn". The two cannot be compared. I understand both of your frustrations on the old man. In fact, that porous system (ppp) gave birth to the current nightmare called Jammehism (a(f)prc).
We may if we like, outline the weakness of the former administration, in their areas of failure, but my Challenge remains, the two cannot compare. The meat of two hens cannot be used in balancing the meat of two cows on the different side of the scale.
But Demba, like Madiba, has some tangible points, worth pinning that administration for a blame, for the many lapses.
In my little understanding from the interview, the old man did good. It would have been a different story, if he did endorse them like others openly do. "pa bee hamna limoo deff. nyunla duudal, johla lep, rewyut laa. doh tok, noppih??? Pulli yee nyuneh -gertogal heh labbi lamdoh, saa dil lih tan mee warmah"-the old man knows what he is doing. he is being sufficed, not killed. Won't you sit down and be quiet???In pullar, adage goes: the king's sharp knife on the hen, and any movement, "paat", the neck is off.
But thank you all for a healthy and enlightening debate.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 13:49:50
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kondorong,
By him not making mention of a word about what is before the whole wide world, that is itself a huge volume of tacid (unspoken) knowledge. The old man keeping a tight lip over what is best known to all, is a subject of proper reflection. You have it right by pointing to his TOR. There is no doubt some conditions would have been spelt out. The last thing anyone will hear Jawara utter is to openly speak his mind during an interview for public consumption. Speech and communication experts will surely pick the grain from the chaff. Communication is a complex process.
Jawara is still part of Gambian politics and free to speak his mind at his own discretion,when confronted with issues. He gave a FANTASTIC INTERVIEW as Karamba's comments speaks volumes above; "Speech and communication experts will surely pick the grain from the chaff. Communication is a complex process." DOES ANYONE HAS THE RIGHT PUT WORDS FOR HIM OR DICTATE HIS OPINIONS, ABOUT WHAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO SAY OR NOT? I DON'T THINK SO!Therefore brothers please reflect once again on that interview that has been granted with courtesy. However a CRITICAL THINKING PROCESS has been triggered on this interview. I do respect your opinions but applaud Jawara as very mature politician and good statesman!!
If you take refuge or became a fugitive for political reasons and offered to be granted immunity to safely return and assured SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, everyone would accept it.
The Old Pa and his 30 years of leadership has done ENOUGH FOR THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND, although others might say otherwise as its easy to be saying cheap things than seeing or acknowledged meaningful developments and achivements at macro level. Governance is about THE STATE, DEMOCRACY, POLITICS, STEWARDSHIP & PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY.
Janyafara has done well trying to exposed the postives of Jawara's legacy and I would attempt to built on that in PARTS gradually, to share our experiences and knowledge without qualms please! Jawara and P.P.P started a long way in nation building in the 60s and by that time, at what stage was Gambia then in terms of RESOURCES AND DEVELOPMENT? What have they INHERITED? What was the POLITICS ABOUT? What were the PRIORITIES over the THREE DECADES? Thats a good history lesson and I don't have time for any research on PRE-INDEPENDENCE and POST in terms of INFRASTRUCTURES, THE ECONOMY ETC. However I can only deduced that Gambia was not blessed from its colonial masters like our neighbours SENEGAL with many infrastructures and intitutions to make DAKAR as much advance than BANJUL.
Jawara and P.P.P. led us on THREE PHASES OF DEVELOPLMENT; i.e INDEPENDENCE, REPUBLIC AND MODERNISATION. However over the decades Jawara was in power there was PEACE, STEADY PROGRESS, BETTER DEMCRACY & STABILITY! Janyafara was right to some extent that there was self-suffiency as basic needs were affordable. The ECONOMY was good also as DROUGHT has been overcame, trade seasons were good to culminate in seeing strides in GAMBIA COMMERCIAL & DEVELOPMENT BANK, AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT BANK; MIXED-FARMING CENTERS, BOUYANT COOPERATIVES UNION, THE GAMBIA PRODUCE MARKETING BOARD, AGRICULTURAL DEVELOPMENT BANK and on FISHERIES, we had seen SEAGULL FISHERIES AND NATIONAL PARTNERSHIP ENTERPRISE (N.P.E) thriving and created EMPLOYMENT AND BOOSTED THE ECONOMY. The Banjul Ports with the FERRIES from plying between Banjul & Barra; from wooden poor ferries to those modern ones out there, Gambia Public Transport Corporations, Gambia Ntional Insurance Cooperations etc, etc.These insitutions suffered failures by not propeerly handled by GAMBIANS (not Jawara), culminating in mis-management and massive corruption; gradual destruction of THE ECONOMY. The ELECTRICITY CRISES was CREATED BY GAMBIANS ENGINEERS that led a STRIKE to SABOTAGE The P.P.P. government on wage demands on Tobaski day in 1978 by blewing our major Electricity Generators. Since then, G.U.C and N.A.W.E.C failed because of the serious repercussions of that STRIKE ACTION. Development was on our doorstep but some GAMBIANS WERE ACCOUNTABLE for certain setbacks!
Furthermore on meaningful development we have seen PRIVATE SECTOR INVESTMENT AND SMALL SCALE BUSINESSES thrived, NON-GOVERNMENT ORGANISATIONS established to complent government as Gambia boom POLPULATIONWISE. The Gambia Family Planning Association became established, Womens Bureau and many Social Welfare Programs iniated. Journalism and private media were free to act within the limits of law, WITHOUT FEAR OR SANCTIONED WITH HARSH LAWS!
On has to realised what characterised the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 20s before you say certain sweep[ing statements. By the time Jawara was ousted GAMTEL made Gambia leading with its COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY. Our HEALTH AND EDUCATION was stable and improved gradually. Medication was afforadable and supplied at hospitals and health care centers. The School feeding program was also there for sometime under Education and World Food Program as drought reliefs etc. The Royal Victoria Hospital and M.R.C were doing well until the POLPULATION EXPLOSION in the Gambia. One has to be realistic and appreciate that lots of factors are crucial in development and policy issues.
What has Jammeh and A.(F.)P.R.C. INHERITED, from Old Pa Jawara and P.P.P? I have this to share with Jawara's critics. Jawara's LEGACY included a lots of SOUND POLICIES. They did the HOMEWORK FOR GAMBIA'S DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF MOST THE INFRASTRUCTURES that off-shot now including The National TV, The University, Rural Water Supply, Roads and Schools to name few PROJECTS. Key players were B.B.Darboe on the EDUCATION POLICY, CULTURAL POLICY; O.J.Jallow on SPORTS POLICY, YOUTH POLICY (included The N.Y.S.S and was for 10years orextended beyond 1994). Dr. Angelio; U.N.D.P Resident Representative commissioned a VERY COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT UNDER POVERTY ALLEVIATION PROGRAM. That included the Rural Water Supply Projects and other Projects demanded by the community. ALL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, (INCLUDING MINISTRIES & DEPARTMENTS), All MUNICIPALITIES AND AREA COUNCILS had workshops and seminars to collect and a DOSSIER or DATABANK OF PROJECT PROSALS; including The National T.V and University was compiled for FINANCING through U.N.D.P FUNDING AND OTHER SOUCCES; i.e. WORLD BANK, EUROPEAN (E.E.C), COMMONWEALTH AND JAPANESE (on fisheries development), etc. When Jawara was toppled and there were sanctions but the International Community fought for those FUNDS that were already APPROVED AND TO BE REALESED OR DISBURSED just around the COUP, not to be denied to GAMBIANS. Those FUNDS were made available and Jammeh capitalised on the ADVANCED FEASIBILITY STUDIES AND NATIONAL T.V PROJECT to set up the G.R.T.S. as top priority for POLITICAL GAINS. The Vice President Isatou Njie Saidy served U.N.D.P and under Dr. Angelio, is well seasoned on Project Implementation and Management earn her credit for that appointment by Jammeh for expert advise. Slow implentation and red-tape policies cost Jawara and P.P.P to be ROBBED SOLDIERS FROM AN ARMY THEY NORTURED, OF MILLIONS OF DALASIS. coming to GAMBIA through their efforts just few moths before that fateful July 22nd 1994!
More Later!
NB: Let Gainako pick up some vital information and make further research to authenticate my opinions. FACT FINDING EXERCISE can be conducted from GAMBIAN ARCHIVES about the various PROJECTS each government department or government agency developed prior to July 1994. Further interviews can also be forwarded from former politicians and policy makers at the helm of Jawara's government.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 14:42:32
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http://www.thepoint.gm/Editorial345.htm
Kobo, Madi and Demba, and critique the above for us.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 17:22:45
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Kobo,
That is exactly what I mean to convey in the message that APRC/Jammeh/July 22 as the most evil and deceptive for Gambians. Jammeh is a typical bandit. Watch his face and read his crooked mind. Let us keep the records for rectification. Karl, can you see the extent of deceptive politics played by this armed robber? Yet he prefers Gambians to jubilate and celebrate, for what? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 19:56:42
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| I am taking no sides in this but what I will say,is that the president in accepting Jawara back and allowing him to live his life at home was a good thing,perhaps one of the few things that took personal courage bearing in mind the way Africal politics work.The 60's were a different era,some say good, some say bad,some old men I have even heard saying that they preferred Gambia when it was a British colony! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2007 : 22:31:07
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Kobo, you are entitled to your opinion. I am old enough to have witnessed both regimes. Why should Jawara and his PPP wait for 30yrs before thinking of giving us a University? A TV? Kombo coastal roads? Kerewan Bridge? etc etc. Atleast Jammeh is doing things that should have been there long before. If Guinea Bissau , Cape Verde countries that became independent 10yrs after The Gambia, could manage decent TVs, why not The Gambia?
Jawara is a master of deception and a cruel ruler. He kept the masses in dark for three good decades for his cronies and their children to plunder the Gambian economy to the detriment of the Gambian masses. Kobo, you may have knowledge or doc abt their stone age projects that never took off the ground. But i would remind you that I have worked in both administrations both as a junior staff and a middle manager. For the records, the University Of The Gambia only existed in file, which was a confidential file. I have had accessed to that file in my course of work. I have seen things that for fear of being disrespectful to some old policy makers then, some of whom are now dead, i would have said it here. But as a day of reckoning would come one day, when both past PPP policy makers and APRC policy makers would be sujected to a truth and reconciliation commission when i would bolding stand out to testify against atrocities i have witnessed INSHALLAH. To just give a hint amongst the reasons advanced for the Jawara regime to not bring university education to the poor of The Gambia, they said it would be RECIPE FOR INSTABILITY. You see the callousness of these people, their children where being sent to overseas to study and the rest of mankind is asked to go to FBC(sierra Leone) or Nigeria or remain have educated. Where is PEACE, JUSTICE AND FAIR PLAY? I said it here that BB when he was Minister of Education made the Ministry of Education to foot the airfares for the batch of students who went to IIU of Malaysia, becos his daughter AWA DABO was amongst the lot. After that batch the subsequent batches were asked to pay for their airfares? How can a son or daughter of a farmer in Pinai Niamina afford such?
I said before and i will say it here again. Jawara brought us the khaki boys. He created the army, thinkiing that only society's mis-fits would head there. The soldiers were poorly paid, poorly housed, not to mention their families. After championing the formation of ECOMOG in Banjul, Jawara's gov't would be the first to deny the war veterans their dues. To further rub salt into the wounds, the gendemrie were favoured against the army.
The economy was already in the drains and the greedy looters never took heed. Even wen the no nonsense people of Brikama refused to be forced into slavery in their own homes by selling water to them.
The ultimate had to happen. Coup July22 1994.
Look we can FORGIVE THE PPP BUT NEVER FORGET. I leave it here, to be continued if necesary. |
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