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kobo
United Kingdom
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che
South Africa
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:13:50
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| As someone born and grew up in Zim,i can attest that life has gone to the extremes.The once promising economy has turned into a laughing stock.The nations is bleeding and Mugabe has done his best to keep it going down.Life is now unbearable,in a country with so much potential.I guess thats Africa,they all have potential but no results. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 14:20:51
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Che! Is it just politics as I watch BBC documentary, heard comments and assessment of The Secretary of Movement For Democratic Change of Zimbabwe that the country has gone backwards towards 1920s. He even compared the starvation and crises to Ethopia's drought and Darfur. I saw terrifying scenes! The white man was good for this economy but they were counter-looted, farms ramsacked and vast agricultural lands re-allocated. Where did Mugabe went wrong
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jambo
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 15:15:13
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| I SAW A PROGEMM IN THIS COUNTRY LAST NIGHT, IT SHOWED THE COUNTRY TWO SIDES THE POOR AND DESPARTE, and then 20 mins drive outside harare, it looked like an african beverley hills, swimming pools, fairgrounds for children well stocked shelves, manicured lawns with sprinklers, go figure. |
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 14 Sep 2007 : 23:28:20
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| Jambo can tell us the name of the documentary. am sure if i knew the name i would be able to watch it. Thanks. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 11:46:37
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| i think it was newsnight, it made fascinating viewing, any country that has police rule is in trouble, but the african communites around wil nto disapprove of the regime, but they should speak out because when it becomes a war they will feel the pinch. |
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lurker
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 13:24:54
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they are already feeling the pinch-the whole area is.
3000 zimbabweans try and cross teh border into south africa every day.
they are the ones who get caught.
In joburg and other cities, there is now gang warfare between resident impoverished indigenous south africans and the "invaders" looking for cheap labour in order to send money home.
in other countries this is already common - look at here in the UK.!
they fight for territories, jobs, esteem - you name it.
the zambians are flooded by their neighbours where the once great zim dollar is now a tiny proportion of the zambian kwacha - they used to joke about the "rubbish" zambian currency- now look.
there is water 2-3 hours a day in some areas if you are lucky, at stupid times of the night.
there is no bread, wheat, maize, oil, fuel, fruit and other staples for the majority of people and yes - down the road the wa benzi are doing fine - as always in these situations.
the inflation is 7600% - can anyone actually comprehend that figure- i find it hard to, when inflation is 6% here.
what does 100, 000% inflation mean? that's the forecast for xmas in zimbabwe.
the suitcase you carry your money to buy bread with(if u can find any) is now a more stealable item than the cash.
tourism is finished. most of the hotels are closed or sectioned into smaller , usable areas.
safaris have no fuel and no game - all being poached for the pot.
transport is unaffordable, so the 20% who have jobs leave home at 3 in the morning to get to work in time. there are no more books, pencils etc. the teachers walk out or strike, the nurses walk out or strike, the doctors walk out or strike.
thirty something percent have hiv/aids with little or no medication. whole swathes of the population are orphans, with or wihtout the disease themselves. their president has denied that hiv and aids are even linked!!!!!
the army are in tow with food and wages - but it is now the case that they are lower paid than most they are paid to suppress. how long will they stay faithful to the tyrant?
tobacco crops are decimated. farming is finished for a generation.
25% of the country have left.
we always wonder how it could get worse - yet it does, daily.
and so to that pathetic , weasel of a spineless creature who runs the neighbouring sountry.
are you. like me, sick to death of this "quiet , diplomacy " garbage?
it is an excuse for doing precisely nothing.
there is this crazy notion that the brothers have to stand by and watch the destruction of 11 million of their less important cousins while their big nrother can destroy a whole country single-handedly.
why?
because, 27 years ago he wa instrumental in destroying the colonial rule - and good for him in that action.
he cheated the elected president out of office. he murderd 30,000 nedele of the enemy tribe, he trashed the country and salted awway billions of dollars into his own accounts.
he has just framed the archbihop and has rigged a crap video to try and accuse his opposition of treason in the past.
it's all been see before.
question to you african men and women.
When does the life of the brothers and sisters become more important than pandering to the lunacy of one psychopath?
how many have to die?
it is easy if it is far away and somebody else's nightmare.
in my opinion, mbeki should be hung up to dry, africans should unite to get rid of the original african hitler, and then give this country back to the people so it can heal.
lots of zimbabwean black people i know hanker for the pre-independence days- they say they were better off!
now i know they are rose-tinted glasses, but you kind of understand their sentiment.
at least they had a life of sorts, despite the circumstances being unforgivable and disgusting.
they foguht for this man and for everything he has destroyed.
what a waste. |
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jambo
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 13:30:33
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| lurker the government is reponsible for the state of affairs within this country, the country was okay until mugabe got old., right now it is in the interest of the ministers and other officials to keep the country where it is. |
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lurker
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 13:35:48
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you are right , of course. same old story of the few in power depriving the rest of a life for their own gain. the same rational that was an excuse for kicking out the white farmers - too much in the hands of too few.
now , i think it is recognised that even the white farmers acknowledged the unsustainable discrepancy,and were prpeared to talk about sensible distribution.
but of course, as usual, force, terror and murder were used.
but indigenous zimbabweans did not die, only a handful of the whie farmers.
this matter is the real slaughter of africans by an african!
sure he keeps power by force to keep himself and hishenchmen in power, but it does not mean that his neighbours have to stand by and watch this kind of genocide.
Africa has had a history of watching invaders destroy their values, lives, cultures, religions, homes, familes etc.
they complained, fought and won in virtually every country.
why is it ok to allow their own people to treat them even worse than the old foe? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 13:50:40
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Originally posted by che
As someone born and grew up in Zim,i can attest that life has gone to the extremes.The once promising economy has turned into a laughing stock.The nations is bleeding and Mugabe has done his best to keep it going down.Life is now unbearable,in a country with so much potential.I guess thats Africa,they all have potential but no results.
che,
I have had a question that has not been answeden because I have not yet met some one who can. Hence you come from Zimbabwe You can give me some hints.
Why did'nt the English people settle the land problem befor handing over to Mugabi hence he(Mugabi) was fighting for a better land distrubution among the citizins of Zim?
Did Mugabi sell any land to the White farmers? I just felt that the English who sold the land should have setteled the problem before handing over. What would have happened if Mugabi refused to provide land for the Africans in Zim?
Moreover during the White rule in Zim, did the Africans who worked at the farms get any kind of technical education as to be able to do minor repairs of the farming mechanism? |
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jambo
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Posted - 21 Sep 2007 : 15:57:01
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alhassan, i have always believed it was not about the land but where the land is situated, look at the land that has been seized, it is always in good areas, and looked after, have they given away waste land in remote areas, no. there is plenty of land, but this seems to be about ownership. secondly the people who were promosed land sometimes never got it.
some areas are just neglected.
gambia is doing the same are they looking at land up river, no they are looking at land in desirable areas, this creates rich districts that marginalise against the native people |
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lurker
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 09:01:16
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just a small point in response to the query above.
about 65% of the white farmers land was bought AFTER independence.
These lands were , by law, offered to the government first, who refused to buy them and granted "certificates of no interest"!!!!!!!
This does not, of course , justify the grand scale of the total discrepancy, but it puts things in perspective a little bit.
now those lands which were honestly bought, have been "stolen" back and distributed to party cronies, who are now fighting among themselves for once productive farmland which is now scrub.
I believe, not sure for certain, that something like 600,000 black zimbabweans lost their jobs, education, health benefits, food supplements and accommodation with this land grab. there was no time for those highly skilled local people to share their knowledge.
if they remained faithful to their employers, they were oppressed by the war "vets" and if they switched sides, they became embroiled in petty squabbles. nobody won.
evry crop is decimated, the equipment is rusting and the place is ruined.
gordon refuses to attent the eu/african summit! laugh , i nearly did. too little too late.
and the zambian lickspittle who called zimbabwe the "titanic of Africa" has announced if Bob does not go, then, yahboosucks, he's not going either!
the UN will not get incvolved as they say the laaw state that the zim mess does not endanger the surrounding nations - garbage, of course it does.
what does Bob have to do that could be worse before anyone does anything.
The world will look back in years to come and ask why no-one did anything while a nation was butchered by its own president.
the black hitler will die a rich, old, unpunished tyrant!
The man is mad. |
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 21:12:33
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now those lands which were honestly bought, have been "stolen" back and distributed to party cronies, who are now fighting among themselves for once productive farmland which is now scrub.
Stolen back?? are you saying they were stolen in the first place?
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I believe, not sure for certain, that something like 600,000 black zimbabweans lost their jobs, education, health benefits, food supplements and accommodation with this land grab. there was no time for those highly skilled local people to share their knowledge.
"black Zimbabweans", "white Zimbabweans" isn't this the real problem? the creation of differences and thus justifying the actions of each group. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 14:18:48
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lurker,
I cannot take your posting as serious because the land was sold before Mugabi took over. Mugabi has not sold any land to anybody that he can conficate but he has confisicated land that was sold by the british. this is what I understand. Remember he got castrated or all his private part is cut off by IN Smith in prison is it not true? |
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che
South Africa
40 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2007 : 17:25:40
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| The issue of land in Zim was & is still contetious.The problem stems from the Lancaster house talks in 1979.Those talks gave birth to the constitution that was to gorven the new republic post 1980.The patriotic front i.e Zanu & Zapu had vowed to return to the bush should the land not be adressed properly,yet the British felt they had to protect their own kith & kin.Hence a compromise was reached that the first 10 years will see a willing seller & buyer method,with the then gorvening Conservative party agreeing to carry the colonial legacy by compensating for any land bought by the govt of Mugabe.But with the endemic corruption in Zim,much of the land never reached the poor man in the reserves.After 1990 to 1997,everybody seemed relaxed,especially under John Major.Mugabe enjoyed so much favour with the British,up to a stage were he was even knighted by the queen.He in a way so no reason to tackle the contentious issue of land.But came 1997 elections,Labour party took over the reigns and they said no,were are a different generation,we are not bound by any colonial legacy.The combination of Blair's arrogance and the fading Mugabe popularity,created the polarised relations that exist with the British.Hence in 2000,after Mugabe was defeated for the fisrt time in his life on the constitutional amendement which advocated for forceful seizure of land,he went mad.He blamed the whites of working with the newly formed MDC ,to destroy him.Thus we so the land invasions and the worsening economic and political climate.Since then,it has never been the same,the nation is bleeding. |
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