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njucks

Gambia
1131 Posts

Posted - 20 Jul 2007 :  23:14:56  Show Profile Send njucks a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
I did that on purpose. It was meant to show an emphasis to a bygone history.




i fell for it big time.
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 22 Jul 2007 :  14:05:41  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
In USA, Canada, cities like Halifax, Boston, New York were once the centre of economical and political area. After asia pacific boom, cities like seattle, vancouver, los angeles became more important. As the trade routes going to Asia Pacific. So Europe towards Asia, Eastern Africa now becaming more important than ever. If western african states especially senegal, gambia wants to survive in new economic and political realities, they must somehow to rich indian ocean. That is why a sahara union from atlantic ocean, gambia to indian ocean, sudan, from mediteranian from libya to both ocean would make these countries great strategic advantage. It is matter of existence, survival. Africans must think globally and act locally NOW.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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Janyanfara



Tanzania
1350 Posts

Posted - 24 Jul 2007 :  21:54:11  Show Profile Send Janyanfara a Private Message
My Brothers,

It is truely shameful.I don,t know what some of them are saying.If Europe could come together with it diversity,why not Africa?

Are we still as dark as our colour?I think our minds are lightening up a bit.But still all is not lost.Rome was not built in a day.I only thought we had been on the move too long well before Europe even thought of intergration and now they've gone past and far ahead of us.

Never give up on African Unity it is our life and soul.

Long live the voice for a unified Africa.
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 25 Jul 2007 :  11:22:07  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
How to accomplish African Union

The model should be Avalanche.

1. Start from small
2. Simple first, difficult last.
3. Benchmarks as snowball spins.
4. Integrate first than expand
5. Benefits of unity will accelerate the progress – domino effect.

Regional: It must be small, regional and must have borders. Senegal, Mali, Mauritania, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Burkina Faso would be ideal start.

Simple integration: Don’t try to start electing a president of a union. Start small integration for example, custom union first than labor union, single currency would be last for economic integration. Or instead of labour movement, start with the student exchange first. Or businessman movement without visa etc...

Benchmarks: It must have a plan. There must be deadlines of short, mid and long term plans.

Ultimate Goal: Most important the union of Africa. That is fine to have a target of United States of Africa in 150 years.

Avalanche: Once acceleration starts it will be more difficult to stop the progress.


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 25 Jul 2007 11:24:15
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njucks

Gambia
1131 Posts

Posted - 25 Jul 2007 :  20:01:52  Show Profile Send njucks a Private Message
Turk, if you had attended the meeting in Ghana, there perhaps would have been more progress towards Jayanfara's dream. i take it you were not there. you are definitely ahead of the participants at the Ghana meeting.

the regional approach you mentioned is the key, for several reasons. these are cultural, historical, economic etc. for example from a comtemporary history point of view, most southern African countries share a particular past, one of fight against racist government from Apartheid SA to Rhodesia, Namibia etc. The also belong to similar language groups (bantu languages). the same is true in North Africa with the arab and Islam. in west africa almost all the countries use the CFA and are already in ECOWAS. so we can simply join, Guinea Bissau joined and there was no problem. most of the time i have been to senegal i simply go with my ID Card. most regions have fairly well established Agreements like SADC, ECOWAS, etc.

so in reality its not as difficult as you think. 150 years is too far. by then we shoud really be talking of an EU-AU Economic Union .

also perhaps to invovle the very people you wish to unite, perhaps each country should have a referandum on the issue, so next time there is an election governments can use the opportunity to ask the people if they themselves want african unity.

one thing i dont understand, is why you think a single currency should be last, i would have thought that since the bulk of the people are not educated, anything that will increase their income should come first, this would help convince them more about african unity.
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kondorong



Gambia
4380 Posts

Posted - 25 Jul 2007 :  20:36:14  Show Profile Send kondorong a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by njucks



so in reality its not as difficult as you think. 150 years is too far. by then we shoud really be talking of an EU-AU Economic Union .




What did you have for dinner today that makes you very optimistic

An AU-EU Economic Union? SAITAN TOGAL

“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 25 Jul 2007 :  20:47:12  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
My view is parallel with most of the points you made. For economic integration there are three things to integrate first to be prepared for the single currency. Movement of labour, movement of capital and movement goods and services. Nations should have similar economic indicators. Such as deficit/government budget ratio, export/gdp, inflation rates etc. Once accomplished that single currency should be implemented. Without the economic integration and movement of capital, labour and goods and services, single currency would harm nation's interests unbalanced. That was how EU done it.


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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Sister Omega



United Kingdom
2085 Posts

Posted - 28 Jul 2007 :  22:51:11  Show Profile  Visit Sister Omega's Homepage Send Sister Omega a Private Message
Njucks continue from our conversation, the analogy I gave you about Ethiopia and Eriteria is reality all over Africa the borders have been created from exterior forces. The irony is that these borders are still being maintained even when they aren't economically or socially viable for the African people themselves.

Could Gambia function independently without the subregion or the Congo with her neighbours or Ethiopia without access to the sea? Of course not. We are interdependent on each other. When we go deeper there are more similarities between than differences between African Union states i.e. Countries share family ties, languages customs etc. That already override artificial borders created by the Berlin conference because the people were already their long before the colonial powers land grabbing. This borders benefit politician more than the people of Africa themselves.

No Njucks, I don't think the Berlin Conference can or should be resigned to the history books yet because it legacy is still causing a great hindrance to unification of the African Union.

Cultural diversity enriches us as a people and once we adopt greater tolerance of our diversity, less arrogance and pride amongst ourselves. I'm sure we can establish a viable African Union which can become a powerful and influential player on the international stage for future generations.


Peace


Sister Omega



Peace
Sister Omega

Edited by - Sister Omega on 28 Jul 2007 22:55:34
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 05 Oct 2007 :  23:38:50  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
Latest on NEPAD and other forums for Africa's development and integration under:-

1) The daily observer Newspaper reports; WADE: NEPAD has failed under http://www.observer.gm/africa/senegal/dakar/article/2007/10/4/wade-nepad-has-failed

2) The Daily Observer Newspaper editorial NEPAD’s failure, not a surprise under http://www.observer.gm/africa/article/2007/10/4/nepads-failure-not-a-surprise
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Moe



USA
2326 Posts

Posted - 06 Oct 2007 :  03:16:12  Show Profile Send Moe a Private Message
This is really funny Kons,I couldn't stop laughing.
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong

quote:
Originally posted by njucks



so in reality its not as difficult as you think. 150 years is too far. by then we shoud really be talking of an EU-AU Economic Union .




What did you have for dinner today that makes you very optimistic

An AU-EU Economic Union? SAITAN TOGAL


I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction

The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know .....
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