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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
 Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 00:24:46
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| Karamba there was no ambiquity in your posting. It was clearly written for your target audience to comprehend. I must concurred with your claim. However, a friend of mine gained admission to GTTI and did AAT technician through this youth scheme, and now lives in UK with his family. I think that was a positive move by Jammeh government, only that few were able to succeed. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 00:29:35
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Karamba we are still waiting for you to unravel your mysterious thesis This time you have bitten more than you can chew. You see , Jammeh and his APRC have done some good but have a large chunk to improve upon.Unexplained deaths, arbitrary arrests, lack of a completely free press etc . I for one believe that we need a change or break from APRC rule. We have seen a decade of what they can and cannot achieve. In my humble view, we should try to see a responsible gov't succeed the APRC ASAP. It will take our concerted efforts to realise that dream. We should at all times try to aviod politics of calomny, slander, lies etc to achieve our objectives. Lies dont last long. Despite all that, we should let sanity reign. I told you earlier that you must take care least you eat your FOOTO with SAND! Forward the Gambia Our Homeland to paraphrase our brother KOBO. |
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Karl
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 00:58:23
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Karamba,
Immediately i read your statement regarding the topic, one particular aspect was streight away clear to me. That's the manner in which the Jammeh administration specifically targeted youths as a mean of persuasion at the expense of the very youths in question. I believe, the issue at stake here is the vital part youths play with misguided concepts empowering Jammeh's desire to dictate the nation. For eg, the so called Green-Boys and their tendancy to occasionally ignore the legal formalities as they carry out their and political activities in favour of the ruling party. This is what is damaging. So therefore, unlike Madiba, Breadman and Mansasulu your points make sense to me. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 00:59:56
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Ebra,
In my posting it is already stated that some of the youth pursued vocational training and apprenticeship schemes. This means I recognise that valuable aspect of the scheme. If you dig into the matter of the very few, like your friend, you are sure to land on some things we may all not know.
Madiba, you sound bit funny with the strange position. You will have a package of surprise if you keep believing that I have a grievance to settle with Jammeh. Take some air and think deep. For the last 13 years, scores of people have disappeared and died with no responsible explanation from the government. Yahya Jammeh is the chief custodian of a system that is carrying those killings. Up to the last drop of energy, that conduct will be condemned to the lowest depths and the highest levels. What is your stake? If you are worried about these postings, better don't read them. Where is the bulk of LIES you refer to. Dig out one statement of false in all my postings and see if I refuse to admit my fault. Better still, generate other issues to divert attention. As normal human being, I will not stand and watch such brutal state of affairs. Even if Jammeh secures a landing space for Gambians on an alien planet, he is responsible for the killings and will be addressed and held accountable. That is good enough mission to pursue if anyone cares. Stop dreaming and face it. The account of innocent lives is different from the Taj Mahal airport terminal or the Tower Bridge of Kerewan Bolong. My focus is on these brutal killings and mistreatment of citizens and nothing changes that. Try something else but seeking to draw me from that, forget that. You have your choice, I have mine. Feel free, no qualms, whatsoever. If you are in doubt if this is a personal grudge, the answer is NO. It is a national concern. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 11:25:39
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Karamba, stop dilly-dallying and give us the answer to the mighty puzzle. Swallow the pride and accept that this time around you got it wrong. You can't force it down my throat.
My stake? so you didn't know? I am a true Gambian who loves my country and a Muslim who abhors slander and lies. The Gambia as someone has said before is not Yahya Jammeh. The Gambia dwarfs all individuals. I want a change. BUt we should not use the vehicle of smear campaign to attain our goals. Lets pick up the pieces and get to work. With open minds , sincerity , sacrfice and hardwork we will succeed in undoing this system. The APRC system.
Have a good day. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 15:16:03
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Karamba, innocent people have disappeared in Gambia, people were brutally murdered by Jammeh's security forces etc...these are undeniable facts and we are all concerned and truelly worried as patriotic citizens. However, some of us choose not to deny positive facts about the regime. If you chose not to recognize or acknowledge simple facts that NYSS provided opportunities for youths who may never have gotten a chance, then we have a big problem. I have a great deal of respect for you as shown in your postings time and again, but you are stooping way too low.
What you are engaging in may not seem to you what it really is, but being economical with the truth is the same as lying! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 15:41:07
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Karamba we are still waiting for you to unravel your mysterious thesisThis time you have bitten more than you can chew. You see , Jammeh and his APRC have done some good but have a large chunk to improve upon.Unexplained deaths, arbitrary arrests, lack of a completely free press etc . I for one believe that we need a change or break from APRC rule. We have seen a decade of what they can and cannot achieve. In my humble view, we should try to see a responsible gov't succeed the APRC ASAP. It will take our concerted efforts to realise that dream. We should at all times try to aviod politics of calomny, slander, lies etc to achieve our objectives. Lies dont last long. Despite all that, we should let sanity reign. I told you earlier that you must take care least you eat your FOOTO with SAND! Forward the Gambia Our Homeland to paraphrase our brother KOBO.
I tend to differ on some points with you Madiba and Mansasula. In my opinion Karamba's scenario (not a thesis per se!) provokes interesting reading, analysis and application as tests and assessment of Government's Youth Policy, its effectiveness and limitations.
Karamba's topic of "blind victims of Jammeh" are some unfortunate youths within the figures that is depicted by Karamba. There are also the urban youths and rural youths who have different agenda and sense of development. Some may have benefited from the National Youth Service Scheme but many are failures and the NERVE SYNDROME (GOING TO EUROPE) makes them lazy but are a social menace.
However I do hope Kramba can further elaborate his points on APPRAISAL OF THE YOUTH POLICY under Jammeh?
Madi the following link corresponds with the positive comments you highlighted; A citizen sees a different Gambia under Jammeh huhhttp://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4057
However the atrocities and other failures are of grave concern to most of us in support of FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 16:18:29
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Reading, Comprehension, and Interpretation are all crucial to dealing with written information. You Mansasulu and Madiba put together, make up two out of 1.5 million Gambian brothers and sisters. Your interpretation is yours. Why not take a break and allow the remaining million and half Gambians to exercise their gift of wisdom. On this very occasion, I place the two of you before the one million brotherhood of Gambia with this topic. Pick one sentence and the untrue value of it. Then let the brotherhood decide who is with fact or fiction. Otherwise, keep firm grip of your unflinching position; which by no means holds any bearing on me. Are you ashame to re-read and digest simple text, word for word, for message and meaning? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 18:11:02
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Kobo, i honestly can't see any analysis etc on Jammeh's Youth policy in Karamba's thread. Its a great topic, but unfortunately it was not duely treated. The NERVE SYNDROME was there before even Jammeh and co high-jacked power. I suffered nerves too. Many of my friends then in Form Five or the Sixth Form suffered too. But am happy to report that most, if not all who made it over or were unable but decided to make a meaning out of their lives, succeeded. That success is measured in academic accomplishments which landed them respectable jobs. Few like myself unable to make ealier took time re-structured. I read in Africa, worked for the Gambia gov't and some parastatal before landing myself here for more acdemic accomplishment.
You will be surprised that most of these youths can hardly read and write, they will shun jobs back home just to do worse things overseas.
We Gambians should wake up from our oblivious slumber, the world is not waiting. We should do away with the theory of sow, harvest and eat in ur life time. We have to sow today, for our children to harvest tomorrow and for their children to eat the day after. In other words we must be ready to be trailblazers. Lets start the building wherever we stop(die)the future generation will continue from there. No one wants to take responsibilty. If other Africans can flood into the Gambia and make ends meet, that means the potentials are there ready to be exploited. If you go to most towns and Banjul in mornings and evenings groups of young people , sitting by drinking attaya, talking nonsense from morning to lunchtime. The vous takes a break goes home to eat. In most cases there is only a person responsible for feeding that family, or some family in Europe or elsewhere sending money back home(hard-earned cash). In such situations how can poverty be a thing of the past? A dozen or so able-bodied youth depending on one person? If we all took our responsibilities coupled with the right enabling environment provided by the gov't and others(partners/donors) then poverty if not conquered would be highly reduced.
Karamba my brother i respect you as any other Gambian who wants a better Gambia, albeit telling you how i feel abt ur writings is a duty. NO HARD FEELINGS! FORWARD THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2007 : 19:59:17
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For the wider benefits of positive interplay, here is another way of looking at the same picture. The youth population being mobilised and exploited for political gains is no new game in politics of deception. It is exactly what is happening in Gambia too. Without the Youth Service Scheme and similar youth ventures, some very ambitious youth would have still excelled in life. There are success stories of Gambians who left the homeland at tender age with no PAPER. No paper, meaning, no proper travel document or academic credentials. Subsequently some of these at later age reached the highest platform of success if success means material possession and academic titles combined. In the case of National Youth Service, lot of the youth who now count as success stories (congratulation to them) would have had the burning desire to succeed. They set their goals and the Scheme perhaps served as mere springboard.
On the numbers 7 and 25 once again. 13+7 =20. Someone at age 20 today is considered an active youth. Those at this age (20) could not relate to life outside the APRC era. Now they are 20, and being made to believe that APRC is a government of and for THE YOUTH. They are being robbed with phoney schemes. Those at age 12 by 1994 (now age 25) 12+13=25. At age 12 (by 1994), they have not attained a seasoned level of political reasoning. Now at 25, they are being made to believe the regime is a youth regime. That is deception. The youth population is being manipulated and made into POLITICAL CAPITAL for Jammeh and APRC self perpetration much in the same way other political exploiters around the globe continue doing to their youth population. Take the case of CHILD SOLDIERS!! They have been exploited too. Who dares deny the fact that Gambian youth are not being exploited for selfish political gains? The proportion of Gambian youth that can be counted as success story is far below the numbers being exploited to keep this regime of terror and brutality up to this time, 13 years since armed fellows broke grounds on Gambian soil. Where is the TRUE or FALSE debate about this? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 19:04:33
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The youth that waved green flags and banners in support of president Jammeh, are now being dragged to court for insulting him. What an irony !!
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2244.htm |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 11:03:12
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culled from the point news paper .some youths are jailed for allegedly insulting yahya .what happen between yahya and the youths 9
(patriotic youths )i mean? or is that the youths are getting fade up.is yahya's grand deception of the youths finaly unveil ?
read the points report .
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2287.htm |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 12:19:15
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| the young men were among other things charged with unlawful assembly.. How in he world can the police pick out 20 young men at charge them from a gathering like that. I bet there were hundreds of people when the president was unveiling the monument. This is rediculous.They have the right to stand there just as anyone else. And if they are not happy about the president they have the right to let him know that he is not doing a good job. Jammeh should ask himself why those young mn risk their lives to get out of the country from the first place |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 20:50:40
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Sibo,
That was the reason for raising this issue of Gambian youths being blind victims of Jammeh. Read the start of the topic and see what the Jammeh die -hard patriots flatly challenging that Yahya Jammeh is not deceiving the youth. Let them explain this one. |
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