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mansasulu
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 Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 19:10:17
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You are right kayjatta
Free speech is not about sugarcoating news. Its also about the good, bad and the ugly. Just like Democracy is not just about the right to associate with any party, its also about the right to not associate in the first place.
Gambian patriot
Please see the posting below by mansasulu. He was talking about decency. He seems to have appointed himself as the Vice Police
"I have said it here on numerous occasions that this man (NDERRY)is a not only a mockery of the profession of journalism, but the lowest standards of human decency. This is almost becoming a weekly occurence...first it was Jambang,then Jawara, and now Darboe"
Mansasulu,
What new levels of human decency have you now come up with and what authority do you have in determining what is decent or not and what is low or high interms of morale.
You see, you are judging him from your own experiences in life and for Gods sake, you cannot clone everyone to be like you. Lets celebrate free speech and i must admit i have learnt some new things from the discussions which i would not ordinarily have learnt had we all towed the same line.
LETS CELEBRATE FREE SPEECH.
I think some people have a huge challenge and impediment understanding simple issues. Free speech has nothing to do with this. Freedom of speech is a basic human right that we are all entitle to. That right does not extend to a license to slander and lie about other people. It is rather ironic that everyone who falls out with Pa Nderry has an "asylum issue" as he is claiming. All of these people have confirmed the belief of many in the outside world that what is going on at freedomnewspaper is not free speech but systematic and premiditated character assasination, lies, and facade.
I found it rather odd that Kondorong cant seem to get this simple fact. Let us all celebrate free speech as it should be, but it is rather discouraging that there are people who dont seem to understand that there is a huge difference between geniune free speech and disingenious "free" speech punctuated by slander.
What do you know about my experiences in life? I express no ownership or exclusive right to decency. Rather its is a universally positive human attribute, just like free speech is a universal human right. The facts speak volumes now in the case of Pa Nderry. For God shake, the man has a long and uncheckered history of falling out with people and all these people cant be wrong about his motives. May I submit to you that his motives have nothing to do with the truth. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 20:11:00
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Originally posted by mansasulu
May I submit to you that his motives have nothing to do with the truth.
How did you know that the man's motives have nothing to do with the truth. Are you among those he has stepped on?
Can you share with us more. You seem to be hiding something. This is why i say you have appointed yourself as the Vice Police otherwise you must be privy to something.
You see, free speech opens up more dialogue. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 20:54:37
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It is kind of ironic isn't it? That all these champions of free speech failed to understand that it is the same freedom that people like myself exercised by criticizing nderry's blatant rubbish. What then is the beef all about? If you can tolerate nderry's daily dribble, why do you find it hard to tolerate his critics?
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mansasulu
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 21:48:14
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by mansasulu
May I submit to you that his motives have nothing to do with the truth.
How did you know that the man's motives have nothing to do with the truth. Are you among those he has stepped on?
I think we are beyond what his motives are. His former partners have provided us enough of what his real motives are. For your information, I do not personally know Pa Nderry, neither do any of my close kin. Furthermore, may I submit to you that none of my kin has ever served in government whether in the past, or under the current autocratic regime. I am not privy to anything, have no dogs in any fight, but I will stand for the truth. I am merely defending decency, if that makes me a vice police so be it.
What you fail to understand is that not every person who speaks for or against any situation has an ax to grind. My conscience is clear and I will continue to stand for what is right, be it the injustice of Jammeh or the disingenuity of Pa Nderry.
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:03:49
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Mansasulu wrote:
What you fail to understand is that not every person who speaks for or against any situation has an ax to grind. My conscience is clear and I will continue to stand for what is right, be it the injustice of Jammeh or the disingenuity of Pa Nderry.
That sums it up very nicely. They are conflating critics of nderry's behavior with free speech police. They don't have to lecture me on free speech. I got it down packed and I am exercising it till kingdom cometh.
If they want to defend the trash nderry is spewing, they are entitled to do just that.But to try and admonish nderry's critics using pseudo free speech lectures is disingenuous to say the least.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:04:15
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Originally posted by mansasulu
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Originally posted by kondorong
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Originally posted by mansasulu
May I submit to you that his motives have nothing to do with the truth.
How did you know that the man's motives have nothing to do with the truth. Are you among those he has stepped on?
My conscience is clear and I will continue to stand for what is right, be it the injustice of Jammeh or the disingenuity of Pa Nderry.
Yes your conscience is clear and you have every right to stand up for what you believe is right. However, would you not please exercise some restraint for others to also stand up for what they believe is right. Who is right or wrong depends on which side your bread is buttered.
No one person has the morale clout to defining what is right. What is right for you, may not be for others. Please not that you are right in what you believe in.
LETS CELEBRATE FREE SPEECH. |
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GambianPatriot
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:12:04
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Kondorong wrote:
I am not a defender of his paper.
I wonder why you are not defending his paper? I may be a little slow here, but how do you disassociate his speech from the avenue from which he spews it forth. His paper is his speech. No? If they are two distinct entities, then why do you refused to defend his paper? |
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shaka
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 22:52:57
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| Freedom of speech may seem like your human right until you are a gangster's "pretty boy" in a North Carolina jail, banged up for slander, defamation of character or libel. By the time your "batty" recovered and you learn to walk again properly you would have learnt the bitter lesson about the limitations to freedom of speech. The only reason Pa Nderry is spared this predicament is because he tossing garbage at his Gambian brothers and sisters, who would hesitate to bring down a brother. But then again there is so much anybody can swallow. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 23:31:45
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My my, have all these things happened to you Shaka? I must say, prisonlife is very different from everyday life in the open where people, even journalists, have a job to do and they have to try and do it as best as they can.
Must say, i'm so glad that i don't live in North Carolina. But then, i have never seen a prison from the inside and i'd like to keep it that way. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 23:34:07
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Originally posted by GambianPatriot
Kondorong wrote:
I am not a defender of his paper.
I wonder why you are not defending his paper? I may be a little slow here, but how do you disassociate his speech from the avenue from which he spews it forth. His paper is his speech. No? If they are two distinct entities, then why do you refused to defend his paper?
yes in legal terms there is a difference between him and the paper.
I dont support any paper because i am not the authors of their stories and privy to their sources. Unless you are privy to such sources but which you have yet to admit, please let us the chance to separate the seeds from the husks. We are capable of seeing without added pairs of eyes.
You are not a good matreial witness because you have indicated in your site that your objective is to expose him. Therefore you have a stake in the success or failure of the man's outlet. That makes you a weak potential witness.
In a court of law, a defence attorney will rip you apart before you take your oath.
I want as much information as possible so that i can make an informed judgement and that includes any information.
I am out of this topic. Thanks for your contribution. I appreciate them and have been valuable.
LET FREE SPEECH RING FROM STATEHOUSE TO THE OYESTER SWAMPS OF MILE SEVEN |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 23:43:22
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| "has this ever happened to you Shaka...." Is that meant to be funny Anna? |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 23:48:21
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| No, it isn't really - sorry! But your description was so ..graphic. Maybe you're not even a 'pretty boy'. Shaka, i didn't mean to be sarcastic. But you could've come up with other examples of situations where freedom of speech is jeopardised. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 00:01:03
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| Does libel, defamation of character and slander not ring a bell in your world. I guess even prisoners exercise free speech. That you have not heard about physical abuse of prisoners by fellow inmates makes you statement the more insulting to me. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 00:10:49
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| I have heard about it, and i didn't mean to insult. Again: sorry! What more can i say but goodnight for now and i will try to be less flippant in future. Really, i apologise - i know there is no funny side to this, no matter from what side you look at it. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jul 2007 : 00:17:25
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| strange how the defenders of free speech are telling me what to say and how to say it. Funny world this. |
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