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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
 Posted - 10 Jul 2007 : 22:32:29
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Karamba, you may be hot but we need to use our heads and not the heart. I think the Mandinkas say if care is not taken you may eat your FOOTO with sand. To avoid that situation we must not act as savages to bring Jammeh and his cohorts to book. I had in the past called your attention to the fact most of your postings are against the person of Jammeh. Jammeh as a person doesn't kill people albeit as President of The Gambia those killings and arrests, torture etc etc could be sanctioned by him. All this while all we are doing is speculating. Until a court is set-up where Jammeh and his cohorts could be tried to establish the truth about all the atrocities they accused of, we are merely putting the cart before the horse. There potential witnesses in and out of The Gambia, who when its time would readily volunteer to testify in court.In as much as we want to see Jammeh go, Jammeh is not alone in it. For thuggery to persists there must be those who abate and nurture it. Karamba there was no-way that i suggested that Jammeh is innocent. I used the term may be (uncertainty). This is because am not privy to the concret evidence linking him to those murders. As a democrat, i believe in the rule of law. As advocates for democracy and fairplay, we must practice ,least we fall to the level of Jammeh and his cohorts.Moussa Traore of Mali and many of his ilks have passed thru a court of law before anything has been passed on them. Amadou Toumani Toure could have excecuted Traore immediately but he put him in front of a recognised court. Further more it may interest you to know that amongst those freed is an in-law. I, like many Gambians have suffered the wrath/brutality of this regime, yet am not losing my head by calling for Jammeh's raw blood.Its like killing the mother viper and sparing the off-springs.
Mawdo Dalton1, dnt think that your brother is gone nuts. Am not! I was not in town when the guys came to power in 1994. I was overseas studying. I returned later to work. I worked under them for some yrs and decided to go for further studies resigning my position then. However, i believe that its time Jammeh goes and someone/others come in to save our country. I believe having seen both Jammeh and Jawara rules, i think those coming should know where our priorities lie.
ON JARAAMA.ALA BARAKA. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 10 Jul 2007 : 23:12:00
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Dalton1 dnt think that your brother is gone nuts. Am not! I was not in town when the guys came to power in 1994. I was overseas studying. I returned later to work. I worked under them for some yrs and decided to go for further studies resigning my position then.
Thank you Mawdo Madi. Honestly, far from it. and thanks for that particular clarification.I would have to get used to your threads.
but i was wondering why Saddam Husein was 'gallowed' if shakespeare will borrow me that word? Saddam wasn't going to do the acts with his own hand, was he? i am happy for you, you resigned, but if you won't mind sharing, what motivated you to leave? and thanks while there is time.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 00:37:04
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Madiba,
You have the wrong reading with any assumption that I am HOT. What for? Very far from that. I have very clear and stable mindset and far from grudge or malice. Read my postings properly to give yourself a GUIDED OPINION of where I stand. All I write has nothing personal about. Jammeh is drawn in the equation because he promised to kill and now that is happening. As head of state, he is happy to tell a whole nation his readiness to kill. Next we see killings. What do you call that? For now, Jammeh is VERY GUILTY until he proves himself innocent. Why do you think Jammeh is not responding? Are you his spokesman? Is it from only my postings you come to read about Jammeh's killer image. Have you time to respond some of the other sites where these same views are rampantly posted? What is your stake? Let us desist from sentimentalism. What we have in Gambia today is no matter of simple politics. A person leading our country has killer instinct, and that is dangerous. When Jammeh faces trial, that is the best time you can come up to his aid if you have good reason. I am not personally affected but the whole thing is abnormal to ignor for a moment. To clear your doubts, I keep very cool mind and will not permit even the most wicked tyrant to shift my focus. It is crime against humanity that the issue at hand premises. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 01:00:45
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Karamba rest assured that i am not Jammeh's spokesman but a progressive and responsible Gambian who wants the best for our country. Despite my quest to return home one day to The Gambia in more democractic environment, i am not prepared to go on the rampage to achieve my objective or play a cyber-warrior. Those online outfits that criticize Jammeh are expressing their God-given rights to do so in cyber-space since the conditions on the ground are not favourable. I am a member of this bantaba and i deem it appropriate to debate issues with my fellow bantabakas in the interest of The Gambia and humanity at large. You can call me names you want, i wont lose sleep over it. I have been baptised here as Madiba Jammeh, but my conscience is clear. As koto Momodou has it a clear conscience fears no accusation
Dalton1 i will condemn wen neccessary and applaud wen good is done. I am not blinded by revenge. I lost a friend in 11 nov1994, and another has been jailed. Amongst the released i have an in-law whose wife literally wept and mourned her husband for a yr. You know the guy's crime? someone gave his name as among the alledged coup-plotters. I could have been crying for Jammeh's blood. Deep in me i know certainly the day of reckoning is near. That's where am waiting for Jammeh and his cohorts. WA-SALAAM |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 08:54:35
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Madiba,
I feel that the Gambian State has no case to put forward that is why these people have been released. Such things happen in other countries too. Gambia is not the only country in this world.
Most of us on this bantaba grumble a lot but never does something about it.
Is it not time we start talking in Gambia? Why not set up an NGO ans start educating people? Or the socalled meeting of the Gambians in disapora could be held in the Gambia too. I read through most of the contributions about this meeting in the US but I have to be reserved because of the experience I have had with the NAAD set up. If Gambians are not involved in seroius national contributions then all moves shall fail like the NAAD.
There are opposition parties in the Gambia, so I suggest we do the same too. This bantaba is not known to all Gambians in the diaspora.
I said it before and will say it again. It does not pay to shout a lot on this bantaba and keep quiet in reality.
It is time to put some of your ideas in pratice. What do you think? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 11:19:08
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Koto Alhassan, i said it in a previous thread that Jammeh could be uprooted by using peaceful means. I suggested the set-up of institutions that will compete with gov't iniatives at a respectful dsitance in order to convince our desparate electorate. If an opposition outfit could drill a well for people in SARE ANIS in Niamina and the surrounding hamlets, do you think the APRC gov't can blackmail in voting for them by not giving them healthy water? If the NAMs are development oriented and fully understand their role as servants of the people and not their lords,then they would give back atleast part of the salary to their electorates as community development iniative. If we can build schools as PDOIS has done in some places, drill wells, build skill centres etc, slowly but surely APRC gov't blackmail will be checked.
Most of our local folks want concrete evidence before throwing their support behind you. As the Wolof say, if one provides you with breakfast and promises you lunch you can atleast trust the person. Meaning even if what we provide for the electorates is a tiny drop compared to what the APRC gov't provide, the people could trust us. Mere rhetoric don't win votes in Africa especially those in the opposition. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 11:36:50
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I agree with you Madis to 100%. I would suggest that the opposition does'nt dwell on the fact that as they are not ruling the country, the money government spents is the peoples. They are the ones who would pay. The fact that Gambians born today has a lot to pay back per person is not at all good for the coming generation. This is why I am asking those who have ideas to go home and start educating the Gambians on their civil rights.
You are quite right to say that " Mere rhetoric don't win votes in Africa especially those in the opposition" |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 12:47:18
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Originally posted by MADIBA
Dalton1 i will condemn wen neccessary and applaud wen good is done. I am not blinded by revenge. I lost a friend in 11 nov1994, and another has been jailed. Amongst the released i have an in-law whose wife literally wept and mourned her husband for a yr. You know the guy's crime? someone gave his name as among the alledged coup-plotters. I could have been crying for Jammeh's blood. Deep in me i know certainly the day of reckoning is near. That's where am waiting for Jammeh and his cohorts. WA-SALAAM
Mawdo Madi. i see you have a sad case also about your inlaw. I wish him a faster recovery from any emotional stress. Nothing hurts more than being accused of someone you not.
I am happy that he is innocent, and like you rightly said, his only crime -some one gave his name as a coupist. Such are the people who doomed our society, online with you, go to bed with you, wake up with you, dine with you et cetera.
And like Salimina and Karamba also commented, i don't blame those rattling for the APRC. They probably didn't have their fathers' (Koro Ceesay or Deyda)or mothers (Like Duta Kamaso or Mariam Denton), killed and locked up without due process of law. Such could warm bloods of people with a feeling about their country. I bet, if the did, it would be a different story.
But back to your stance on reckonig, indeed nigh, you perfectly right; but it's two of them-one in this 'duniyaa' and the one in 'akirah'.
and back to our topic, by the way, did you happen to follow the greenboys (july 22nn) revelation? How widespread are they both at home and in the diaspora. Is it true that they are online, trained to slaughter?
What led to your resignation? Was it back to school or you just couldn't blend in that systen-either way, i like that move? I hope others can do the same. Safe exit is what i wish for all. and before long a strong force would have galvanized with a voice, and that voice is like they said about the 'kalimah' will enter into every household. then it will rain, and shine. then the horn shall be blown. then the men of 'green revolution' shall be in shambles, wishing they never touched blood.
and thanks for your thread while there is time.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 13:12:39
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Dalton1,
We should not be to liberal not to gudge properly. Because my father, brother or relativ is being held for something does not mean we should protest without finding out what realy they have done. I would have tried to sue the government if I had the same problem you mention here. As a law binding person we should not encourage our family members to commit crime ect. It is very sad that the people killed you mention here have not had any family member to investigate. Independant commisions could be set up for fact finding if neccessary to put everybody in the light.
Gambians are very sensitive when it comes to family. We have seen many people doing wrong without nothing happening to them. Family members lobby even gudges and lawers to their sides.
There is a case where a murderar has been taken to court and he has dissapeared. His family knows what he has done but still will not accept it. Such are big problems. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 13:20:47
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| Dalton1 thanks for your sympathy. Anyway my decision to resign was purely the dictates of my conscience. I was not intimidated in anyway. My academic thirst wasn't also satisfied then, so am still trying to climb the academic ladder the highest possible. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 13:34:31
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"It is very sad that the people killed you mention here have not had any family member to investigate. Independant commisions could be set up for fact finding if neccessary to put everybody in the light." Al-hassan
Well, who are their family members? Do i or you exclude ourselves from that family.
"Independent commissions...." bro. You made me take a deep breathe, cos it sounds like the 'commission' after the students shooting. There cannot be an independent commission, as long as it is the people that do the acts of injustice, at the same time sitting on the camels that deliver justice. that justice is what people are calling for.
Mawdo madi,
personally ,i wish you luck. that decision of yours to quit was rightly guided, and you will never regrete it in a life time and even in the hereafter, especially if you never harmed any of your Gambian fellows. and thanks for sharing it.
just wait and see a funny ending. whether of those calling live to withness it not.
yooo'all thread good for the day. i just picked my 'kurta and cutlas' heading to the farm.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 14:04:28
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Dalton1,
Surely we cannot accept that the people accused are the same people to be the independant mission. They could be represented but the commison should include opposition and independant people if we want a real fact finding.This could be easily set up if there is intrest. Otherwise we just sit here and grumble forever. I understand also that I am part of the family of Gambians, but shall not habour any wrong doer. I myself was a victim that was why I set off for Senegal and after some years to Sweden.
In the case of the ones realesed, Vicent is very close to me as a family member. He knew what he did to be fired. He is a very, very close relative to the President. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 20:34:24
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Anyone who thinks of due legal process in Gambia lives in the most illusive dream world. There are no LAWS in Gambia of Yaya Jammeh. Alhassan, you want people to risk going to Gambia and to establish projects. That is not practical. Anyone who establishes an independent project in Gambia will be seen as an underground opposition. Actionaid has been in Gambia for more than 25 years. When Jammeh staged his infamous coup, he targeted the development agency as being anti-givernment when they introduced their Rights campagne. A para-legal scheme was supported by Actionaid and Jammeh's government reacted violent against Actionaid. That is a developemt agency. How do you expect individuals to face the hostile political environment imposed by a monster regime? It is dangerous for anyone to try that. The truth is, Yaya Jammeh is not thinking of development but self perpetration. Worst of it, he has a fatal killer instinct. Such a person is unable to promote peace. Let us stop blaming innocent peace loving Gambians while we already know what the killer tyrant is doing. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 21:17:07
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Breadman I am sure it comes a relief to your family that your cousin has been released. For your cousin I'm sure he is relieved that his nightmare is over. A few months ago I posted a thread here stating that Jammeh had warned magistrates not to lock up people for indefinite periods of time without being prosecuted. He gave them a stern warning about how dragging out cases was leading to a huge backlog of criminal cases and mounting costs to maintain those who have not been charged.
So prisons who have been released is just following through with the guidelines mentioned by the government. Those in the know are aware that the Gambian legal system and prisons are in need for a good overhaul.
Let's stop the over exaggerations Guy's when some sneezes it doesn't necessarily mean they have phemonia. They might just be allergic to house dust.
Peace
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bread man
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Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 23:24:57
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| Just as always Sis, you said it right. Thanks for the reminder. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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