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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20 May 2007 : 22:37:32
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Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others. Nyarikangbanna I'd also like to thank you for reminding us all that the Gambian Authorities aren't as incompetent as their critics would like us to continue to believe. The rioting which took place on those two days were opportunist because the Head of State was out of the country, and as was the case in so many coups students were manipulated by external forces to be on the frontline, so that those wanting to overthrow the incumbent government by declaring a state of emegency, and then send in foreign forces to overthrow the APRC government. Their plan failed and the youth unfortunately were the casualities then the army stepped in.
Now let's see; if the same senario was inenacted in any other country in the world who the paramilitary be given specific orders not to shoot to kill? The situation wouldn't of gotten to the state where the army had to be sent in to arrest the situation. I know for a fact there is no way in the UK or US that the police would hesitate to use live rounds to quell such unrest.
Nyarikangbanna you use the terminology of state sponsored crime I would use the terminology of geopolitical sponsored crime after all these riots didn't combust in a vacuum they were instigated by forces whose political motivation was to unseat the government by using the student as pawns in a political murky landscape, no doubt the instigators were sitting comfortably away from the mayhem on Gambian streets both in the Gambia and abroad.
So let's return to your initial comments " Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity. No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror."
We have assertained that a thorough investigation was carried out and the police were found not guilty the reasons being is that the students had overpowered them and taken their firearms and had them on the run because the police were following orders not to shoot.
Peace
Sister Omega
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:00:47
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So, you have chosen to believe the words of the vice president and not that of the Coroner's inquest headed by the master of the supreme Court and the subsequent Commission of Enquiry headed by the Chief Justice with representatives from the Bar and all the religious denominations in the country as commissioners. If all these allegations you have made are true why were they not brought to the attention of the Commission of Enquiry? Why didn't they judicially contest the findings of both the Coroner and the Commission? How about prosecution under the Public Order Act, against those who purportedly used the students for political reasons?
I attended almost all the proceedings. I witnessed both the Inspector-General of Police and the Minister of Interior gave evidence. Not even a shred of anything akin to your allegations was said by either men.
Please don't narrate cock and bull stories to me. I was a first hand witness to some of the events that took place between GTTI and Westfield.
You are entitled to your opinion anyway but it only makes you sound like a 'non-entity'. Am sure you are not.Or perhaps you are still ignorant of the facts or you are being misled.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:00:47
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So, you have chosen to believe the words of the vice president and not that of the Coroner's inquest headed by the master of the supreme Court and the subsequent Commission of Enquiry headed by the Chief Justice with representatives from the Bar and all the religious denominations in the country as commissioners. If all these allegations you have made are true why were they not brought to the attention of the Commission of Enquiry? Why didn't they judicially contest the findings of both the Coroner and the Commission? How about prosecution under the Public Order Act, against those who purportedly used the students for political reasons?
I attended almost all the proceedings. I witnessed both the Inspector-General of Police and the Minister of Interior gave evidence. Not even a shred of anything akin to your allegations was said by either men.
Please don't narrate cock and bull stories to me. I was a first hand witness to some of the events that took place between GTTI and Westfield.
You are entitled to your opinion anyway but it only makes you sound like a 'non-entity'. Am sure you are not.Or perhaps you are still ignorant of the facts or you are being misled.
Thanks anyway. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:10:12
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others.
Omega,
the above is far from being accurate. Not what the eyewitnesses recall.
The students were only only armed with pens, pencils, and books. Nothing could be more annoying than such utterance from that irresponsible misguided tyrannical crumbling administration. The truth will be out some day, though patience needed to see that day shine.
I rest my case.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 00:10:12
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others.
Omega,
the above is far from being accurate. Not what the eyewitnesses recall.
The students were only only armed with pens, pencils, and books. Nothing could be more annoying than such utterance from that irresponsible misguided tyrannical crumbling administration. The truth will be out some day, though patience needed to see that day shine.
I rest my case.
Dalton |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Alhassan
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 14:14:54
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others. Nyarikangbanna I'd also like to thank you for reminding us all that the Gambian Authorities aren't as incompetent as their critics would like us to continue to believe. The rioting which took place on those two days were opportunist because the Head of State was out of the country, and as was the case in so many coups students were manipulated by external forces to be on the frontline, so that those wanting to overthrow the incumbent government by declaring a state of emegency, and then send in foreign forces to overthrow the APRC government. Their plan failed and the youth unfortunately were the casualities then the army stepped in.
Now let's see; if the same senario was inenacted in any other country in the world who the paramilitary be given specific orders not to shoot to kill? The situation wouldn't of gotten to the state where the army had to be sent in to arrest the situation. I know for a fact there is no way in the UK or US that the police would hesitate to use live rounds to quell such unrest.
Nyarikangbanna you use the terminology of state sponsored crime I would use the terminology of geopolitical sponsored crime after all these riots didn't combust in a vacuum they were instigated by forces whose political motivation was to unseat the government by using the student as pawns in a political murky landscape, no doubt the instigators were sitting comfortably away from the mayhem on Gambian streets both in the Gambia and abroad.
So let's return to your initial comments " Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity. No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror."
We have assertained that a thorough investigation was carried out and the police were found not guilty the reasons being is that the students had overpowered them and taken their firearms and had them on the run because the police were following orders not to shoot.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega,
You are quite right in your statements. The problem is Gambians can refuse to see and accept facts. Their facts are the only facts. This I feel is very unreasonable. They refuse to see things from two angles. I am not saying that it was right to shoot, but knowing and understanding the underground movement of Gambians I want facts and not just mare accusations. Mostely those of us in the diaspora are not intrested in finding out facts when it relats to the Government at present.I hope we shall strive for more evidence and not just depend on here say or assumtion.We must see the world as a whole with Gambia at part of it. No hard feelings please |
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Alhassan
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 14:14:54
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Thanks for reminding me as I recall it was also mentioned that gunshots came from in the crowd from the students, and also that the paramilitary were ordered not to fire on the students , even when students had overpowered them taken their fire arms burnt down Churchill Fire Service and Serekunda Police station and others. Nyarikangbanna I'd also like to thank you for reminding us all that the Gambian Authorities aren't as incompetent as their critics would like us to continue to believe. The rioting which took place on those two days were opportunist because the Head of State was out of the country, and as was the case in so many coups students were manipulated by external forces to be on the frontline, so that those wanting to overthrow the incumbent government by declaring a state of emegency, and then send in foreign forces to overthrow the APRC government. Their plan failed and the youth unfortunately were the casualities then the army stepped in.
Now let's see; if the same senario was inenacted in any other country in the world who the paramilitary be given specific orders not to shoot to kill? The situation wouldn't of gotten to the state where the army had to be sent in to arrest the situation. I know for a fact there is no way in the UK or US that the police would hesitate to use live rounds to quell such unrest.
Nyarikangbanna you use the terminology of state sponsored crime I would use the terminology of geopolitical sponsored crime after all these riots didn't combust in a vacuum they were instigated by forces whose political motivation was to unseat the government by using the student as pawns in a political murky landscape, no doubt the instigators were sitting comfortably away from the mayhem on Gambian streets both in the Gambia and abroad.
So let's return to your initial comments " Yeah but those who butchered school children in broad daylight can walk the streets of Banjul with impunity. No wonder Banjul is now an outpost of terror."
We have assertained that a thorough investigation was carried out and the police were found not guilty the reasons being is that the students had overpowered them and taken their firearms and had them on the run because the police were following orders not to shoot.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister Omega,
You are quite right in your statements. The problem is Gambians can refuse to see and accept facts. Their facts are the only facts. This I feel is very unreasonable. They refuse to see things from two angles. I am not saying that it was right to shoot, but knowing and understanding the underground movement of Gambians I want facts and not just mare accusations. Mostely those of us in the diaspora are not intrested in finding out facts when it relats to the Government at present.I hope we shall strive for more evidence and not just depend on here say or assumtion.We must see the world as a whole with Gambia at part of it. No hard feelings please |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 15:51:59
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Alhassan, the facts were investigated and ascertained by two competent judicial authorities, in all of which the state was adequately represented through the Inspector-General of Police [Rex King] and the Minister of Interior [Ousman Badjie]. Their reports were read over the Radio and TV by the then Attorney-General and former convict Pap Cheyassin Seck, and subsequently reproduced by all the media outlets in the Gambia. So, what I said here are not my facts. They were judicially established and therefore authoritative and official.
May I also remind you that I was not a diasporian at the time of the incident. I was caught in the middle of the whole thing as it unfolds. I managed to reach home and gave sanctuary to students running for their lives. So, I am not radio Kankang Ok.
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Thanks for your contribution anyway.
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 21 May 2007 15:56:18 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 15:51:59
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Alhassan, the facts were investigated and ascertained by two competent judicial authorities, in all of which the state was adequately represented through the Inspector-General of Police [Rex King] and the Minister of Interior [Ousman Badjie]. Their reports were read over the Radio and TV by the then Attorney-General and former convict Pap Cheyassin Seck, and subsequently reproduced by all the media outlets in the Gambia. So, what I said here are not my facts. They were judicially established and therefore authoritative and official.
May I also remind you that I was not a diasporian at the time of the incident. I was caught in the middle of the whole thing as it unfolds. I managed to reach home and gave sanctuary to students running for their lives. So, I am not radio Kankang Ok.
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Thanks for your contribution anyway.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 21 May 2007 15:56:18 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 16:08:11
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Alhassan, the facts were investigated and ascertained by two competent judicial authorities, in all of which the state was adequately represented through the Inspector-General of Police [Rex King] and the Minister of Interior [Ousman Badjie]. Their reports were read over the Radio and TV by the then Attorney-General and former convict Pap Cheyassin Seck, and subsequently reproduced by all the media outlets in the Gambia. So, what I said here are not my facts. They were judicially established and therefore authoritative and official.
May I also remind you that I was not a diasporian at the time of the incident. I was caught in the middle of the whole thing as it unfolds. I managed to reach home and gave sanctuary to students running for their lives. So, I am not radio Kankang Ok.
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Thanks for your contribution anyway.
Bro,
Now that you explain I understand you very well. I just speak of general experience. Surely not all in the diaspora has the same view.
I did not mean to offend indiviaduals.
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Alhassan
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 16:08:11
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Alhassan, the facts were investigated and ascertained by two competent judicial authorities, in all of which the state was adequately represented through the Inspector-General of Police [Rex King] and the Minister of Interior [Ousman Badjie]. Their reports were read over the Radio and TV by the then Attorney-General and former convict Pap Cheyassin Seck, and subsequently reproduced by all the media outlets in the Gambia. So, what I said here are not my facts. They were judicially established and therefore authoritative and official.
May I also remind you that I was not a diasporian at the time of the incident. I was caught in the middle of the whole thing as it unfolds. I managed to reach home and gave sanctuary to students running for their lives. So, I am not radio Kankang Ok.
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Thanks for your contribution anyway.
Bro,
Now that you explain I understand you very well. I just speak of general experience. Surely not all in the diaspora has the same view.
I did not mean to offend indiviaduals.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 22:15:47
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Daffeh,
Rest your self. I was in my first year at the UOTG campussed at the GTTI then. To play a fool of the matter is in itself an insane touch on the healing wounds, and a century's joke. But what happened on the fateful day can be best narrated by those that took part or witnessed it with their own eyes. While the cronoer's report stated clearly what happened, but the same tyrannical administration turned around and twisted the facts.
If the whooping of innocent students with belts, canes, gun butts, wires at GTTI were to be truly revealed, apart from the massacre at St. Augustine, then all these chaffs only will float in air. 14 students, 14 students, all gone. How come no soldier died?
There is no 'iota of truth' that the students had any guns. The innocent students that died as matyrs (Rest in Peace) on that day died in their uniforms (white shirts and blue/black pants), while carrying their books, pencils, pens, and calculators.
Now, to support the notion that the students were armed is in itself lacking common sense and knowledge of Gambian students. But if you didn't loose a relative or comrade, you probably just won't feel the pain. One doesn't have to be a friend or relative even. The feeling of those oozing necks, limbs, heads and hands; laying rough on the grounds, beating their legs and hands in a horrible farewell to this world, in a manner not deserved; is just one of the reflections that tears my intestines.
All we hope for one day is justice, that the people who committed the 'murders' be brought before the book. If at all , justice acquits them, then i ask for no more. As long as justice is seen to be done, not curtain justice.
And i warn that some of these topics are very sensitive, and people should be careful of the 'truths' and the 'no-truths' in it. One should avoid mockery and arrogance in it. As the saying goes who feels it knows it well. I still talk to some in their crutches, glasses, wheel chairs and they will bit the **** out of anyone who tells them otherwise.
Note: What came to my mind when i heard or read that students were armed, and a shot came from the student mob, is that Daba Marena and four others were alleged to have had an accident while being transported from a more secured prison (mile two) to a less secured prison (Janjangbureh). Where are those that transported them? Where did the accident take place? Where is the gele-gele that had the accident? Where are they? Because no one had from them since then? Will we be so blinded from the truth that we cannot reason with their track records? If we can answer the above questions, then we are with the perfect conclusion on the framing of innocent students.
Rest it!
Dalton.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Edited by - Dalton1 on 21 May 2007 22:20:28 |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 22:15:47
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
I hope you recognise that this is not a subject to spin about. This is about the ruthless, unlawful and squalid destruction of innocent lives.
Daffeh,
Rest your self. I was in my first year at the UOTG campussed at the GTTI then. To play a fool of the matter is in itself an insane touch on the healing wounds, and a century's joke. But what happened on the fateful day can be best narrated by those that took part or witnessed it with their own eyes. While the cronoer's report stated clearly what happened, but the same tyrannical administration turned around and twisted the facts.
If the whooping of innocent students with belts, canes, gun butts, wires at GTTI were to be truly revealed, apart from the massacre at St. Augustine, then all these chaffs only will float in air. 14 students, 14 students, all gone. How come no soldier died?
There is no 'iota of truth' that the students had any guns. The innocent students that died as matyrs (Rest in Peace) on that day died in their uniforms (white shirts and blue/black pants), while carrying their books, pencils, pens, and calculators.
Now, to support the notion that the students were armed is in itself lacking common sense and knowledge of Gambian students. But if you didn't loose a relative or comrade, you probably just won't feel the pain. One doesn't have to be a friend or relative even. The feeling of those oozing necks, limbs, heads and hands; laying rough on the grounds, beating their legs and hands in a horrible farewell to this world, in a manner not deserved; is just one of the reflections that tears my intestines.
All we hope for one day is justice, that the people who committed the 'murders' be brought before the book. If at all , justice acquits them, then i ask for no more. As long as justice is seen to be done, not curtain justice.
And i warn that some of these topics are very sensitive, and people should be careful of the 'truths' and the 'no-truths' in it. One should avoid mockery and arrogance in it. As the saying goes who feels it knows it well. I still talk to some in their crutches, glasses, wheel chairs and they will bit the **** out of anyone who tells them otherwise.
Note: What came to my mind when i heard or read that students were armed, and a shot came from the student mob, is that Daba Marena and four others were alleged to have had an accident while being transported from a more secured prison (mile two) to a less secured prison (Janjangbureh). Where are those that transported them? Where did the accident take place? Where is the gele-gele that had the accident? Where are they? Because no one had from them since then? Will we be so blinded from the truth that we cannot reason with their track records? If we can answer the above questions, then we are with the perfect conclusion on the framing of innocent students.
Rest it!
Dalton.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2007 : 23:09:38
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Dalton you don't have the monopoly on the truth there are Gambians who indeed witnessed the event as it unfolded and these are the above what I mentioned. Now you can spin as much as you like but it doesn't prevent the other side of the story coming out no matter how unpalitable it maybe in certain circles.
Nyarikangbanna let's keep it real for anyone who has been caught up in a riot situation events escalate out of control really quickly, you go in survival mode assisting who you can, if you can to get to safety out of the mayhem. Meanwhile missiles are flying over your head being pelted with bottles, cans, places are being torched, people are being assaulted etc. How any individual actually know what's going on unlitaterally whilst a riot is progress is an impossibility . All that is known is your side of the story, and when stories are pieced together you can get the whole picture. Then your able to clarify and make sense of the whole situation.
I speak from being caught up in two riots one in New York in 1979 at Central Park Carnival and the other in 1987 at Notting Hill Carnival in Britain. In the latter incident 300 armed police and holding riot shields as hails of bottles were being pelleted from every direction by youth as I and my friends were trying to pack our book stall. Now even though for those 15 minutes or so we managed to get away from the area. It was virtually impossible to know who actually instigated the riot? Who provoked who? Who throw the first bottle and what actually lay behind the riot? Until the incident was over and the bigger picture was pieced together and came into focus.Which were issues of Social Exclusion of the African Diaspora.
Now we have the same situation today in Britain being vented out in different ways affecting different ethnic groups the underlying problem is the same.
Dalton we know students were killed and the point I am making is a lot of times in African history children are placed on the frontline to fight adults battles who are too cowdice to go out to do their own bidding. Without focusing on the deceased in this case. The principle of having children on the frontline as decoys is not a new concept in gurriella warefare. We just have to look at the Sub region ie Liberia and Serria Leone and elsewhere; how innocent children were used to carry out barbarity of depraved and power hungry leaders. Our Creator is merciful and in his wisdom he didn't allow Gambia to serve the same fate.
In regards to sensationalist tabloid newspapers obviously there is a market for political lightweights but there is also a gap in the market for investigationalist journalism. Dalton tell both sides of the story those of all the actors within the theatre of the riot on those days i.e. male and female students, friends, relatives, police officers, firemen, eyewitnesses, hospital staff, inquest and inquiry reports; army, reporters by-standers then the bigger picture will be pieced together and put within a realistic perspective. it's called transaprency a word often used but seldom understood.
Peace
Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 21 May 2007 23:26:04 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 May 2007 : 23:09:38
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Dalton you don't have the monopoly on the truth there are Gambians who indeed witnessed the event as it unfolded and these are the above what I mentioned. Now you can spin as much as you like but it doesn't prevent the other side of the story coming out no matter how unpalitable it maybe in certain circles.
Nyarikangbanna let's keep it real for anyone who has been caught up in a riot situation events escalate out of control really quickly, you go in survival mode assisting who you can, if you can to get to safety out of the mayhem. Meanwhile missiles are flying over your head being pelted with bottles, cans, places are being torched, people are being assaulted etc. How any individual actually know what's going on unlitaterally whilst a riot is progress is an impossibility . All that is known is your side of the story, and when stories are pieced together you can get the whole picture. Then your able to clarify and make sense of the whole situation.
I speak from being caught up in two riots one in New York in 1979 at Central Park Carnival and the other in 1987 at Notting Hill Carnival in Britain. In the latter incident 300 armed police and holding riot shields as hails of bottles were being pelleted from every direction by youth as I and my friends were trying to pack our book stall. Now even though for those 15 minutes or so we managed to get away from the area. It was virtually impossible to know who actually instigated the riot? Who provoked who? Who throw the first bottle and what actually lay behind the riot? Until the incident was over and the bigger picture was pieced together and came into focus.Which were issues of Social Exclusion of the African Diaspora.
Now we have the same situation today in Britain being vented out in different ways affecting different ethnic groups the underlying problem is the same.
Dalton we know students were killed and the point I am making is a lot of times in African history children are placed on the frontline to fight adults battles who are too cowdice to go out to do their own bidding. Without focusing on the deceased in this case. The principle of having children on the frontline as decoys is not a new concept in gurriella warefare. We just have to look at the Sub region ie Liberia and Serria Leone and elsewhere; how innocent children were used to carry out barbarity of depraved and power hungry leaders. Our Creator is merciful and in his wisdom he didn't allow Gambia to serve the same fate.
In regards to sensationalist tabloid newspapers obviously there is a market for political lightweights but there is also a gap in the market for investigationalist journalism. Dalton tell both sides of the story those of all the actors within the theatre of the riot on those days i.e. male and female students, friends, relatives, police officers, firemen, eyewitnesses, hospital staff, inquest and inquiry reports; army, reporters by-standers then the bigger picture will be pieced together and put within a realistic perspective. it's called transaprency a word often used but seldom understood.
Peace
Sister Omega
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