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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:03:44
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It's refreshing to see police brought to book when the long arm of justices punishes them for stealing from Gambian school children. Who says being a member of the Gambian police puts you above the law? Those we are naive enough to think that better start rethinking their strategy again.
Peace
Sister Omega
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:10:55
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Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity.
No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror.
I am ashamed thank you very much. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:10:55
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Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity.
No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror.
I am ashamed thank you very much. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:14:40
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| Sister Omega why are you so pro government and police? When you go to Gambia (how often?) Do you listen to the voices of ordinary people. Most are frightened of the police and security services. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 May 2007 : 23:14:40
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| Sister Omega why are you so pro government and police? When you go to Gambia (how often?) Do you listen to the voices of ordinary people. Most are frightened of the police and security services. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:58:29
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Bev read the article the policeman was caught stealing D58,550 and has been sentenced for 15 years. This case demonstrates that even corrupt police can be sentenced under an independent judiciary. Isn't that a good thing or would you of preferred for the man to get away with money designated to educate generations of children? Gambianbev yes I listen to Gambian people everyday because I live amongst them here in Britain as well has having contact with people in Gambia for the past 15 years in different levels of society both under the PPP and APRC. From the very poor I have seen some of those who were very poor when I first visited the Gambiaand illierate progress to enable them to support their families and educate their children who now have better prospects. I have witnessed those who were rich lose their weaith and some have maintained it. I have assisted the nation in many ways both from my own pocket, through business and advocacy fundamentally by listening to voices of the voiceless not to mention the time and personal sacrifices I have decaded over the years in developing projects through my consultancy without any funding all resources were recycled back into the Gambia and local community in the UK.
I also work with people on a daily basis from all over the world assisting them to find employment in the UK. So I listen to refugees Assylum seekers, unemployed everyday motivating them to find work.
As for political parties Gambians political system is a product of its history and it is still evolving the only people who can change that system are Gambians themselves no country has ever been given liberation or the right to self determination it is the people who need to be proactive to empower themselves to become the change they want to be! No one else is going to do it for them their future doesn't lay in handouts from tourists or sugar mamas or papas. It lays within themselves education and skills is what Gambia needs and the will to be productive to make things happen positively. By assisting one another instead of backbiting and undermining one another this is not just specifically aimed at Gambia it is a generic pattern of divide and rule which keeps people suspcious of each other, and distracted by preventing them from focusing and collectively working for common good.
As with many societies one cannot be fooled by false smiles and lick mouths society has many layers. The seen and unseen as well as the spoken and silent.As for the Gambian government just like any government it is not perfect and no doubt it has made plenty of mistakes along the way the same goes for the opposition.
Nyarikangbanna maybe you are unaware of the outcry of the slaying of school children in 2001 robustedly debated on the internet and my cry was heard amongst them. I deplore the fact that school children were murdered and maimed and it is indeed a scare on the pages of Gambian history. In my view a public inquiry was needed to address the issue and a thorough investigation be carried out. However my brother I do not have the power to authorise such proceedings if I were in power I would have conducted a thorough investigation into the 10th and 11th Student killings. Looking at the whole incident from start to finish and within the evidence brought forward to an inquiry would be greater clarification of what really happened. So yes without a proper investigation into the incidents there is of course bitterness; without looking into the wounds caused by this incident how can there be any proper reconcilliation without justice ? And the restoration of the dignity of youth cut down in their prime so that they will no longer be used for propoganda purposes for those who want to score cheap political points on every topic concerning Gambia. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
Peace
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Peace
Sister Omega |
Edited by - Sister Omega on 18 May 2007 01:33:33 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 00:58:29
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Bev read the article the policeman was caught stealing D58,550 and has been sentenced for 15 years. This case demonstrates that even corrupt police can be sentenced under an independent judiciary. Isn't that a good thing or would you of preferred for the man to get away with money designated to educate generations of children? Gambianbev yes I listen to Gambian people everyday because I live amongst them here in Britain as well has having contact with people in Gambia for the past 15 years in different levels of society both under the PPP and APRC. From the very poor I have seen some of those who were very poor when I first visited the Gambiaand illierate progress to enable them to support their families and educate their children who now have better prospects. I have witnessed those who were rich lose their weaith and some have maintained it. I have assisted the nation in many ways both from my own pocket, through business and advocacy fundamentally by listening to voices of the voiceless not to mention the time and personal sacrifices I have decaded over the years in developing projects through my consultancy without any funding all resources were recycled back into the Gambia and local community in the UK.
I also work with people on a daily basis from all over the world assisting them to find employment in the UK. So I listen to refugees Assylum seekers, unemployed everyday motivating them to find work.
As for political parties Gambians political system is a product of its history and it is still evolving the only people who can change that system are Gambians themselves no country has ever been given liberation or the right to self determination it is the people who need to be proactive to empower themselves to become the change they want to be! No one else is going to do it for them their future doesn't lay in handouts from tourists or sugar mamas or papas. It lays within themselves education and skills is what Gambia needs and the will to be productive to make things happen positively. By assisting one another instead of backbiting and undermining one another this is not just specifically aimed at Gambia it is a generic pattern of divide and rule which keeps people suspcious of each other, and distracted by preventing them from focusing and collectively working for common good.
As with many societies one cannot be fooled by false smiles and lick mouths society has many layers. The seen and unseen as well as the spoken and silent.As for the Gambian government just like any government it is not perfect and no doubt it has made plenty of mistakes along the way the same goes for the opposition.
Nyarikangbanna maybe you are unaware of the outcry of the slaying of school children in 2001 robustedly debated on the internet and my cry was heard amongst them. I deplore the fact that school children were murdered and maimed and it is indeed a scare on the pages of Gambian history. In my view a public inquiry was needed to address the issue and a thorough investigation be carried out. However my brother I do not have the power to authorise such proceedings if I were in power I would have conducted a thorough investigation into the 10th and 11th Student killings. Looking at the whole incident from start to finish and within the evidence brought forward to an inquiry would be greater clarification of what really happened. So yes without a proper investigation into the incidents there is of course bitterness; without looking into the wounds caused by this incident how can there be any proper reconcilliation without justice ? And the restoration of the dignity of youth cut down in their prime so that they will no longer be used for propoganda purposes for those who want to score cheap political points on every topic concerning Gambia. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
Peace
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Peace
Sister Omega |
Edited by - Sister Omega on 18 May 2007 01:33:33 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:56:42
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| Sister Omega,I was impressed by what you had written in your last posting,this has given me an insight into the way that you view things,however,(please don't take this amiss), I feel that you are so strong willed that you are sometimes unable to see the other point of view when is in conflict with your own thoughts and beliefs. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 01:56:42
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| Sister Omega,I was impressed by what you had written in your last posting,this has given me an insight into the way that you view things,however,(please don't take this amiss), I feel that you are so strong willed that you are sometimes unable to see the other point of view when is in conflict with your own thoughts and beliefs. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karl
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 09:12:49
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Oh yes, Sister Omega, justice has been done and these individual officers brought to books. In my view, opposed to what you said, they are not punished by the long arm of justice but rather the short arm. Because that long arm is bending all over the system. Corruption is there right at the top and many of these top brass are the very ones to be brought to books. What these men did is absolutely wrong but yet again, lets be open minded, the system is forcing them as they are following the footsteps of the top rankings who are not leading by good example. They are rich and powerful with very little consideration for those law income earners within the society including the average police officer.
No one is above the law thats right, we therefore need justice to operate from top to the bottom, so every one could be accountable for their deed in an open playing field. This will set a better future for generations to come. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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Karl
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 09:12:49
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Oh yes, Sister Omega, justice has been done and these individual officers brought to books. In my view, opposed to what you said, they are not punished by the long arm of justice but rather the short arm. Because that long arm is bending all over the system. Corruption is there right at the top and many of these top brass are the very ones to be brought to books. What these men did is absolutely wrong but yet again, lets be open minded, the system is forcing them as they are following the footsteps of the top rankings who are not leading by good example. They are rich and powerful with very little consideration for those law income earners within the society including the average police officer.
No one is above the law thats right, we therefore need justice to operate from top to the bottom, so every one could be accountable for their deed in an open playing field. This will set a better future for generations to come. |
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster" J Baldwin |
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jambo
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 12:59:37
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| see what happens when women are in charge this judge was not accepting any rubbish, she was strict, this was theft, not excuse and it was stealing from schools education budgets. i hope they have bread and wtaer for a long time. i have no sympathy at all. MORE WOMEN IN DISCUSSION MAKING POSITION, THAT IS THE ANSWER TO GAMBIAN PROBLEMS THEY WOULD MAKE SHORT WORK OF THIS ATTITUDE IN GAMBIA. |
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jambo
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Posted - 18 May 2007 : 12:59:37
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| see what happens when women are in charge this judge was not accepting any rubbish, she was strict, this was theft, not excuse and it was stealing from schools education budgets. i hope they have bread and wtaer for a long time. i have no sympathy at all. MORE WOMEN IN DISCUSSION MAKING POSITION, THAT IS THE ANSWER TO GAMBIAN PROBLEMS THEY WOULD MAKE SHORT WORK OF THIS ATTITUDE IN GAMBIA. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 15:31:34
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Nyarikangbanna maybe you are unaware of the outcry of the slaying of school children in 2001 robustedly debated on the internet and my cry was heard amongst them. I deplore the fact that school children were murdered and maimed and it is indeed a scare on the pages of Gambian history. In my view a public inquiry was needed to address the issue and a thorough investigation be carried out. However my brother I do not have the power to authorise such proceedings if I were in power I would have conducted a thorough investigation into the 10th and 11th Student killings. Looking at the whole incident from start to finish and within the evidence brought forward to an inquiry would be greater clarification of what really happened. So yes without a proper investigation into the incidents there is of course bitterness; without looking into the wounds caused by this incident how can there be any proper reconcilliation without justice ? And the restoration of the dignity of youth cut down in their prime so that they will no longer be used for propoganda purposes for those who want to score cheap political points on every topic concerning Gambia. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
Peace
A coroner's inquest was held which established the causes of death. GunShot wounds to be specific. Those findings were never judicially contested. This was followed by a commission of inquiry which also indicted prominent personalities within the security forces, some of whom were closed to the presidency. This includes the the Interior Minister at the time and the then Inspector- general of police. The commission specifically stated that these men were responsible for the killings. Prosecution was recommended but was never acted upon. So, what more investigation do you need?
The only reason why these police officers accused of stealing are brought to book is because the state is not complicent in their crimes. Crime in all its form deserves prosecution and this includes state sponsored crimes.
Anyway, I think you are better off checking your facts when posting next time, and if I may borrow your slogan, PEACE!
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 20 May 2007 16:49:50 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 15:31:34
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Nyarikangbanna maybe you are unaware of the outcry of the slaying of school children in 2001 robustedly debated on the internet and my cry was heard amongst them. I deplore the fact that school children were murdered and maimed and it is indeed a scare on the pages of Gambian history. In my view a public inquiry was needed to address the issue and a thorough investigation be carried out. However my brother I do not have the power to authorise such proceedings if I were in power I would have conducted a thorough investigation into the 10th and 11th Student killings. Looking at the whole incident from start to finish and within the evidence brought forward to an inquiry would be greater clarification of what really happened. So yes without a proper investigation into the incidents there is of course bitterness; without looking into the wounds caused by this incident how can there be any proper reconcilliation without justice ? And the restoration of the dignity of youth cut down in their prime so that they will no longer be used for propoganda purposes for those who want to score cheap political points on every topic concerning Gambia. May their souls rest in perfect peace.
Peace
A coroner's inquest was held which established the causes of death. GunShot wounds to be specific. Those findings were never judicially contested. This was followed by a commission of inquiry which also indicted prominent personalities within the security forces, some of whom were closed to the presidency. This includes the the Interior Minister at the time and the then Inspector- general of police. The commission specifically stated that these men were responsible for the killings. Prosecution was recommended but was never acted upon. So, what more investigation do you need?
The only reason why these police officers accused of stealing are brought to book is because the state is not complicent in their crimes. Crime in all its form deserves prosecution and this includes state sponsored crimes.
Anyway, I think you are better off checking your facts when posting next time, and if I may borrow your slogan, PEACE!
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 20 May 2007 16:49:50 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 May 2007 : 22:37:32
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Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others. Nyarikangbanna I'd also like to thank you for reminding us all that the Gambian Authorities aren't as incompetent as their critics would like us to continue to believe. The rioting which took place on those two days were opportunist because the Head of State was out of the country, and as was the case in so many coups students were manipulated by external forces to be on the frontline, so that those wanting to overthrow the incumbent government by declaring a state of emegency, and then send in foreign forces to overthrow the APRC government. Their plan failed and the youth unfortunately were the casualities then the army stepped in.
Now let's see; if the same senario was inenacted in any other country in the world who the paramilitary be given specific orders not to shoot to kill? The situation wouldn't of gotten to the state where the army had to be sent in to arrest the situation. I know for a fact there is no way in the UK or US that the police would hesitate to use live rounds to quell such unrest.
Nyarikangbanna you use the terminology of state sponsored crime I would use the terminology of geopolitical sponsored crime after all these riots didn't combust in a vacuum they were instigated by forces whose political motivation was to unseat the government by using the student as pawns in a political murky landscape, no doubt the instigators were sitting comfortably away from the mayhem on Gambian streets both in the Gambia and abroad.
So let's return to your initial comments " Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity. No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror."
We have assertained that a thorough investigation was carried out and the police were found not guilty the reasons being is that the students had overpowered them and taken their firearms and had them on the run because the police were following orders not to shoot.
Peace
Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 20 May 2007 22:39:51 |
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