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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:24:42
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Karamba you are missing the point I am trying to make the Gambian Constitution has it stands has no Presidential limit within it as you fully know. If we are debating that it should have a Presidential limit far enough. Heads of State have the right to abolish, amend and introduce laws that's part and parcel of their job. They do not need to seek premission from their citizens to do this. Obviously Consultations are good lipmus indicators but depending on the political landscape this is not always feasible. The only preceivable way for a fixed term limited would be through a referendum and it is the President who has the final say whether or not it would be premitted under his tenure. Being realistic I really don't see that happening anytime soon.
Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 23 May 2007 23:39:04 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:24:42
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Karamba you are missing the point I am trying to make the Gambian Constitution has it stands has no Presidential limit within it as you fully know. If we are debating that it should have a Presidential limit far enough. Heads of State have the right to abolish, amend and introduce laws that's part and parcel of their job. They do not need to seek premission from their citizens to do this. Obviously Consultations are good lipmus indicators but depending on the political landscape this is not always feasible. The only preceivable way for a fixed term limited would be through a referendum and it is the President who has the final say whether or not it would be premitted under his tenure. Being realistic I really don't see that happening anytime soon.
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 23 May 2007 23:39:04 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:49:35
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True, True, Sister Omega
Current trends in Gambia's political order clearly show the president is not prepared to surrender the seat for better. To leave it in the hands of a sitting president decide when to pack, that looks a total dictatorship. That is quite frightening. There is still a need to limit term of office no matter who is affected. An open-ended operation like the one currently prevailing in Gambia is temptation for corruption. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:49:35
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True, True, Sister Omega
Current trends in Gambia's political order clearly show the president is not prepared to surrender the seat for better. To leave it in the hands of a sitting president decide when to pack, that looks a total dictatorship. That is quite frightening. There is still a need to limit term of office no matter who is affected. An open-ended operation like the one currently prevailing in Gambia is temptation for corruption. |
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Karl
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 01:40:58
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Sister Omega,
It's only a dictator who can abolish, amend or introduce any law as it suits their interest. Eventhough, these are part and parcel of their job, we still need separation of powers between the Executives, Legislarive and the Judiciary arms of the Government. This system is not perfect in many places but the case of the Gambia is too much a burden to bear. The current style in The Gambia is a one man show, Jammeh is controlling every single aspect of the operation of the Government machinary. This is why we're crying out faul. It is a problem in the eyes of many Gambians, no man is perfect and its obvious he can never fully get it right in every single decision that has to be taken.
Gambians needs an independent thinking Legislative (parliament) body, an Executive body that will be accountable to the people through their representatives (MPs)and above all a Judiciary that is free to excercise and interprete the law in accordance with the Constitution. Now could you honestly tell me from your experience in the current Gambian political climete were these bodies are free from Jammeh's direct influence. The systematic hiring and firing of thousands of workers from all corners clearly shows where this influence is coming from.
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Karl
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 01:40:58
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Sister Omega,
It's only a dictator who can abolish, amend or introduce any law as it suits their interest. Eventhough, these are part and parcel of their job, we still need separation of powers between the Executives, Legislarive and the Judiciary arms of the Government. This system is not perfect in many places but the case of the Gambia is too much a burden to bear. The current style in The Gambia is a one man show, Jammeh is controlling every single aspect of the operation of the Government machinary. This is why we're crying out faul. It is a problem in the eyes of many Gambians, no man is perfect and its obvious he can never fully get it right in every single decision that has to be taken.
Gambians needs an independent thinking Legislative (parliament) body, an Executive body that will be accountable to the people through their representatives (MPs)and above all a Judiciary that is free to excercise and interprete the law in accordance with the Constitution. Now could you honestly tell me from your experience in the current Gambian political climete were these bodies are free from Jammeh's direct influence. The systematic hiring and firing of thousands of workers from all corners clearly shows where this influence is coming from.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2007 : 11:54:40
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Originally posted by Karl
Kobo
In respond to your question, Are we proud of our constitution? I must confess, puts me in a dilemma! However, after careful considerations. I will say NO! Anyone who stand for Justice, Rule of Law, Separation of Power and Checks and Balances modelled in a sound Democratice system will definitely know there is something left behind, and am sure many will agree with me to say NO as far as the case is concern at the moment. All these principles are well stated in our constitution but are never put into practice or recognized in a meaningful manner. The writtings alone no matter how wonderful it sound, is not the question. Unless and untill the Government and all its arms profoundly utilise these concepts in their drive to fullfill their duties and obligation to the ordinary citizen. The burden for me is infact, how far do we put into practice what is in between the covers of this great document?
Secondly, The constitution do not reflect enough upon certain areas which to my view were deliberately left out. For example what we resently debated about, the Term of the Presidents. Why is this not in the constitution?
For any true patriot passionate about his or her country, the application of these democratics values should be the only way to make them proud of the Gambian constitution as it stands. I'll be more than a proud citizen if only these Foundamental Rights are guarenteed, respected and observed by the present or any future admnistration to come. Do the Government under Dr. AJJ Jammeh choose to share and apply these foundamental concepts in our constitution? In my opinion, NO! therefore I am not proud of our nation's constitution at this juncture.
Thanks Karl for the response and clarifications of flaws in The Constitution. That was for guys like Breadman to think about when he post the following:
QUOTE: "Have you people seen the draft constitution? There was nothing like a term limit in the draft that was presented to the people for referandum. It was probably deleted before it reach the people???? I am still in possession of that draft constitution and there is nothing like that when I read it before voting for it and am still looking into it to see if it was there. If it was there can somebody tell me which section it was please."
We all knew waht happen before selling the constitution through a referandum.
Let Justice Guide Our Actions Towards the common Good! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2007 : 11:54:40
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Originally posted by Karl
Kobo
In respond to your question, Are we proud of our constitution? I must confess, puts me in a dilemma! However, after careful considerations. I will say NO! Anyone who stand for Justice, Rule of Law, Separation of Power and Checks and Balances modelled in a sound Democratice system will definitely know there is something left behind, and am sure many will agree with me to say NO as far as the case is concern at the moment. All these principles are well stated in our constitution but are never put into practice or recognized in a meaningful manner. The writtings alone no matter how wonderful it sound, is not the question. Unless and untill the Government and all its arms profoundly utilise these concepts in their drive to fullfill their duties and obligation to the ordinary citizen. The burden for me is infact, how far do we put into practice what is in between the covers of this great document?
Secondly, The constitution do not reflect enough upon certain areas which to my view were deliberately left out. For example what we resently debated about, the Term of the Presidents. Why is this not in the constitution?
For any true patriot passionate about his or her country, the application of these democratics values should be the only way to make them proud of the Gambian constitution as it stands. I'll be more than a proud citizen if only these Foundamental Rights are guarenteed, respected and observed by the present or any future admnistration to come. Do the Government under Dr. AJJ Jammeh choose to share and apply these foundamental concepts in our constitution? In my opinion, NO! therefore I am not proud of our nation's constitution at this juncture.
Thanks Karl for the response and clarifications of flaws in The Constitution. That was for guys like Breadman to think about when he post the following:
QUOTE: "Have you people seen the draft constitution? There was nothing like a term limit in the draft that was presented to the people for referandum. It was probably deleted before it reach the people???? I am still in possession of that draft constitution and there is nothing like that when I read it before voting for it and am still looking into it to see if it was there. If it was there can somebody tell me which section it was please."
We all knew waht happen before selling the constitution through a referandum.
Let Justice Guide Our Actions Towards the common Good! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2007 : 19:21:07
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| There is ample evidence of criminality in ways of Gambia's current regime. Let nobody make mistake about that. The regime came to power through a criminal process and it finds more comfort to maintain its criminal form and essence, simple as that. When we deal with the issue of TERM LIMIT it suits a properly constituted civilian government. The Jammeh regime is not civilian, don't expect fair play. Good reason not to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 19:21:07
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| There is ample evidence of criminality in ways of Gambia's current regime. Let nobody make mistake about that. The regime came to power through a criminal process and it finds more comfort to maintain its criminal form and essence, simple as that. When we deal with the issue of TERM LIMIT it suits a properly constituted civilian government. The Jammeh regime is not civilian, don't expect fair play. Good reason not to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2007 : 20:57:40
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Out of 146 failed nations States Gambia came 83rd. It just goes to show that Jammeh must be doing a lot of things right. The Statistics don't back up the image you are trying to project karamba of Gambia. In fact they place Gambia within the context of the Geopolitics and past the half way mark to a successful state.
The Head of State makes the final decision on matters of policy passed through the legislator. If the opposition are too weak of course Bills will be passed through the incumbent because there is none to oppose them. See Njucks posting on world politics.
Peace
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Peace
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2007 : 20:57:40
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Out of 146 failed nations States Gambia came 83rd. It just goes to show that Jammeh must be doing a lot of things right. The Statistics don't back up the image you are trying to project karamba of Gambia. In fact they place Gambia within the context of the Geopolitics and past the half way mark to a successful state.
The Head of State makes the final decision on matters of policy passed through the legislator. If the opposition are too weak of course Bills will be passed through the incumbent because there is none to oppose them. See Njucks posting on world politics.
Peace
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Peace
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bread man
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 21:01:57
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| Brother Karamba, you said, quote, "Good reason not to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for". (DEVELOPMENT) my Brother and it should have read like this:- Good reason to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for". DEVELOPMENT. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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bread man
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 21:01:57
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| Brother Karamba, you said, quote, "Good reason not to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for". (DEVELOPMENT) my Brother and it should have read like this:- Good reason to trust the Jammeh regime is because it has over the years proved to be what it stands for". DEVELOPMENT. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 24 May 2007 : 21:16:19
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Out of 146 failed nations States Gambia came 83rd. It just goes to show that Jammeh must be doing a lot of things right. The Statistics don't back up the image you are trying to project karamba of Gambia. In fact they place Gambia within the context of the Geopolitics and past the half way mark to a successful state.
The Head of State makes the final decision on matters of policy passed through the legislator. If the opposition are too weak of course Bills will be passed through the incumbent because there is none to oppose them. See Njucks posting on world politics.
Peace
Sister Omega
I like you sister.
It looks like the only thing consistent about your postings is the incosistencies.
Today you are die hard supporter the next day it as though you never gave a support.
My suspect is that you are dong it to get to others and flow with the tide.
I must say it has taken me a while to understand your style of writing. Karamba is falling for it now. |
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