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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 00:42:13
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One reason why the judiciary is more foreign in nature is that they are sensitive to the needs of the executives.
The case of Pa Salla Jange the former Inspector General of Police is an exmple. The Nigerian magistrate handling his case refused to act and kept adjouning and an innocent person spent atleast one year in jail for nothing. When a gamian magistrate took up the case who is a classmate of mine, the case was thrown out for lack of evidenec from the state. The Magistrate was dismissed immediately after the ruling and a Nigerian Magistrate was asked to handle the case and Mr Jagne went back to Prison again.
IT IS BY DESIGN AND NOT BY ACCIDENT THAT THE FACE OF THE JUDICIARY IS FOREIGN. THERE ARE MANY EXMPLES TO NAME HERE. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 00:53:43
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yLOWE
This contribution i copied from one of yours is an exact mirrior of what i have been trying to say in all the postings. PLEASE DO NOT GIVE COLONIALISM AS AN EXCUSE FOR UNDERDEVELOPMENT.
It doesn't take rocket science to figure out which nation's citizens enjoy higher standards of living, per capita income, life expectancy and economic growth rate. It has nothing to do with natural resources. The U.S. is rich and also rich in natural resources. Hong and the UK are rich but poor in natural resources. The two natural resources richest continents are Africa and South America. Yet South America and Africa are homes to some of the worlds most miserably poor people. Sometimes colonialism is used as an excuse for poverty. That's nonsense. The world's richest nations were former colonies: Hong Kong, Australia, New Zealand and the United States while some of the most miserably poor nations, like Nepal and Ethiopia were never colonies. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 18:49:14
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Kondorong, please don't compare apples with pears. Australia had very few inhabitants when the British came; almost all Australians now are white and brought with them the technological know how of Europe (after all, when I am in my culture-pessimistic moods, I think culture and technology must be opponents: The higher the grade of technological development, the lower the cultural grade... look at the millions reading Murdoch's newspapers...). Australia never lost (political) contact to Britain and participated in its wealth.
About the USA, there is not much to say - I think everybody knows the US history on this behalf.
Hong Kong profited from a special status as a zone of free trade for more than 90 years, it was the place of intermediary trade between China and the rest of the world, and, with the Chinese refugees, had thousands of cheap workers.
South America, on the other hand, since colonial days has been ruled by a small white upper class who owned (and still owns) most of the land and its resources. This white or mestizo minority is strongly tied to the USA and to Europe, among others through corruption. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 19:20:16
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There you go again a typical african who is good at excuses why he failed. I have yet to meet anyone who tells me why we can make it. We are too pessimistic. We have to move on rather thna give excuses all the time.
Colonialism, slavery, trade barriers corrupt leaders and so on. Can we now reverse this to why we are succeeding. Are there no opportunites we can take advantage of. We are the richest people on earth in terms of resources. How about that. Lets turn that around to benefit our people. It will be a good start. Let us see the forest and not the trees. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kassma
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 19:39:27
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Originally posted by serenata
Kondorong, please don't compare apples with pears. Australia had very few inhabitants when the British came; almost all Australians now are white and brought with them the technological know how of Europe (after all, when I am in my culture-pessimistic moods, I think culture and technology must be opponents: The higher the grade of technological development, the lower the cultural grade... look at the millions reading Murdoch's newspapers...). Australia never lost (political) contact to Britain and participated in its wealth.
About the USA, there is not much to say - I think everybody knows the US history on this behalf.
Hong Kong profited from a special status as a zone of free trade for more than 90 years, it was the place of intermediary trade between China and the rest of the world, and, with the Chinese refugees, had thousands of cheap workers.
South America, on the other hand, since colonial days has been ruled by a small white upper class who owned (and still owns) most of the land and its resources. This white or mestizo minority is strongly tied to the USA and to Europe, among others through corruption.
i think its important to consider facts like this when talking about the condition of Africa and other poor countries. i think the fact that countries with majority "colored" people are the bottom of the ladder clearly says that something is not right. to say that EVERYTHING is our fault, that we're lazy and not motivated is retarded because so many of us work hard to LEAVE our own countries and then suceed in the new countries. so obviously we're not lazy or stupid if we can go someplace else and succeed. it just shows that there is something wrong with our countries, not our race! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 20:00:45
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| I am not saying something is wrong with our race. Why is it that we make it outside and not in our own counties. You are only pointing to the fact that the problem is ours and not anyone else. in fact it should have been the other way round. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 21:07:39
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Kondorong,
i have been following your writings with great interest. u are very straight forward and open minded. i don't think you will make good friends with many people here. i agree with you in at least 90% of your facts. we Africans can still turn things around if we want to. Europe and America has brutal histories of wars and all sort of carnage. they only applied a very simple solution to their problems: 'what belongs to the nation belongs to all'. the problems everyone talks about i.e. slavery and the like are things that happen but man has always had the intelligence to work around the greatest obstacles. a bright example is the number of africans in the West who never want to go home. the gambia for instance is one of the countries in Africa with the highest brain drain. we Africans don't want to sacrifice for one another. we all want to reap our own harvests before our children. sometimes, we have to work for others to reap the harvests. if we all sacrifice to go back, i swear, no matter how nasty Junkung is or any other government that may be in place, we WILL change it. A bright example is a posting where someone is kinda discouraged about going home because he is going to be paid less than foreign doctors. we cannot change such situations while here in the west.
we also have to know that there is no mercy in this socio-economic and political world. every nation wants the best for her citizens and they won't mind preying on weaker nations just to fix hot plates for their citizens. this has always been human nature from the beginning. a good example will be in a classroom. each student wants to excel above all the other students. the enviroment is very challenging. some students will even go as far as hiding their techniques(which they could share) from their fellow students just to beat them at exams. it is the same thing with nations competing for excellence.
if we can stop blaming others for one moment and judge ourselves, i think we will have a solution to our problems. unless africans change their attitudes, nothing is going to change.
i remember during the war in Burundi, everyone blamed the west for turning blind eyes on the carnage. where were the sister african governments? europe had a war at that time within their midst in Bosnia. they had to solve that first. we have have always created our own problems and we are still creating more problems for ourselves. who are we to blame? THE AFRICANS!!! |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 16:14:48
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BornAfrican, self-accusations are as useless as blaming only 'The West' for Africa's problems. I pointed out the differences between Africa, South America and the colonies mentioned by kondorong because they all have their special history. Only if we have a closer look at this history, we can find something of help.
I am not an African. So, if I say 'we' I mean that imbalance in the world concerns us all, not just one single group/race/nation. Of course there are nations/continents who bear the whole burden of the present situation, and of course you are absolutely right when you say "every nation wants the best for her citizens and they won't mind preying on weaker nations just to fix hot plates for their citizens" . But I am 100% sure that in the end we all (or our children) have to pay for this short-sightedness.
Advantages and disadvantages can change quickly. Look at Portugal and Spain: Within a few decades they lost everything they robbed from their South American and/or African colonies; they counted among Western Europe's poorest countries in the 19th and 20th century. Look at the USA: They act the big shot, but there is no question they are fragile. This country lives on the nod, and it is too much depending on cheap foreign resources. How long will the USA be able to threaten the world with their military power? Why do they raid countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, and maybe soon Iran - if not out of need? Why do they hurry to establish military bases on African ground or send 'military counsellors' wherever there is or could be oil in Africa?? An exhausting race against China, which also needs a lot of oil - African oil - has begun. West Africa could profit from this race, but if it follows the path of corruption, like Nigeria did, there is no hope. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 19:32:27
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| kEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I AM LEARNING NEW THINGS. IS IS NOT VITAL THAT FREE FLOW OF IDEAS IS A RECIPE FOR ENLIGHTENMENT. KEEP THE BANTABA BUSY. |
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