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bread man
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 Posted - 23 May 2007 : 21:51:57
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Quote from Brother Karamba
"As we exchange these views over the net, you may be glad to know there is in reality no constitution in Gambia."
"No blind allegiance to incumbents but our firm allegiance to the nation and constitution of Gambia our homeland."
Which one is it Bro, do we or donīt we have a constitution??? And remember arresting and charging someone for an offence does not mean he/she is guilty. Remember the former director of civil aviation, she is free after been charged for economic offences. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Karl
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 21:53:09
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Kobo
In respond to your question, Are we proud of our constitution? I must confess, puts me in a dilemma! However, after careful considerations. I will say NO! Anyone who stand for Justice, Rule of Law, Separation of Power and Checks and Balances modelled in a sound Democratice system will definitely know there is something left behind, and am sure many will agree with me to say NO as far as the case is concern at the moment. All these principles are well stated in our constitution but are never put into practice or recognized in a meaningful manner. The writtings alone no matter how wonderful it sound, is not the question. Unless and untill the Government and all its arms profoundly utilise these concepts in their drive to fullfill their duties and obligation to the ordinary citizen. The burden for me is infact, how far do we put into practice what is in between the covers of this great document?
Secondly, The constitution do not reflect enough upon certain areas which to my view were deliberately left out. For example what we resently debated about, the Term of the Presidents. Why is this not in the constitution?
For any true patriot passionate about his or her country, the application of these democratics values should be the only way to make them proud of the Gambian constitution as it stands. I'll be more than a proud citizen if only these Foundamental Rights are guarenteed, respected and observed by the present or any future admnistration to come. Do the Government under Dr. AJJ Jammeh choose to share and apply these foundamental concepts in our constitution? In my opinion, NO! therefore I am not proud of our nation's constitution at this juncture. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Karl
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 21:53:09
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Kobo
In respond to your question, Are we proud of our constitution? I must confess, puts me in a dilemma! However, after careful considerations. I will say NO! Anyone who stand for Justice, Rule of Law, Separation of Power and Checks and Balances modelled in a sound Democratice system will definitely know there is something left behind, and am sure many will agree with me to say NO as far as the case is concern at the moment. All these principles are well stated in our constitution but are never put into practice or recognized in a meaningful manner. The writtings alone no matter how wonderful it sound, is not the question. Unless and untill the Government and all its arms profoundly utilise these concepts in their drive to fullfill their duties and obligation to the ordinary citizen. The burden for me is infact, how far do we put into practice what is in between the covers of this great document?
Secondly, The constitution do not reflect enough upon certain areas which to my view were deliberately left out. For example what we resently debated about, the Term of the Presidents. Why is this not in the constitution?
For any true patriot passionate about his or her country, the application of these democratics values should be the only way to make them proud of the Gambian constitution as it stands. I'll be more than a proud citizen if only these Foundamental Rights are guarenteed, respected and observed by the present or any future admnistration to come. Do the Government under Dr. AJJ Jammeh choose to share and apply these foundamental concepts in our constitution? In my opinion, NO! therefore I am not proud of our nation's constitution at this juncture. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:07:41
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Bread Manm
By aspiration of freedom and peace loving Gambians, a constitution is best preferred. Because the APRC destroyed the pillars of our constitution, we have only a skeleton or NONE to put it short. That's what is meant by Gambia not having a constitution and the national desire for a working one. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 23 May 2007 22:33:29 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:07:41
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Bread Manm
By aspiration of freedom and peace loving Gambians, a constitution is best preferred. Because the APRC destroyed the pillars of our constitution, we have only a skeleton or NONE to put it short. That's what is meant by Gambia not having a constitution and the national desire for a working one. |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 23 May 2007 22:33:29 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:17:42
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Karl there are many countries who's constitutions are modelled on their former colonial masters. If we pan out from Gambia I would take a quick guess and say that fixed limited President and Prime Minister terms are in the minority globally. Those who have adopted a limited term was adopted through mass civil unrest i.e the American revolution etc. The difficulty in passing fixed term Presidents or Prime Ministers is they themselves and other aspiring heads of state who have to vote themselves out of a position of power and priviledge. Even certain dubious American leaders have found their way around this by finding loop holes for their heirs to be fast tracked into politics to continue their unhinged policies.
Human nature being the way it is how many people will actually be altruristic enough to do it. With the exception of Nelson Mandela.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:17:42
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Karl there are many countries who's constitutions are modelled on their former colonial masters. If we pan out from Gambia I would take a quick guess and say that fixed limited President and Prime Minister terms are in the minority globally. Those who have adopted a limited term was adopted through mass civil unrest i.e the American revolution etc. The difficulty in passing fixed term Presidents or Prime Ministers is they themselves and other aspiring heads of state who have to vote themselves out of a position of power and priviledge. Even certain dubious American leaders have found their way around this by finding loop holes for their heirs to be fast tracked into politics to continue their unhinged policies.
Human nature being the way it is how many people will actually be altruristic enough to do it. With the exception of Nelson Mandela.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:18:56
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
Quote from Brother Karamba
"As we exchange these views over the net, you may be glad to know there is in reality no constitution in Gambia."
"No blind allegiance to incumbents but our firm allegiance to the nation and constitution of Gambia our homeland."
Which one is it Bro, do we or donīt we have a constitution??? And remember arresting and charging someone for an offence does not mean he/she is guilty. Remember the former director of civil aviation, she is free after been charged for economic offences.
What about Rambo, Ndondeh Njai, Fatou Jaw Manneh and those held in-comunicando
The CONDITIONS AND ENABLING ENVIRONMENT MUST BE THERE! For e.g No politicisation of the JUSTICE SYSTEM, UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW & DEMOCRACY ( with an OPERATIVE PROPER CONSTITUTION) AND FINALLY MAN BY SOUND INTELLIGENT CITIZENS AS PROFESSIONALS WITHOUT FEAR AND FAVOUR.
Let Justive Guide Our Actions Towards The Common Good! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:18:56
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
Quote from Brother Karamba
"As we exchange these views over the net, you may be glad to know there is in reality no constitution in Gambia."
"No blind allegiance to incumbents but our firm allegiance to the nation and constitution of Gambia our homeland."
Which one is it Bro, do we or donīt we have a constitution??? And remember arresting and charging someone for an offence does not mean he/she is guilty. Remember the former director of civil aviation, she is free after been charged for economic offences.
What about Rambo, Ndondeh Njai, Fatou Jaw Manneh and those held in-comunicando
The CONDITIONS AND ENABLING ENVIRONMENT MUST BE THERE! For e.g No politicisation of the JUSTICE SYSTEM, UPHOLD THE RULE OF LAW & DEMOCRACY ( with an OPERATIVE PROPER CONSTITUTION) AND FINALLY MAN BY SOUND INTELLIGENT CITIZENS AS PROFESSIONALS WITHOUT FEAR AND FAVOUR.
Let Justive Guide Our Actions Towards The Common Good! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:55:14
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Sister Omega,
Even if the upkeep of true democratic principles backed by sound constitutional provision is least practised elsewhere in the world, Gambia still needs a term limit for president. Gambians have the manpower resources to sustain a working democracy. Not having term limit for president is a calculated dupe of the citizenry by whoever chooses that. If it was a trick played by Jammeh to plunge Gambia in this political choas, he is not being wise to stay without considering that error or miscalculation. Gone are the days that one greedy person can stick to public position like that of president without being challenged. Compatriots, Gambian constitution is better workable with specific term limit. From what Bread Man posts, the omission of a term limit looks like a premedidated creation. To you Bread Man, since when did you know a term limit is not reflected in Gambian constitution? Do you equate this noble document with Dr Yahya's personal note book where he is free to tear a page and bin it willy-nilly? As genuine citizen Bread Man, what is your stake on a Gambian constitution without term limit for president? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 22:55:14
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Sister Omega,
Even if the upkeep of true democratic principles backed by sound constitutional provision is least practised elsewhere in the world, Gambia still needs a term limit for president. Gambians have the manpower resources to sustain a working democracy. Not having term limit for president is a calculated dupe of the citizenry by whoever chooses that. If it was a trick played by Jammeh to plunge Gambia in this political choas, he is not being wise to stay without considering that error or miscalculation. Gone are the days that one greedy person can stick to public position like that of president without being challenged. Compatriots, Gambian constitution is better workable with specific term limit. From what Bread Man posts, the omission of a term limit looks like a premedidated creation. To you Bread Man, since when did you know a term limit is not reflected in Gambian constitution? Do you equate this noble document with Dr Yahya's personal note book where he is free to tear a page and bin it willy-nilly? As genuine citizen Bread Man, what is your stake on a Gambian constitution without term limit for president? |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:05:43
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One thing I know is that it is also un-democratic to want to scrap these noble document that we all share as gambians. Believing that The current govīt (Jammeh) does not respect it should not mean that we should condemn it. These noble document also guarantees us our rights to so many other things that Gambians are enjoying. Remember, Jawara threw a bunch of youths from Brikama in jail for asking to have access to clean drinking water, 32 to be accurate including a woman that was epileptic and was constantly having seizures on the bare floor of the station. If we all want to enjoy these rights we should also value the rights of others.
Karamba, I have said that should you advocate for a referandum to squeeze a term limit in the constitution, I will vote in your favour. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
Edited by - bread man on 23 May 2007 23:09:54 |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:05:43
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One thing I know is that it is also un-democratic to want to scrap these noble document that we all share as gambians. Believing that The current govīt (Jammeh) does not respect it should not mean that we should condemn it. These noble document also guarantees us our rights to so many other things that Gambians are enjoying. Remember, Jawara threw a bunch of youths from Brikama in jail for asking to have access to clean drinking water, 32 to be accurate including a woman that was epileptic and was constantly having seizures on the bare floor of the station. If we all want to enjoy these rights we should also value the rights of others.
Karamba, I have said that should you advocate for a referandum to squeeze a term limit in the constitution, I will vote in your favour. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
Edited by - bread man on 23 May 2007 23:09:54 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:18:23
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| Point of correction Bread Man. No word about a disregard for THE CONSTITUTION. The issue is about the manner Jammeh disrespects the NOBLE DOCUMENT by first knocking out a fundamental pillar- TREM LIMIT. Of what remains, not a piece is recognised. In that, it is Jammeh who does not respect the constitution. What Jawar did with Brikama youth was not prescribed in the constitution either. Much more, Jawara's past wrongs do not in any way justify Jammeh's current wrongs. The worrying thing about your judgement Bread Man, is that when you run out of reason, you plug out a past Jawara wrong to reconcile another Jammeh wrong. Since the focus is TERM LIMIT, you have still not declare your position and did not answer questions earlier posted. Where do you stand? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2007 : 23:18:23
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| Point of correction Bread Man. No word about a disregard for THE CONSTITUTION. The issue is about the manner Jammeh disrespects the NOBLE DOCUMENT by first knocking out a fundamental pillar- TREM LIMIT. Of what remains, not a piece is recognised. In that, it is Jammeh who does not respect the constitution. What Jawar did with Brikama youth was not prescribed in the constitution either. Much more, Jawara's past wrongs do not in any way justify Jammeh's current wrongs. The worrying thing about your judgement Bread Man, is that when you run out of reason, you plug out a past Jawara wrong to reconcile another Jammeh wrong. Since the focus is TERM LIMIT, you have still not declare your position and did not answer questions earlier posted. Where do you stand? |
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